• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:40
CEST 19:40
KST 02:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On8Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists4Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High15
Community News
PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition(?)105.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)74$2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 151Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada11Weekly Cups (Sept 22-28): MaxPax double, Zerg wins, PTR12
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version) PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition(?) ZvT - Army Composition - Slow Lings + Fast Banes Stellar Fest: StarCraft II returns to Canada Had to smile :)
Tourneys
$2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 15 Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LANified! 37: Groundswell, BYOC LAN, Nov 28-30 2025 Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight
Brood War
General
RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site Question regarding recent ASL Bisu vs Larva game Thoughts on rarely used units [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4 [ASL20] Ro8 Day 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Current Meta I am doing this better than progamers do. Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Liquipedia App: Now Covering SC2 and Brood War!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts The Automated Ban List BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final
Blogs
Mental Health In Esports: Wo…
TrAiDoS
[AI] Sorry, Chill, My Bad :…
Peanutsc
Try to reverse getting fired …
Garnet
[ASL20] Players bad at pi…
pullarius1
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1908 users

[GSL] S3 Grand Finals - Page 189

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 187 188 189 190 191 231 Next
Ajunta
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany522 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 11:13:00
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3761
On December 18 2010 20:11 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Does anyone know what was the first song that was played after game 4?


KARA - Jumping ... I think, can't remember if it was after game 3 or 4
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3762
On December 18 2010 20:10 Holgerius wrote:
Attacking the pylon is the worst thing you could possibly do, but I'm not convinced that killing the gates is. It was great in BW. Don't know enough about SC2 to say whether or not it really works in SC2 though.


The correct way to handle it is to have good bunker placement imo.
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3763
What song was that just playing?
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3764
Honestly, I doubt that 95% of the people posting comments about Rain's play have any clue what is going on in his head.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rain encountered this exact type of proxy many times and successfully defended it with the gas+tech lab build he did. It is very plausible that he has encountered something like 8 pylon 9 gateway, defended it best with the gas+tech lab, and decided to do this. However, as was mentioned earlier in the thread, MC went 7 pylon 8 gateway, which could potentially turn a good response by Rain into a disaster. Pretty weird timing. I'd be surprised if any of you have ever played against that before, or even thought that could be a good idea.

Basically, you can say "getting gas is a bad response" all you want, but unless you've actually tested various builds against top level players you're basically just making random ass guesses.
www.infinityseven.net
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3765
On December 18 2010 20:11 Everlong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:11 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:08 Lann555 wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:06 legaton wrote:
I will be lol'ing at the future Recap. Rain will get a C+ for going out 4 - 1 against MC with at least two good long games, when Jinro got a B for rolling over and dying. At least, Rain put up a fight. As a side note, MC's game looks a little less solid than on the semis with MarineKing, some of the B.O. were kind of strange.


Ye. Jinro lost on steppes to just a few zealots running in from a single proxy gate if I recall correctly. People here are just insanely biased against Rain for some reason, despite him beating Hongun, NexGenius and Nestea and now putting up a decent fight against the best PvT'er in the business.


But he is obviously still a total n00b :/


I don`t understand the logic either. Jinro good? but Rain bad? Rain atleast puts up more of a fight and not get 4-0`d in 30 minutes.


Cos of 20 minute breaks.. :D
That and MC playing terrible openings and still coming out decent
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3766
On December 18 2010 20:07 iEchoic wrote:
Okay, here's the actual best counter to this strat:

1) As soon as it's scouted, build your rax behind your mineral line.
2) Build bunker in the direct center of your mineral line.
3) Bunker now covers all your scvs, your rax, and your CC.

Don't listen to noobs saying to attack the pylon/gates with your workers, tasteless and artosis know what they're talking about.


What you suggest might work, but it's still very difficult when Protoss is producing Zealots at the same rate that you are producing marines, I don't know if you're actually playing the game or just watch a lot and blindly accept everything that Tasteless and Artosis say as the undeniable truth.

I for one have faced proxy gate cheese on SoW multiple times in ladder, though maybe not this particular one that MC was doing, and each and everytime I defended it comfortably by sending 3-4 SCVs to kill of the pylon. Believe me or not, it does work.
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
dala
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden477 Posts
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3767
On December 18 2010 20:11 HollowLord wrote:
Clearly this is another case of GOM rigging the matches to favor SlayerS_BoxeR


LOL
iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 11:14:41
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3768
On December 18 2010 20:11 Two_DoWn wrote:
dear lord. this thread needs to die. bnet forums are better than this.


Yeah, this is dumb. Tasteless and Artosis are obviously so tired of hearing dumb people that they actually took a full minute going out of their way to explain to you that attacking buildings with scvs is not a good idea but I come to this thread and half the posts are saying he should have attacked with his SCVs. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu


On December 18 2010 20:12 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:07 iEchoic wrote:
Okay, here's the actual best counter to this strat:

1) As soon as it's scouted, build your rax behind your mineral line.
2) Build bunker in the direct center of your mineral line.
3) Bunker now covers all your scvs, your rax, and your CC.

Don't listen to noobs saying to attack the pylon/gates with your workers, tasteless and artosis know what they're talking about.


What you suggest might work, but it's still very difficult when Protoss is producing Zealots at the same rate that you are producing marines, I don't know if you're actually playing the game or just watch a lot and blindly accept everything that Tasteless and Artosis say as the undeniable truth


I spent many hours perfecting countering this nearer the release of the game. It works. Also, you should 2rax marine instead of getting gas.
vileEchoic -- clanvile.com
LanEvoIII
Profile Joined December 2010
Philippines32 Posts
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3769
On December 18 2010 20:11 HollowLord wrote:
Clearly this is another case of GOM rigging the matches to favor SlayerS_BoxeR


This made my day
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3770
Only thing Rain really fucked up was bunker placement which cost him the game. You do actually need to get a marauder out especially vs a player with MC's micro. He will inevitably follow up with a stalker which can outmicro marines or shoot SCV from outside bunker range. You gotte get that rauder out to deal with it
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3771
On December 18 2010 20:11 applejuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:09 Reminiscence wrote:
Even a competent diamond player would have fended off that cheese and transitted rather easily but rain just had to do everything wrong.


So, uh, that makes MC bad as well, by default? I mean, he's the one that did the strat that could have been beaten by the low level diamond player you are talking about?



I'm pretty sure he wasn't thinking that the one gate would win him the game. He prolly just wanted to get an advantage and had a transition planned.
war_machine42
Profile Joined November 2010
United States88 Posts
December 18 2010 11:12 GMT
#3772
What I'm entertained by is the cries to pull SCVs. The commentary just explained why this isn't possible, and the numbers back it up. If SCVs are pulled, Terran loses economy, and Protoss is already good for macro without Terran having to deal with the cheese. And at this level, Protoss isn't just whelping the cheese if he cancels the gate/looses the cheese at that point because it is a net gain for toss and Terran will MOST LIKELY eventually lose.
Day[9], to Jinro: "go away i'm busy"
theBusiness
Profile Joined August 2010
United States13 Posts
December 18 2010 11:13 GMT
#3773
judging by the comments the english stream obs'ing must be pretty bad, everyone is asking why he didn't send an scv to the pylon, but they should that on the korean stream and then mc brought a probe to kill the scv
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
December 18 2010 11:13 GMT
#3774
On December 18 2010 20:11 Banginglife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:10 hidiliho wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:09 robin19999 wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:07 hidiliho wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:06 traca wrote:
MC wasn't all in just saying


True... I would call that a Maka Gate lol


It would be a make gate if the gate was in the mineral line



Wouldn't that be a Maynard gate

You mean manner gate lol.....


NOPE, Maynard Gate. If you don't get the reference, don't bother. Its not worth your time to look it up. But it is definitely a Maynard gate.
Pinith
Profile Joined September 2010
651 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 11:14:23
December 18 2010 11:13 GMT
#3775
I agree with the others saying MC's cheese is just as bad as Rain's cheese earlier. The only difference I see is that MC mixes in all-in builds with macro games. Just looking at the one game a marine/scv all-in is just as cheesy as proxy gate. Rain does the same thing vs toss, mixing up his builds. He probably just isn't as confident with non-cheese builds against zerg; which makes sense since most zerg players are confident against any non-cheese terran build

I'm also curious about how Rain could have actually stopped it. 6 range from a bunker isn't enough to cover everything (although putting it in the mineral line would have been a bit better coverage), and regenerating shields means you can back out of bunker range repeatedly. Against MC's micro it seem really hard to stop in time unless you preemptively make an early depot/rax

My thoughts are maybe use scvs earlier to block/stall the gateway drop (2-3 might have worked?), and maybe micro or use auto-repair to keep scvs topped off
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
December 18 2010 11:13 GMT
#3776
On December 18 2010 20:03 ArtOfRandom wrote:
God im sick of people who watch the game more than they play it,

This should sum up this thread.
Thank you a billion times for this.
More playing, less fucking whining
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
December 18 2010 11:13 GMT
#3777
these games are pretty bad :/ honestly props to jinro for being one of the few players delivering entertaining games this season. Im kinda worried with the direction the game is headed atm, it seems the games get shorter on average from season to season. Jinro was a noteable exception to that trend and we know what happened to him against MC...
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
December 18 2010 11:13 GMT
#3778
On December 18 2010 20:12 Ninja4ever. wrote:
That's so sad. I would have never ever wanted to hurt myself reading TL's comments like 6 months ago, even though sometimes comments on live reports were so bad.
But today, with all those non-players pros that think they figured the game out who are really getting on my nerves, I'll probably have to stop reading those kind of threads just in order to preserve my sanity.


what is that icon? it's not and Archon

wait, is it Dark Archon?

TELL ME!
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Crashburn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States476 Posts
December 18 2010 11:13 GMT
#3779
On December 18 2010 20:12 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:11 Everlong wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:11 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:08 Lann555 wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:06 legaton wrote:
I will be lol'ing at the future Recap. Rain will get a C+ for going out 4 - 1 against MC with at least two good long games, when Jinro got a B for rolling over and dying. At least, Rain put up a fight. As a side note, MC's game looks a little less solid than on the semis with MarineKing, some of the B.O. were kind of strange.


Ye. Jinro lost on steppes to just a few zealots running in from a single proxy gate if I recall correctly. People here are just insanely biased against Rain for some reason, despite him beating Hongun, NexGenius and Nestea and now putting up a decent fight against the best PvT'er in the business.


But he is obviously still a total n00b :/


I don`t understand the logic either. Jinro good? but Rain bad? Rain atleast puts up more of a fight and not get 4-0`d in 30 minutes.


Cos of 20 minute breaks.. :D
That and MC playing terrible openings and still coming out decent


Are those buttered waffles next to your name? mmmmmmmmm
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
December 18 2010 11:13 GMT
#3780
On December 18 2010 20:11 Everlong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 20:11 mango_destroyer wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:08 Lann555 wrote:
On December 18 2010 20:06 legaton wrote:
I will be lol'ing at the future Recap. Rain will get a C+ for going out 4 - 1 against MC with at least two good long games, when Jinro got a B for rolling over and dying. At least, Rain put up a fight. As a side note, MC's game looks a little less solid than on the semis with MarineKing, some of the B.O. were kind of strange.


Ye. Jinro lost on steppes to just a few zealots running in from a single proxy gate if I recall correctly. People here are just insanely biased against Rain for some reason, despite him beating Hongun, NexGenius and Nestea and now putting up a decent fight against the best PvT'er in the business.


But he is obviously still a total n00b :/


I don`t understand the logic either. Jinro good? but Rain bad? Rain atleast puts up more of a fight and not get 4-0`d in 30 minutes.


Cos of 20 minute breaks.. :D


bullshit g2 is as long as 4 games in that rape combine
Prev 1 187 188 189 190 191 231 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Online Event
17:00
Stellar Fest L4S: Europe
PiGStarcraft518
TKL 237
SteadfastSC170
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft518
Reynor 353
TKL 237
SteadfastSC 170
Livibee 67
MindelVK 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 22492
Bisu 3075
Calm 2880
Horang2 1149
Light 542
Mini 458
Soma 421
ZerO 372
Stork 339
Snow 261
[ Show more ]
BeSt 180
firebathero 156
Rush 149
Hyun 130
EffOrt 122
Leta 105
Dewaltoss 96
ggaemo 69
Sharp 66
BRAT_OK 62
sorry 62
Backho 37
Shine 15
scan(afreeca) 12
Terrorterran 12
ivOry 11
Bale 7
Dota 2
Gorgc6571
qojqva4053
Fuzer 182
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1624
fl0m1310
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor34
Other Games
FrodaN3304
Beastyqt654
KnowMe393
Hui .291
ArmadaUGS157
QueenE97
C9.Mang060
Trikslyr60
XaKoH 54
NeuroSwarm39
ZerO(Twitch)13
ToD0
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• OhrlRock 1
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• intothetv
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• 3DClanTV 30
• HerbMon 27
• FirePhoenix12
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3531
• WagamamaTV603
• Ler44
League of Legends
• Nemesis4249
• Jankos1642
• TFBlade818
Other Games
• imaqtpie496
• Shiphtur332
Upcoming Events
Online Event
17h 20m
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d
Safe House 2
1d
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 16h
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
Dewalt vs kogeT
JDConan vs Tarson
RaNgeD vs DragOn
StRyKeR vs Bonyth
Aeternum vs Hejek
Replay Cast
2 days
Map Test Tournament
3 days
Map Test Tournament
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Map Test Tournament
5 days
[ Show More ]
Map Test Tournament
6 days
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
Maestros of the Game
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Acropolis #4 - TS2
EC S1
ESL Pro League S22
Frag Blocktober 2025
Urban Riga Open #1
FERJEE Rush 2025
Birch Cup 2025
DraculaN #2
LanDaLan #3
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
WardiTV TLMC #15
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.