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AlgeriaT
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On November 16 2010 19:45 estee wrote: Update: Foxer replied: I'll change my ID to 김가연 Kim Ga Yeon. lmao Is that his real name or does it mean anything? | ||
Pleiades
United States472 Posts
On November 16 2010 19:58 AlgeriaT wrote: Is that his real name or does it mean anything? Jinro said it's the real Boxer's girlfriend's name. | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On November 16 2010 19:52 motbob wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2010 18:45 EGalex wrote: Hey Everyone, This is my first post on TL - long time reader, though (I don't usually participate on forums). For those of you who don't know me (probably, erm, every one of you), I'm the owner of Evil Geniuses... for those of you who watched the EG Masters' Cup stream so brilliantly produced by EG.SirScoots, I was "That Guy Behind The Broadcast Desk Who Didn't Want To Be On Cam." I've been involved in pro gaming for a long time now, and I decided to register my account on TL just now because I all of a sudden find this thread very problematic. As everyone here is probably aware, TL is a juggernaut SC entity in eSports, and "wears two hats," so to say, as both a professional team and a coverage website. Some would argue that its influence as a coverage website and community stretches further than the influence of its pro players. In any case, obviously the two identities are intertwined and overlap to a certain extent. Moving on (finally) to my point: as a very important, influential coverage hub focusing on what is currently pro gaming's most prevalent community, you can't be censoring players' names. I don't want to jump the gun and start waving around the "journalistic integrity" card prematurely, but I think it's pretty significant. Sure, TL isn't ESPN (yet), and sure, this is a forum-embedded community news piece updated by a very dedicated TL community member (for which I am grateful), but those - to me - are no excuse for throwing high standards of unbiased journalism to the side. It doesn't matter whether this is a forum post or a front-page news piece: you can't be censoring players' names or clan names just because they beat a community favorite. Unfortunately, this pattern isn't necessarily restricted to this particular thread. There is a very minor (albeit certainly noticeable) trend on TL of posters only ensuring that Liquid pro players have their clan name mentioned - I.E. HuK is always referred to in TL coverage as Liquid`HuK, whereas SeleCt, for example, has always been just "SeleCt" and never "Dignitas.SeleCt" (at least as far as I've seen). This seems to vary based on the player and the community's familiarity with said player - IdrA, for example, is always referred to be the TL coverage folks as "EGIdrA" (we at EG are thankful for this) - but it is certainly a consistent trend. TL players are always referred to as TL players, but players from other pro teams don't necessarily always have their team name attached to their alias. This is, of course, certainly *not* a case of intentional bias, and I'm not insinuating that it is in any way (I recently met Nazgul and several other TL executives at Blizzcon, and they held themselves with the utmost integrity and professionalism). At the end of the day, like many in this thread have pointed out, this is TL's home territory, and those covering competitions here ensure, first and foremost, that they point out what's going on with TL pro players. However, with that being said, sometimes intent is irrelevant (or close to it) when discussing matters of this matter - I.E., is neglecting to put in the care/effort to refer to SeleCt (for example) as Dignitas.SeleCt really any better than intentionally leaving out the team name? Maybe marginally better... but maybe not at all. To summarize this already too-long post, I think it's really important for everyone in this community to remember that TL, while still a team website, is definitively the SC2 coverage hub of the English-speaking world. And any kind of journalistic bias here, whether intentional or unintentional, whether major or extremely minor (as minor as censoring a player's name because he beat HuK today), whether coming from an official TL coverage staff member or a dedicated community member not officially affiliated with TL, is extremely, extremely problematic. With this website getting the amount of traffic and attention that it does get (and should get), the coverage here needs to be held to high standards of journalistic integrity. And at the end of the day, sure, this is TL's home base, and favoring TL's pro players in coverage posts - if it is desired to do so - may be TL's right... but doing something just because you have the power to ("just because you can") is really a very poor justification for doing anything. (Thanks to those of you who actually read all of this) -A Edit: In the time it took me to write all of this, the censorship was removed. I think the points are still valid, though ![]() Since I sort of... am... GSL3 coverage by virtue of all the thread I've made, I guess I need to respond to this. tl;dr, I am not staff. But if you want a fuller explanation of my actions, please continue reading. I always make an effort to list a player under the name by which he is most well known. You brought up the example of Select. If you could please draw your attention to the most current US battle.net rankings, you would see that SeleCT, as recently as one week ago, simply has the ID "SeleCT." He does not have a clan tag attached. He has not had one, in fact, since he first appeared on the scene. He is best known as, simply, SeleCT. In fact, the vast majority of SC2 progamers have been known simply by their base name. Drewbie, CatZ, and SLush, though they currently wear the ROOT tag on battle.net, did not do so before the name change. Nor did iNcontroL, nor did Inka. (This information, by the way, can be easily confirmed with google searches consisting of sc2ranks and the name of the progamer in question.) These gamers have played without a clan tag in every single SC2 event that they entered before the name change. When we, as spectators, moused over these players' names in replays of our favorite gosus, we did not see a clan tag. This was also true of Liquid players like Huk, who joined Liquid late and only switched their name after the name change. But the reason why there seems to be a double standard is that there has been enormous hoopla on this website over each new player who joins Liquid. "RET IS NOW LIQUID`RET" was, I think, part of the lead of the news article on Ret's inclusion into Liquid. His name on TL was changed, and in formal announcements afterwards, TL staff were sure to use his full name, clan tag and all (for example, "TLAF-Liquid`HuK will play ViBE at 21:00 EDT in the Ro16 of the EG Master's tournament.") This clear sense of pride in the fact that members of Liquid belong to Liquid trickles down to the rest of the populace. I am not staff. This is an important point. My actions do not reflect the feelings of the administration of this website. I am just a guy updating an LR thread... for 8 hours straight... two nights in a row. So if I get a visceral thrill from adding the Liquid` tag in front of Ret's name for the reasons explained above (and I do!), but I don't get that same thrill from adding clan tags to other players, then I will only add the tags for Liquid. That's just the way it is. I am just a guy updating a thread. I am not a journalist. The OP of this thread is not a news story. If I were a writer for TL and were writing a GSL preview article for the Featured News section, then I would have to strictly adhere to basic principles of journalistic integrity. But in this case, I bent those principles in the name of making a joke (by censoring Aya's name). I think the keypoint is that you're not staff and that EGalex shouldn't be making that kind of statement in this thread. Rather, he should do it in a thread that is created/moderated actively by staff members in case there is bias there... | ||
dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On November 16 2010 19:58 AlgeriaT wrote: Is that his real name or does it mean anything? That's SlayerSBoxeR's girlfriend's name (the person who asked Foxer). He was joking (I hope). | ||
estee
Korea (South)449 Posts
On November 16 2010 19:58 AlgeriaT wrote: Is that his real name or does it mean anything? Kim Ga Yeon is The Emperor's girlfriend's name but they are joking around ![]() | ||
Sacro
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
On November 16 2010 19:33 WeeKeong wrote: It's scrap against terran, not zerg. Sad that he didn't qualify, but he chose to mass collosi even though they could be sniped from 9 range vikings in space that can't be attacked by stalkers. nope, scrap as protoss is garbage whether they are zerg or terran. Some would argue that it even favors terran more than zerg (artosis being one of those). | ||
zimz
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
![]() congrats Jinro - see you wandering around this LR thread so just a massive hell ye fistpump for you ![]() | ||
SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
On November 16 2010 19:56 zivac wrote: ![]() ![]() a Protoss winning the whole thing would make me so happy ![]() | ||
tyrless
United States485 Posts
On November 16 2010 19:56 Avius wrote: So to end this debate: motbob is not staff, get off his back, he makes trillions on EVE Online and does an amazing job covering this event. Thanks for all the hard work you put into it. Agreed, thanks to motbob a lot of us were able to enjoy SC2 tonight without seeing a single frame of gameplay. If I have to choose between awesome coverage and no sense of humor, I'll take the coverage, because this is Teamliquid of which Huk is a player for, so not only was the humor welcomed but also appropriate imo. | ||
EliteReplay
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Solav
Norway12 Posts
Anyone got a link? | ||
gozima
Canada602 Posts
I would have added IdrA, but I view him as a Korean. | ||
snarl
Canada812 Posts
On November 16 2010 20:00 zimz wrote: sounds like foxer wants to steal real boxers identity and girlfriend to. that is going to far. that's the idea behind the joke -.- | ||
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