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Sideburn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
November 16 2010 10:42 GMT
#4641
On November 16 2010 19:42 bkrow wrote:
this was probably mentioned 100 pages ago; but how was HuK knocked out - it was referred to as some form of cheese play??

sorry for dwelling on the past; id appreciate any form of reply?


In the third game there were SO MANY VIKINGS (according to Artosis) that took out his collosi.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 16 2010 10:43 GMT
#4642
Ok so he seems to be a solid enough player who was able to take a game off of one of the top protoss's in the world.

Seems reasonable that he could beat huk 2-1 in what hsa been reported to be a close series.

We all know that Huk is one of the most dedicated players when it comes to grinding out games and practicing there is, especially among the foreign community. I would not be shocked to see him play 14-16 hours a day to prepare for the next phase. And since he's only had a week to practice with oGsTL and on the korean server, I think we will all be in for a big surprise later on.
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adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
November 16 2010 10:43 GMT
#4643
Yeah as much as people may like his Foxer name, who really wants to be known as an imitation or a fake. People need to start calling him Optimus
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
November 16 2010 10:43 GMT
#4644
no it was not cheese. it was just a 2 base protoss with 5 colossus against ( i assume logically) bioballs + vikings.

the opponent had too many vikings and huk lost that battle.everythign then went downhill from there.

all assumed/taken from artosis' twitter
Madder
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia427 Posts
November 16 2010 10:43 GMT
#4645
On November 16 2010 19:42 estee wrote:
Update: SlayerS_'BoxeR''s girlfriend Kim Ga Yeon is asking BoxeR why isn't he changing his ID.

UH OH
Ajunta
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany522 Posts
November 16 2010 10:43 GMT
#4646
On November 16 2010 19:42 Sewi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 19:40 _Darwin_ wrote:
So epic if tasteless qualifies.


srly, I have no idea about his actual skill in SC2. Are there any replays of him out? Actually I dont even know what race he is playing!?!? (Thought he was a random player in SC2??)
I would love to see him in a booth in ro64 but somehow I dont really believe it. gl anyways...



I'll have a nerdgasm if he qualifies!
estee
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)449 Posts
November 16 2010 10:43 GMT
#4647
On November 16 2010 19:42 Pleiades wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 19:42 estee wrote:
Update: SlayerS_'BoxeR''s girlfriend Kim Ga Yeon is asking BoxeR why isn't he changing his ID.


Cuz he only follows one way. His way


BoxeR as in FoxeR / OptimusPrime not Manofoneway.
Regstata
Profile Joined October 2010
United States207 Posts
November 16 2010 10:43 GMT
#4648
On November 16 2010 19:42 bkrow wrote:
this was probably mentioned 100 pages ago; but how was HuK knocked out - it was referred to as some form of cheese play??

sorry for dwelling on the past; id appreciate any form of reply?


Vikings, vikings happened to Huk's colossi
mineraahhhllllllsss
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
November 16 2010 10:44 GMT
#4649
On November 16 2010 19:41 locJ wrote:
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On November 16 2010 19:39 Sewi wrote:
On November 16 2010 19:35 Plexa wrote:
Okay guys can we get back to the games please =/
We don't need to have Alex's post quoted any more. If he's got an issue he can contact us directly or create a new thread about it. This isn't the thread to discuss it.


True. The thread has become a bit confusing...

So as I understand it, there are some notable players left today. These are:

Select, Tester, Tasteless, Boxer, NexGenius, July with Foxer just managing to qualify, right?


pretty much, you forgot about July though


Thanks, I realized it just when I hit the "post" button. Edited...

"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
zimz
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States510 Posts
November 16 2010 10:44 GMT
#4650
On November 16 2010 19:35 MrKn4rz wrote:
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On November 16 2010 19:19 Silidons wrote:
On November 16 2010 18:58 MrKn4rz wrote:
On November 16 2010 18:29 zivac wrote:
artosis is vegetarian, it is real reason why he gets sick so often

You believe everything you see in Television dont you?

Vegetarians have been known to have weaker immune systems.


Its simply not true.
Almost every Case where Vegetariens where found to have a weaker Immune system, were cases, where they simply suffered from malnutrition because of totaly different reason.

Also, if u eat Meat ur risk of getting a heart Attack is much higher.
Every truth has to sides and in the Media you hardly get to know the hole story.

Going to bed now... Sorry again for Offtopic.

you know meat can be a part of a very healthy diet. skinless chicken breast baked along with whole grains veggies etc is very healthy. i dont understand this vegetarian stuff and bashing on meat.
zimz
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 16 2010 10:45 GMT
#4651
On November 16 2010 19:42 netherDrake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 19:42 Sewi wrote:
On November 16 2010 19:40 _Darwin_ wrote:
So epic if tasteless qualifies.


srly, I have no idea about his actual skill in SC2. Are there any replays of him out? Actually I dont even know what race he is playing!?!? (Thought he was a random player in SC2??)
I would love to see him in a booth in ro64 but somehow I dont really believe it. gl anyways...



He's probably mid-diamond level.


He was at the top of some high divisions in mid beta, and he is a solid plalyer in general. He has played random in the past but I believe that he mains Terran, and wouldn't be surprised to see him use Terran during this qualifier.

He, like almost all the big names foreigners, has a chance to qualify, depending on his bracket.
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dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
November 16 2010 10:45 GMT
#4652
On November 16 2010 19:43 adeezy wrote:
Yeah as much as people may like his Foxer name, who really wants to be known as an imitation or a fake. People need to start calling him Optimus


BoxeR(fake) specifically said "I will change my name to OptimusPrime if I win"

He lost.

He didn't change his name.

Why does everyone think he did?
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
November 16 2010 10:45 GMT
#4653
Huk (((((((((((
Gogo Grubby.
estee
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)449 Posts
November 16 2010 10:45 GMT
#4654
Update: Foxer replied: I'll change my ID to 김가연 Kim Ga Yeon.

lmao
Nu11
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada167 Posts
November 16 2010 10:45 GMT
#4655
After watching incontrols answer to who is artosis it makes me feel really nice inside that artosis has got farther in the GSL than incontrol. So happy he lost, doesn't deserve it honestly. Isn't anything special of a player either.
smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
November 16 2010 10:45 GMT
#4656
It would be great if EG.Tasteless made it :& but I doubt it
Oh well SlayerS.SlayerS_`BoxeR` gogogo ...


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Fruitseller: I feel like it's a good strategy[6Pool]. I had a lot of strategies, but I thought about it a lot and decided to 6 pool. Other people told me to 6 pool too
MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 10:47:03
November 16 2010 10:46 GMT
#4657
Tasteless played in HDH 1 against his Brother and then again there was a Showmatch also against Sean. Both can be watched on Huskystarcraft's Channel though they were played back in the Beta so I dont think u can tell his Skill from that.
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
Ajunta
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany522 Posts
November 16 2010 10:46 GMT
#4658
On November 16 2010 19:45 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 19:43 adeezy wrote:
Yeah as much as people may like his Foxer name, who really wants to be known as an imitation or a fake. People need to start calling him Optimus


BoxeR(fake) specifically said "I will change my name to OptimusPrime if I win"

He lost.

He didn't change his name.

Why does everyone think he did?


I wanted to point out the same thing ... he lost the finals!
So, what's his name ?
arQ
Profile Joined October 2010
1033 Posts
November 16 2010 10:46 GMT
#4659
On November 16 2010 19:45 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 19:43 adeezy wrote:
Yeah as much as people may like his Foxer name, who really wants to be known as an imitation or a fake. People need to start calling him Optimus


BoxeR(fake) specifically said "I will change my name to OptimusPrime if I win"

He lost.

He didn't change his name.

Why does everyone think he did?


I ask yesterday if his name change was official and several people told me that during the finals he said that he will indeed change his ID to Optimus. Thats all i know.
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." -Carl Sagan || Flash || Mvp || Naniwa ||
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
November 16 2010 10:46 GMT
#4660
On November 16 2010 19:34 EGalex wrote:
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On November 16 2010 19:20 Hot_Bid wrote:
On November 16 2010 18:45 EGalex wrote:
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Hey Everyone,

This is my first post on TL - long time reader, though (I don't usually participate on forums). For those of you who don't know me (probably, erm, every one of you), I'm the owner of Evil Geniuses... for those of you who watched the EG Masters' Cup stream so brilliantly produced by EG.SirScoots, I was "That Guy Behind The Broadcast Desk Who Didn't Want To Be On Cam." I've been involved in pro gaming for a long time now, and I decided to register my account on TL just now because I all of a sudden find this thread very problematic.

As everyone here is probably aware, TL is a juggernaut SC entity in eSports, and "wears two hats," so to say, as both a professional team and a coverage website. Some would argue that its influence as a coverage website and community stretches further than the influence of its pro players. In any case, obviously the two identities are intertwined and overlap to a certain extent.

Moving on (finally) to my point: as a very important, influential coverage hub focusing on what is currently pro gaming's most prevalent community, you can't be censoring players' names. I don't want to jump the gun and start waving around the "journalistic integrity" card prematurely, but I think it's pretty significant. Sure, TL isn't ESPN (yet), and sure, this is a forum-embedded community news piece updated by a very dedicated TL community member (for which I am grateful), but those - to me - are no excuse for throwing high standards of unbiased journalism to the side. It doesn't matter whether this is a forum post or a front-page news piece: you can't be censoring players' names or clan names just because they beat a community favorite.

Unfortunately, this pattern isn't necessarily restricted to this particular thread. There is a very minor (albeit certainly noticeable) trend on TL of posters only ensuring that Liquid pro players have their clan name mentioned - I.E. HuK is always referred to in TL coverage as Liquid`HuK, whereas SeleCt, for example, has always been just "SeleCt" and never "Dignitas.SeleCt" (at least as far as I've seen). This seems to vary based on the player and the community's familiarity with said player - IdrA, for example, is always referred to be the TL coverage folks as "EGIdrA" (we at EG are thankful for this) - but it is certainly a consistent trend. TL players are always referred to as TL players, but players from other pro teams don't necessarily always have their team name attached to their alias.

This is, of course, certainly *not* a case of intentional bias, and I'm not insinuating that it is in any way (I recently met Nazgul and several other TL executives at Blizzcon, and they held themselves with the utmost integrity and professionalism). At the end of the day, like many in this thread have pointed out, this is TL's home territory, and those covering competitions here ensure, first and foremost, that they point out what's going on with TL pro players. However, with that being said, sometimes intent is irrelevant (or close to it) when discussing matters of this matter - I.E., is neglecting to put in the care/effort to refer to SeleCt (for example) as Dignitas.SeleCt really any better than intentionally leaving out the team name? Maybe marginally better... but maybe not at all.

To summarize this already too-long post, I think it's really important for everyone in this community to remember that TL, while still a team website, is definitively the SC2 coverage hub of the English-speaking world. And any kind of journalistic bias here, whether intentional or unintentional, whether major or extremely minor (as minor as censoring a player's name because he beat HuK today), whether coming from an official TL coverage staff member or a dedicated community member not officially affiliated with TL, is extremely, extremely problematic. With this website getting the amount of traffic and attention that it does get (and should get), the coverage here needs to be held to high standards of journalistic integrity.

And at the end of the day, sure, this is TL's home base, and favoring TL's pro players in coverage posts - if it is desired to do so - may be TL's right... but doing something just because you have the power to ("just because you can") is really a very poor justification for doing anything.

(Thanks to those of you who actually read all of this)

-A

Edit: In the time it took me to write all of this, the censorship was removed. I think the points are still valid, though .

Ultimately, this was a small joke that I feel was blown out of proportion. I confess I'm an ESPORTS fan at heart. I felt it was funny for the 10-15 minutes it was live and brought a bit of personality to my cheering in this event, I never intended it to negatively reflect on TL's reputation or journalistic integrity. Maybe some saw it as a bad joke.

However, I feel it's critical to TL's personality that it's staff (especially it's volunteer staff) keep it's quirks and personality. We have a site culture here and it's one where "administrators" can be an ordinary fan along with everyone else. That is what makes TL fun for me and I feel it'd greatly hurt everyone's experience here if we cannot make a 10 minute joke about someone beating one of our favorite players. I feel this is a "no harm no foul" situation and I don't believe there is a slippery slope argument leading to us censoring out Clide's clantag because he beat Ret in the GSL Finals or something.

If you take a look at every single news post in the past six months, we've made it a point to include every single clan tag (look at the GSL coverage). Do we miss some? Sure. But every site misses clan tags sometimes -- TL and EG's sites both do. If there is an issue with not including enough clan tags, for example Dignitas for Select, then we can certainly fix that. I just don't see the issue here because a) motbob is not official TL staff at the time of this thread creation, and b) even Select himself doesn't use his Dignitas tag on all Bnet servers.

If we miss mentioning a team it's certainly not any sort of intentional malice aimed at promoting Liquid over other teams, it's just an accidental oversight. Especially when most thread OPs are created by users who are understandably more familiar with Liquid players than any other team. If you feel EG (or any team) is being overlooked, feel free to shoot us a PM and we can fix that right away.

Thanks for your feedback.


Thanks for the reply. I agree, you guys are 100% accurate with clan tags for GSL competitions, but I think if you take a look back through your history of North American competitions (and I use the word "your" liberally here, as I'm not sure in retrospect if those posts were done by official TL folks, or just dedicated community members) such as MLG events, you'll see that a ton of clan tags are missing.

Anyway, I'll shoot you a PM and continue the conversation there.

Also, thanks to everyone who replied (favorably and unfavorably). This'll be my last post, but I wanted to make one point before I go.

A lot of you guys are saying that my criticisms are invalid because so much of TL's coverage (this thread, for example) is community-based and generated by community members who aren't officially part of TL. This is not a valid counterpoint to my arguments - but it is, however, a very important observation about the nature of "coverage" and "news" on TL. We're now in an era of journalism and reporting in which a piece doesn't have to be "official" to be coverage. So, while some of you guys are essentially saying, "This isn't coverage - it's a forum thread and therefore you're wrong," I'd make the simple point: the two are not mutually exclusive anymore. It's both a forum thread and a coverage piece. I'd like to think that anyone in this community with enough dedication and passion to contribute to it via doing this kind of forum-based coverage would also apply that kind of dedication and passion to their approach to said community-based journalism.


I think you need to parse your arguments before posting them because in a strictly logical sense, you are making blanket deductions without sufficient premises. I re-read your original post for sake of clarity and while you included only two specific examples, the rest of the argument is comprised of loose vagaries bordering on rambling, which is in itself not a bad thing for an opinion is a opinion is an opinion, but now you nonchalantly brush aside certain criticisms of your argument as not valid because...why exactly? But this last post of yours does clarify one thing which is that you are deeply confused about the condition of journalism in these community threads...are you also going to lecture Artosis for his tweeting ethics since he has, as of tonight, become the de facto twitter source for happenings in korea?
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