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Nich
Profile Joined April 2010
397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 10:37:46
November 16 2010 10:36 GMT
#4601
On November 16 2010 19:21 Nihilnovi wrote:
The EG manager just made my day, relax dude, some names just don't flow right, i never can be bothered to caps EG or even think the word "evil geniuses" since it's too damn long, same can be said about many other tags/names which are just poorly thought out and hence rarely used because they are just "hard" to think about, like seriously, Dignitas? Schroet Kommando? MouzeSports?(how do you even say that? :p). Liquid on the other hand is easy to type due to the position of the keys on the keyboard and also light on the mind and thought behind it.

Just my theory ^^


you must be kidding right? maybe dignitas is longer, SK and mouz are short form right? you don't type Team Liquid`Huk, Startale HopeTortue. Liquid is easier to type compared to SK, mouz, EG, MYM right?

User was warned for this post (it is off topic)
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
November 16 2010 10:36 GMT
#4602
On November 16 2010 19:35 theherder2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 19:33 WeeKeong wrote:
On November 16 2010 19:30 Corrupted wrote:
On November 16 2010 19:28 hugman wrote:
Sucks that Huk didn't make it but you can't blame the draw unless you play someone like FoxeR. IdrA qualified 3 times. HuK can probably do it if he stays in Korea.


nope, but we can certainly blame the garbage map pool.

It's scrap against terran, not zerg. Sad that he didn't qualify, but he chose to mass collosi even though they could be sniped from 9 range vikings in space that can't be attacked by stalkers.



Actually from Artosis/Incontrol interview, they agreed that Scrap is favored to both Zerg and Terran, the way it is set up.


incontrol didnt exactly agree, as much as he called artosis dumb for saying that
Ajunta
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany522 Posts
November 16 2010 10:36 GMT
#4603
someone tell me about FoxeR's matches, did he 2-0 everybody ?
qazadex
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia473 Posts
November 16 2010 10:36 GMT
#4604
Wow, only two Protoss.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
November 16 2010 10:37 GMT
#4605
Any word on July's status? Sorry if it's been mentioned already but couldnt find anything in the OP and don't want to wade through 230 pages
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
nickycakes
Profile Joined May 2010
United States103 Posts
November 16 2010 10:37 GMT
#4606
anyone wanna actually give us updates i really wanna know how Dignitas.Select is doing. did i do that right?
disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
November 16 2010 10:37 GMT
#4607
Not suprised that HuK didn't make it. I'm surprised so many people thought that he would qualify, I always felt his play was a bit lacking.

I am surprised that Haypro made it though, then again I haven't really seen him play.
this game is a fucking jokie
BatCat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Austria630 Posts
November 16 2010 10:37 GMT
#4608
Does anyone know anything about SeleCT?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Slasher
Profile Joined September 2007
United States1095 Posts
November 16 2010 10:37 GMT
#4609
Any word on Select/Tasteless?
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 10:38:34
November 16 2010 10:38 GMT
#4610
Any word on July's status? Sorry if it's been mentioned already but couldnt find anything in the OP and don't want to wade through 230 pages

anyone wanna actually give us updates i really wanna know how Dignitas.Select is doing. did i do that right?


Both are in Group D, all still in the process of qualifying. Tasteless too.
SC2 player for Flash eSports. twitch.tv/nether_drake, https://twitter.com/bryan_sum, http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bryan-Drake-Sum/468389706519567
Sideburn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States442 Posts
November 16 2010 10:38 GMT
#4611
On November 16 2010 19:34 EGalex wrote:
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On November 16 2010 19:20 Hot_Bid wrote:
On November 16 2010 18:45 EGalex wrote:
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Hey Everyone,

This is my first post on TL - long time reader, though (I don't usually participate on forums). For those of you who don't know me (probably, erm, every one of you), I'm the owner of Evil Geniuses... for those of you who watched the EG Masters' Cup stream so brilliantly produced by EG.SirScoots, I was "That Guy Behind The Broadcast Desk Who Didn't Want To Be On Cam." I've been involved in pro gaming for a long time now, and I decided to register my account on TL just now because I all of a sudden find this thread very problematic.

As everyone here is probably aware, TL is a juggernaut SC entity in eSports, and "wears two hats," so to say, as both a professional team and a coverage website. Some would argue that its influence as a coverage website and community stretches further than the influence of its pro players. In any case, obviously the two identities are intertwined and overlap to a certain extent.

Moving on (finally) to my point: as a very important, influential coverage hub focusing on what is currently pro gaming's most prevalent community, you can't be censoring players' names. I don't want to jump the gun and start waving around the "journalistic integrity" card prematurely, but I think it's pretty significant. Sure, TL isn't ESPN (yet), and sure, this is a forum-embedded community news piece updated by a very dedicated TL community member (for which I am grateful), but those - to me - are no excuse for throwing high standards of unbiased journalism to the side. It doesn't matter whether this is a forum post or a front-page news piece: you can't be censoring players' names or clan names just because they beat a community favorite.

Unfortunately, this pattern isn't necessarily restricted to this particular thread. There is a very minor (albeit certainly noticeable) trend on TL of posters only ensuring that Liquid pro players have their clan name mentioned - I.E. HuK is always referred to in TL coverage as Liquid`HuK, whereas SeleCt, for example, has always been just "SeleCt" and never "Dignitas.SeleCt" (at least as far as I've seen). This seems to vary based on the player and the community's familiarity with said player - IdrA, for example, is always referred to be the TL coverage folks as "EGIdrA" (we at EG are thankful for this) - but it is certainly a consistent trend. TL players are always referred to as TL players, but players from other pro teams don't necessarily always have their team name attached to their alias.

This is, of course, certainly *not* a case of intentional bias, and I'm not insinuating that it is in any way (I recently met Nazgul and several other TL executives at Blizzcon, and they held themselves with the utmost integrity and professionalism). At the end of the day, like many in this thread have pointed out, this is TL's home territory, and those covering competitions here ensure, first and foremost, that they point out what's going on with TL pro players. However, with that being said, sometimes intent is irrelevant (or close to it) when discussing matters of this matter - I.E., is neglecting to put in the care/effort to refer to SeleCt (for example) as Dignitas.SeleCt really any better than intentionally leaving out the team name? Maybe marginally better... but maybe not at all.

To summarize this already too-long post, I think it's really important for everyone in this community to remember that TL, while still a team website, is definitively the SC2 coverage hub of the English-speaking world. And any kind of journalistic bias here, whether intentional or unintentional, whether major or extremely minor (as minor as censoring a player's name because he beat HuK today), whether coming from an official TL coverage staff member or a dedicated community member not officially affiliated with TL, is extremely, extremely problematic. With this website getting the amount of traffic and attention that it does get (and should get), the coverage here needs to be held to high standards of journalistic integrity.

And at the end of the day, sure, this is TL's home base, and favoring TL's pro players in coverage posts - if it is desired to do so - may be TL's right... but doing something just because you have the power to ("just because you can") is really a very poor justification for doing anything.

(Thanks to those of you who actually read all of this)

-A

Edit: In the time it took me to write all of this, the censorship was removed. I think the points are still valid, though .

Ultimately, this was a small joke that I feel was blown out of proportion. I confess I'm an ESPORTS fan at heart. I felt it was funny for the 10-15 minutes it was live and brought a bit of personality to my cheering in this event, I never intended it to negatively reflect on TL's reputation or journalistic integrity. Maybe some saw it as a bad joke.

However, I feel it's critical to TL's personality that it's staff (especially it's volunteer staff) keep it's quirks and personality. We have a site culture here and it's one where "administrators" can be an ordinary fan along with everyone else. That is what makes TL fun for me and I feel it'd greatly hurt everyone's experience here if we cannot make a 10 minute joke about someone beating one of our favorite players. I feel this is a "no harm no foul" situation and I don't believe there is a slippery slope argument leading to us censoring out Clide's clantag because he beat Ret in the GSL Finals or something.

If you take a look at every single news post in the past six months, we've made it a point to include every single clan tag (look at the GSL coverage). Do we miss some? Sure. But every site misses clan tags sometimes -- TL and EG's sites both do. If there is an issue with not including enough clan tags, for example Dignitas for Select, then we can certainly fix that. I just don't see the issue here because a) motbob is not official TL staff at the time of this thread creation, and b) even Select himself doesn't use his Dignitas tag on all Bnet servers.

If we miss mentioning a team it's certainly not any sort of intentional malice aimed at promoting Liquid over other teams, it's just an accidental oversight. Especially when most thread OPs are created by users who are understandably more familiar with Liquid players than any other team. If you feel EG (or any team) is being overlooked, feel free to shoot us a PM and we can fix that right away.

Thanks for your feedback.


Thanks for the reply. I agree, you guys are 100% accurate with clan tags for GSL competitions, but I think if you take a look back through your history of North American competitions (and I use the word "your" liberally here, as I'm not sure in retrospect if those posts were done by official TL folks, or just dedicated community members) such as MLG events, you'll see that a ton of clan tags are missing.

Anyway, I'll shoot you a PM and continue the conversation there.

Also, thanks to everyone who replied (favorably and unfavorably). This'll be my last post, but I wanted to make one point before I go.

A lot of you guys are saying that my criticisms are invalid because so much of TL's coverage (this thread, for example) is community-based and generated by community members who aren't officially part of TL. This is not a valid counterpoint to my arguments - but it is, however, a very important observation about the nature of "coverage" and "news" on TL. We're now in an era of journalism and reporting in which a piece doesn't have to be "official" to be coverage. So, while some of you guys are essentially saying, "This isn't coverage - it's a forum thread and therefore you're wrong," I'd make the simple point: the two are not mutually exclusive anymore. It's both a forum thread and a coverage piece. I'd like to think that anyone in this community with enough dedication and passion to contribute to it via doing this kind of forum-based coverage would also apply that kind of dedication and passion to their approach to said community-based journalism.


I applaud your audacity and optimism about the TL community, and I am sure that you truly are a boon to E-sports.

I can't help but wonder though about the folly of expecting "journalistic integrity" from every single member of a mob of anonymous net denizens.

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omgCRAZY
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada551 Posts
November 16 2010 10:38 GMT
#4612
Players who qualified today:

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NesTea
FruitDealer
oGsVINES (#131 KR)
시나브로프라임 (#179 KR)
ST.Monster (#11 KR)
Liquid`Ret
JookToJung
창조의아침 (#61 KR)
Destination (#46 KR)
NEXLine (#39 KR)
Sen
EGIdra

Aya (#6233478347875389 KR)
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aLivefOu (#15 KR)
Bless
라츠
choyafOu (#15 KR)
FoxeR


Hahaha, so funny. We are going to need a qualifiers archive of great moments. This and some of the awesome tweets by Artosis!
THIS NEEDS FACE!
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 10:39:57
November 16 2010 10:39 GMT
#4613
On November 16 2010 19:35 Plexa wrote:
Okay guys can we get back to the games please =/
We don't need to have Alex's post quoted any more. If he's got an issue he can contact us directly or create a new thread about it. This isn't the thread to discuss it.


True. The thread has become a bit confusing...

So as I understand it, there are some notable players left today. These are:

Select, Tester, Tasteless, Boxer, NexGenius, July with Foxer just managing to qualify, right?
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
estee
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)449 Posts
November 16 2010 10:39 GMT
#4614
On November 16 2010 19:36 locJ wrote:
someone tell me about FoxeR's matches, did he 2-0 everybody ?


Pretty sure he 2-0'd. TvT was his final round matchup.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
November 16 2010 10:39 GMT
#4615
On November 16 2010 19:38 netherDrake wrote:
Show nested quote +
Any word on July's status? Sorry if it's been mentioned already but couldnt find anything in the OP and don't want to wade through 230 pages

Show nested quote +
anyone wanna actually give us updates i really wanna know how Dignitas.Select is doing. did i do that right?


Both are in Group D, all still in the process of qualifying. Tasteless too.


Does Tasteless's race show up in the brackets?

Is he playing Terran or did he switch to Protoss like Artosis suggested?
Stolat
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland241 Posts
November 16 2010 10:39 GMT
#4616
On November 16 2010 19:33 locJ wrote:
stop going off topic!

This is a live thread! I want to read who plays, who wins, who loses and how people feel about it!
I don't want to read about anything else in here, I don't care how important that topic is!


OMG 100% agree!

btw GO GO Select !
UF fight!
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
November 16 2010 10:39 GMT
#4617
On November 16 2010 19:37 Slasher wrote:
Any word on Select/Tasteless?


Group D matches just started up acording to GOM's facebook
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_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
November 16 2010 10:40 GMT
#4618
So epic if tasteless qualifies.
I cant stop lactating
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
November 16 2010 10:40 GMT
#4619
One final question, is Aya's actual rank known? Or is he an unknown player?
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ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
November 16 2010 10:40 GMT
#4620
ohhhhhhhhh huk nooooooooooooooooo kiwikaki noooooooooooo
the two protoss allstars lose ;( the two canadian heroes... this SUCKS
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