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On November 13 2010 22:09 Gigaudas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:07 iEchoic wrote:On November 13 2010 22:04 unoriginalname wrote:
I really don't understand why BoxeR thought it necessary to end the game in the first six minutes. Throughout the series he has shown he has great macro alongside his sublime micro, which was also shown in game 2. I understand that he obviously can't let it progress more than 3 bases but <20 workers is a bit of a difference. Every time he tried to macro he lost. See Scrap, Xelnaga, whatever other one he lost I forgot. You can't out-macro a good zerg player without laying on heavy pressure. He tried on xel naga and he had 10 less workers by 8 minutes. He was winning most of his games while putting on heavy pressure, there's no reason he shouldn't continue to try in game 7. Would be stupider to try to macro when it's already failed for him so much. He thought his SCV allin hardcountered 14-hatch. Turns out it doesn't. How did he lose Xelnaga by macroing? He lost Xelnaga due to being stupidly aggressive. Just like he lost every series but Scrap Station (in which he teched hard for a timings push and lost a strategic loss).
He was trying to pressure because you can't just not attack a zerg on 2 bases. He was already down 10 drones, sitting in his base instead of being aggressive wouldn't be better.
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On November 13 2010 22:10 gillon wrote:
Some people really don't know what to consider cheese. Boxer didn't even cheese that much. He did one cheese, maybe two, and alot of pressure builds.
Tank drops, macro games, etc. were fine.
Though the pulling of the SCVs in the first and last game were as all-in as you're gonna get.
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On November 13 2010 21:43 Omoplata wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 21:38 Nakama wrote:
Hehehe jsut showed us how easy zerg is to play go the most risky build possible spawning in the worst posi possible getting all inned and still winning easily while on th eother hand we had the terra in some games play way safer and still loosing to a simple banlingbust
lolwut?? Did you watch the series? I mean did you REALLY watch it? Are you seriously revising history that's not even 20 minutes old?
Yes i did and whats ur point ? It should be a clear bo win in game 7 and even the best micro palyer right now cant win it so tell me what to do then let zerg expand every game 1 and then hope that u can get back to the game with one drop ?
btw i Dont say nestea played bad at all
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On November 13 2010 21:44 Luckbox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 21:43 Telcontar wrote:
Sorry i was in the loo. What did John say exactly? A rough summary would suffice. What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Germans bombing pearl harbor? what have you been smoking? oO
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On November 13 2010 22:07 Grond wrote:
I was just rooting for a good series but with all the cheese Foxer was doing I ended up rooting for Nestea.
His play really wasn't that cheesy. Aggressive to a fault at points, yeah. But I don't fault him for being aggressive. I really think his losses, at least the last one, stemmed from him getting nervous at key times.
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while still being extremly risky, you could still come out victorious of a macro game against zerg, unless the zerg 14-hatches. trying to outplay a 14-hatching zerg is almost impossible on any map, that isn't SoW. NesTea played 14-hatch every single game though..
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On November 13 2010 22:12 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 21:44 Luckbox wrote:On November 13 2010 21:43 Telcontar wrote:
Sorry i was in the loo. What did John say exactly? A rough summary would suffice. What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! Germans bombing pearl harbor? what have you been smoking? oO
Don't start this again. It's a quote.
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On November 13 2010 22:12 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 21:44 Luckbox wrote:On November 13 2010 21:43 Telcontar wrote:
Sorry i was in the loo. What did John say exactly? A rough summary would suffice. What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! Germans bombing pearl harbor? what have you been smoking? oO
Haha, thanks for that
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I'm so pleased for Nestea, being a 29yr old progamer who has never been top tier finally being vindicated in such an epic way. It will mean so much to him to win this.
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On November 13 2010 22:00 abrasion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 21:59 noD wrote:On November 13 2010 21:57 abrasion wrote:On November 13 2010 21:53 Caveat wrote:
I really want to see more protoss action in S3. Patch 1.1.4 Notes Balance changes: Terran: Mule now lasts 15 seconds longer. Banshee build time reduced 10 seconds Zerg: Roach build time decreased 5 seconds You now get 3 zerglings per egg Protoss: Race deleted from selection list. Altho i see your irony 15 secons isnt even a complete mining circle =X The word is either sarcasm or being facetious, sorry to go all grammar on you but the misuse of irony (primarily by Americans) fucking slays me.
You're not the only one.
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imo, it is not greedy to go 14 hatch, or go scv all in...
but i am quite disappointed not to see a longer final match.
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On November 13 2010 22:04 unoriginalname wrote:
I really don't understand why BoxeR thought it necessary to end the game in the first six minutes. Throughout the series he has shown he has great macro alongside his sublime micro, which was also shown in game 2. I understand that he obviously can't let it progress more than 3 bases but <20 workers is a bit of a difference.
I hope to see him next season when he's learnt to drop-ship play SlayerSBoxeR style or something equally outstanding to watch.
I was rooting for NesTea throughout, but that was solely because he was Zerg and I always root for my race as I guess most do.
well, u should really factor in the amount of physical and mental drain on playing a Bo7 live on stage that grand, this is techinically Foxer's first experience on such a huge event, i think at about game 6 he's basically tired out and wanted to finish the game as soon as possible because he's worn out...
and it looks like Nestea has got a stronger mental state and endurance than Foxer, and going down 2 games at the start of the series and come back from that? if this wan a Bo5 Foxer prolly would have maintained his composure easier imo...
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On November 13 2010 22:14 fueNN wrote:
while still being extremly risky, you could still come out victorious of a macro game against zerg, unless the zerg 14-hatches. trying to outplay a 14-hatching zerg is almost impossible on any map, that isn't SoW. NesTea played 14-hatch every single game though..
He didn't 14 hatch on Steppes.
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On November 13 2010 22:14 Cade)Flayer wrote:
I'm so pleased for Nestea, being a 29yr old progamer who has never been top tier finally being vindicated in such an epic way. It will mean so much to him to win this.
yea totally!
gratz to him 
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On November 13 2010 22:15 zemiron wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:00 abrasion wrote:On November 13 2010 21:59 noD wrote:On November 13 2010 21:57 abrasion wrote:On November 13 2010 21:53 Caveat wrote:
I really want to see more protoss action in S3. Patch 1.1.4 Notes Balance changes: Terran: Mule now lasts 15 seconds longer. Banshee build time reduced 10 seconds Zerg: Roach build time decreased 5 seconds You now get 3 zerglings per egg Protoss: Race deleted from selection list. Altho i see your irony 15 secons isnt even a complete mining circle =X The word is either sarcasm or being facetious, sorry to go all grammar on you but the misuse of irony (primarily by Americans) fucking slays me. You're not the only one.
Actually, "sarcasm/facetiousness" is a terrible definition of irony. Irony is best described as the superposition of two (or more) diametrically opposed ideas.
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On November 13 2010 22:15 Malhorn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:14 fueNN wrote:
while still being extremly risky, you could still come out victorious of a macro game against zerg, unless the zerg 14-hatches. trying to outplay a 14-hatching zerg is almost impossible on any map, that isn't SoW. NesTea played 14-hatch every single game though.. He didn't 14 hatch on Steppes.
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Who cares? The definition of words will inevitably change, especially with words like irony which most people learn to use through context, not from actually learning the definition.
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On November 13 2010 22:11 iEchoic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:09 Gigaudas wrote:On November 13 2010 22:07 iEchoic wrote:On November 13 2010 22:04 unoriginalname wrote:
I really don't understand why BoxeR thought it necessary to end the game in the first six minutes. Throughout the series he has shown he has great macro alongside his sublime micro, which was also shown in game 2. I understand that he obviously can't let it progress more than 3 bases but <20 workers is a bit of a difference. Every time he tried to macro he lost. See Scrap, Xelnaga, whatever other one he lost I forgot. You can't out-macro a good zerg player without laying on heavy pressure. He tried on xel naga and he had 10 less workers by 8 minutes. He was winning most of his games while putting on heavy pressure, there's no reason he shouldn't continue to try in game 7. Would be stupider to try to macro when it's already failed for him so much. He thought his SCV allin hardcountered 14-hatch. Turns out it doesn't. How did he lose Xelnaga by macroing? He lost Xelnaga due to being stupidly aggressive. Just like he lost every series but Scrap Station (in which he teched hard for a timings push and lost a strategic loss). He was trying to pressure because you can't just not attack a zerg on 2 bases. He was already down 10 drones, sitting in his base instead of being aggressive wouldn't be better.
Totally agreed. Staying back just defending vs Zerg being Terran is just a GG for zerg as time increases. And that's what happened at last game, he knows that.
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On November 13 2010 22:22 HuHEN wrote:
Who cares? The definition of words will inevitably change, especially with words like irony which most people learn to use through context, not from actually learning the definition.
I agree entirely. Even the people who insist on being snobby about the definitions of words are often unsure of the definition themselves. Language is fluid, and people who oppose its natural development are fighting a fight that is both hopeless and pointless.
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All in all I'm sad that BoxeR didn't win the finals, but I can't feel bad about NesTea getting his break. Just wish things could have gone more smoothly.
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