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Ajunta
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany522 Posts
November 13 2010 13:04 GMT
#4901
All in all it was an amazing final. The whole time I was saying to myself that yes, these two players really deserved to be in the finals, both of them were just miles above most of the other players. The series was awesomely back and forth, "very high level play".

Big respect to Junkka also for that incredible speech, couldn't have imagined a better ending for this GSL.

Can't wait for Season 3.
Pull
Profile Joined April 2010
United States308 Posts
November 13 2010 13:04 GMT
#4902
Junkka is such a beautiful person. We love you man!!!!
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futility
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Japan134 Posts
November 13 2010 13:04 GMT
#4903
As a terran player I was really hoping to find some answers to the zerg matchup in this finals but seeing one of, if not the best micro players out there lose what most would have expected to be a build order win in the best possible positions was harrowing to say the least. Nevertheless, well played by both players. Congrats Nestea on the win.
unoriginalname
Profile Joined November 2010
England380 Posts
November 13 2010 13:04 GMT
#4904
I really don't understand why BoxeR thought it necessary to end the game in the first six minutes. Throughout the series he has shown he has great macro alongside his sublime micro, which was also shown in game 2. I understand that he obviously can't let it progress more than 3 bases but <20 workers is a bit of a difference.

I hope to see him next season when he's learnt to drop-ship play SlayerSBoxeR style or something equally outstanding to watch.

I was rooting for NesTea throughout, but that was solely because he was Zerg and I always root for my race as I guess most do.
Hmmm
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-13 13:07:15
November 13 2010 13:05 GMT
#4905
On November 13 2010 21:59 PangO wrote:
Pretty amazing series.
As everyone saying maybe Protoss should get some buff tosee them in action a little bit more.
Well played Nestea


From a spectator point of view, I think that the Protoss race will first have to be completly re-worked in order to make it interisting to watch in a GSL final.
Camping with a bunch of sentries at your ramp because of how fragile your zealots-stalkers are against zerg/terran all-in is extremly boring.
Not to mention that Protoss then proceed to secure an exp and camp at it once again...
At least they could buff the Protoss drop to allow more actions...

On November 13 2010 22:04 unoriginalname wrote:
I really don't understand why BoxeR thought it necessary to end the game in the first six minutes. Throughout the series he has shown he has great macro alongside his sublime micro, which was also shown in game 2. I understand that he obviously can't let it progress more than 3 bases but <20 workers is a bit of a difference.

I hope to soee him next season when he's learnt to drop-ship play SlayerSBoxeR style or something equally outstanding to watch.

I was rooting for NesTea throughout, but that was solely because he was Zerg and I always root for my race as I guess most do.


Don't prend you don't understand when it has been said over a million of time in this forum. Zerg macro is superior to Terran, so Terran has to rely on timing pushes or risky manoeuvers to prevent the Zerg from droning.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
November 13 2010 13:05 GMT
#4906
Boxer just lost his cool in the last 2 games, he threw them away
Lush
Profile Joined May 2010
United States657 Posts
November 13 2010 13:05 GMT
#4907
Story of this GSL in junkka. lol jk but he is the man
"you play that nerdy game?"
Varth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States426 Posts
November 13 2010 13:06 GMT
#4908
Zergbong used his practice time very well, he deserved the wins, but i hate seeing greedy play beat early rushs... theres such a tiny window to attack zerg in the current meta with spinecrawlers defense with reactionary lings and what not. If Zergbong didn't have the entire week to practice, Foxer woulda taken it 4-2, but bong did his homework and the last game ending was pretty epic, if that surround hadnt worked out it woulda been over.
homer001
Profile Joined October 2010
493 Posts
November 13 2010 13:07 GMT
#4909
the last game was a bit of an anti climax
i guess the pressure got to him
but an awesome series overall
tehplank
Profile Joined October 2010
977 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-13 13:09:41
November 13 2010 13:07 GMT
#4910
On November 13 2010 22:04 unoriginalname wrote:
I really don't understand why BoxeR thought it necessary to end the game in the first six minutes. Throughout the series he has shown he has great macro alongside his sublime micro, which was also shown in game 2. I understand that he obviously can't let it progress more than 3 bases but <20 workers is a bit of a difference.

I hope to see him next season when he's learnt to drop-ship play SlayerSBoxeR style or something equally outstanding to watch.

I was rooting for NesTea throughout, but that was solely because he was Zerg and I always root for my race as I guess most do.


The longer you leave Zerg with a lot of bases, the tougher it is to beat. Not to mention that NesTea is one hell of a good player, only losing sets in the finals.

EDIT: NesTea and MVP are in the same clan. As shown in MVP's Ro32 match, he has excellent marine control just like Foxer. NesTea must have something cooking if that was the case.
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iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-13 13:08:39
November 13 2010 13:07 GMT
#4911
On November 13 2010 22:04 unoriginalname wrote:
I really don't understand why BoxeR thought it necessary to end the game in the first six minutes. Throughout the series he has shown he has great macro alongside his sublime micro, which was also shown in game 2. I understand that he obviously can't let it progress more than 3 bases but <20 workers is a bit of a difference.


Every time he tried to macro he lost. See Scrap, Xelnaga, whatever other one he lost I forgot. You can't out-macro a good zerg player without laying on heavy pressure. He tried on xel naga and he had 10 less workers by 8 minutes.

He was winning most of his games while putting on heavy pressure, there's no reason he shouldn't continue to try in game 7. Would be stupider to try to macro when it's already failed for him so much.

He thought his SCV allin hardcountered 14-hatch. Turns out it doesn't.
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Grond
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
599 Posts
November 13 2010 13:07 GMT
#4912
I was just rooting for a good series but with all the cheese Foxer was doing I ended up rooting for Nestea.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
November 13 2010 13:08 GMT
#4913
Where is the official Junkka fan club?
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McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
November 13 2010 13:08 GMT
#4914
On November 13 2010 22:00 Ivanero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2010 21:54 FLuE wrote:
FE before pool is free for zerg vs Terran. Terran can't stop it. GL Blizzard keep on the good job balancing the game!!


If I'm not mistaken we saw tons of games where this isn't the case at all in this GSL... and if I'm not mistaken ones in the finals? Are you only capable of remembering the last game you saw?

It was really great drone micro that caught the play incoming and delayed enough to get the lings out. It was then great drone/ling micro that held off the initial push. But terran is still plenty capable of 2 rax FE harass/bunker play for sure. Now Zerg actually has a chance to hold it off, unlike before when even incredible micro wouldn't matter.



Oh yeah and Foxer doesn't have an incredible micro, right? Final game showed us how it should be if both Terran and Zerg players play on the same level when a Zerg FE before pool vs a terran. The game where Nestea lost to that he didn't defend it the right way like last game.

You can't really say that BoxeR was playing to the best of his ability in the last game, though. If he hadn't been so jittery then he probably wouldn't have made the play that he did in the first place.
High five :---)
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
November 13 2010 13:09 GMT
#4915
Props to Bong though. Goes from one of the worst players in Season 1 (No creep spread at all) to Season 2 winner. Goes to show you how one month makes a hell of a difference.
God Bless
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
November 13 2010 13:09 GMT
#4916
On November 13 2010 22:07 tehplank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2010 22:04 unoriginalname wrote:
I really don't understand why BoxeR thought it necessary to end the game in the first six minutes. Throughout the series he has shown he has great macro alongside his sublime micro, which was also shown in game 2. I understand that he obviously can't let it progress more than 3 bases but <20 workers is a bit of a difference.

I hope to see him next season when he's learnt to drop-ship play SlayerSBoxeR style or something equally outstanding to watch.

I was rooting for NesTea throughout, but that was solely because he was Zerg and I always root for my race as I guess most do.


The longer you leave Zerg with a lot of bases, the tougher it is to beat. Not to mention that NesTea is one hell of a good player, only losing sets in the finals.


Based on what you just said

1. You are wrong. Terran can and will eventually be able to play late game fine vs zerg.

2. You are right. If this is the case, there is a major problem with the game right now.

I hope you are just super wrong =/
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
November 13 2010 13:09 GMT
#4917
On November 13 2010 22:07 iEchoic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2010 22:04 unoriginalname wrote:
I really don't understand why BoxeR thought it necessary to end the game in the first six minutes. Throughout the series he has shown he has great macro alongside his sublime micro, which was also shown in game 2. I understand that he obviously can't let it progress more than 3 bases but <20 workers is a bit of a difference.


Every time he tried to macro he lost. See Scrap, Xelnaga, whatever other one he lost I forgot. You can't out-macro a good zerg player without laying on heavy pressure. He tried on xel naga and he had 10 less workers by 8 minutes.

He was winning most of his games while putting on heavy pressure, there's no reason he shouldn't continue to try in game 7. Would be stupider to try to macro when it's already failed for him so much.

He thought his SCV allin hardcountered 14-hatch. Turns out it doesn't.


How did he lose Xelnaga by macroing? He lost Xelnaga due to being stupidly aggressive. Just like he lost every series but Scrap Station (in which he teched hard for a timings push and lost a strategic loss).
I
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
November 13 2010 13:10 GMT
#4918
Some people really don't know what to consider cheese. Boxer didn't even cheese that much. He did one cheese, maybe two, and alot of pressure builds.
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Mano
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States192 Posts
November 13 2010 13:10 GMT
#4919
On November 13 2010 22:07 homer001 wrote:
the last game was a bit of an anti climax
i guess the pressure got to him
but an awesome series overall


I don't see how it was anti-climactic, yeah once NesTea beat the rush it was over, but that rush was one of the most intense things I've seen in sc2.
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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
November 13 2010 13:10 GMT
#4920
On November 13 2010 22:08 McDonalds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2010 22:00 Ivanero wrote:
On November 13 2010 21:54 FLuE wrote:
FE before pool is free for zerg vs Terran. Terran can't stop it. GL Blizzard keep on the good job balancing the game!!


If I'm not mistaken we saw tons of games where this isn't the case at all in this GSL... and if I'm not mistaken ones in the finals? Are you only capable of remembering the last game you saw?

It was really great drone micro that caught the play incoming and delayed enough to get the lings out. It was then great drone/ling micro that held off the initial push. But terran is still plenty capable of 2 rax FE harass/bunker play for sure. Now Zerg actually has a chance to hold it off, unlike before when even incredible micro wouldn't matter.



Oh yeah and Foxer doesn't have an incredible micro, right? Final game showed us how it should be if both Terran and Zerg players play on the same level when a Zerg FE before pool vs a terran. The game where Nestea lost to that he didn't defend it the right way like last game.

You can't really say that BoxeR was playing to the best of his ability in the last game, though. If he hadn't been so jittery then he probably wouldn't have made the play that he did in the first place.

Agreed. Probably a panic move by Boxer there at the end. He definitely should have pulled back and at least gave it a shot, but he insisted on moving forward even with the spine crawler there.
God Bless
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