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On November 03 2010 06:51 nedamise wrote:
You do realize that if they really wanted to rig the matches they would make it look like standard play and not some "weird" tactics that could arouse the suspicion of paranoid people? "Hey, let's rig the match." "K, how?" "Well, let's have Nada not play standard, that will totally fool them." "Hehe, good idea dude."
This so ridiculous and disgusting I won't even bother arguing it further. People who claim this are either trolling or ignorant. In both cases just not worth it.
It is highly unlikely the matches are fixed, but you should always look at it objectively before you decide.
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On November 03 2010 06:51 nedamise wrote:
You do realize that if they really wanted to rig the matches they would make it look like standard play and not some "weird" tactics that could arouse the suspicion of paranoid people? "Hey, let's rig the match." "K, how?" "Well, let's have Nada not play standard and lose on purpose, that will totally fool them." "Hehe, good idea dude."
This so ridiculous and disgusting I won't even bother arguing it further. People who claim this are either trolling or ignorant. In both cases just not worth it.
Not to mention 3-1 isn't even the maximum amount of games, lol. If they were trying to fake the whole thing, them each taking a map from each other, taking turns, would be much better. lose, win, lose, win, win.
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I find it laughable that people actually there is a possibility of match fixing in the Boxer / Nada match.
the GSL prize pool is far greater than what a match fixer would offer. how much did Savior and company get for their fixed matches? I'm pretty sure it pales in comparison to the GSL prize pool.
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On November 03 2010 06:55 udgnim wrote:
I find it laughable that people actually there is a possibility of match fixing in the Boxer / Nada match.
the GSL prize pool is far greater than what a match fixer would offer. how much did Savior and company get for their fixed matches? I'm pretty sure it pales in comparison to the GSL prize pool.
You have to look at the bigger picture. IF they can make SC2 as popular as BW was, they stand to gain much more than a 1st place at a GSL.
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Amazing games! gg @ boxer & nada ^_^
+ Show Spoiler +Boxer was a straight-up better player in g2,3,4! He was able to come from behind in g3&4 and win with better decision making.
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All these match fixing accusations tarnishes TL's image.
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On November 03 2010 06:58 Grond wrote:
All these match fixing accusations tarnishes TL's image.
I think people are just trying to make sense of nada's play, I know a lot of people expected a more stable macro oriented play from him.
He was playing risky and he didn't need to be, since he has a strong advantage over boxer in the mechanics department.
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On November 03 2010 06:59 robertdinh wrote:
He was playing risky and he didn't need to be, since he has a strong advantage over boxer in the mechanics department.
In BW, sure...
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On November 03 2010 06:56 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 06:55 udgnim wrote:
I find it laughable that people actually there is a possibility of match fixing in the Boxer / Nada match.
the GSL prize pool is far greater than what a match fixer would offer. how much did Savior and company get for their fixed matches? I'm pretty sure it pales in comparison to the GSL prize pool. You have to look at the bigger picture. IF they can make SC2 as popular as BW was, they stand to gain much more than a 1st place at a GSL.
Do they really? Because I'm pretty sure winning makes them more money regardless.
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I was just thinking that these discussions were missing a bit of that paranoid schizophrenia that conspiracy theorists bring. Now it's starting to feel like a real sport. Pass me a tin foil hat. The GSL people might be monitoring our thoughts right this instant.
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People who are claiming matchfixing left and right are a disgrace to these forums. I have literally seen at least 10 series so far that get heavy matchfixing replies in the forums. If someone doesn't play the exact style you expect them to play you claim matchfixing. I really doubt that they would take that big a risk on a high profile game among 2 top players this early in sc2 developement.
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On November 03 2010 07:02 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 06:56 robertdinh wrote:On November 03 2010 06:55 udgnim wrote:
I find it laughable that people actually there is a possibility of match fixing in the Boxer / Nada match.
the GSL prize pool is far greater than what a match fixer would offer. how much did Savior and company get for their fixed matches? I'm pretty sure it pales in comparison to the GSL prize pool. You have to look at the bigger picture. IF they can make SC2 as popular as BW was, they stand to gain much more than a 1st place at a GSL. Do they really? Because I'm pretty sure winning makes them more money regardless.
If boxer created the BW boom, it would be logical based on the following and marketing power he has, to try and recreate that feeling of nostalgia within people.
Nada also has a following, but boxer's fame and contribution is still viewed as being much more significant in the growth of BW.
GSL first place is a lot of money for one tournament, but does it compare to the consistent contracts + sponsoring that some of the top BW pros were getting?
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On November 03 2010 07:07 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 07:02 Serpico wrote:On November 03 2010 06:56 robertdinh wrote:On November 03 2010 06:55 udgnim wrote:
I find it laughable that people actually there is a possibility of match fixing in the Boxer / Nada match.
the GSL prize pool is far greater than what a match fixer would offer. how much did Savior and company get for their fixed matches? I'm pretty sure it pales in comparison to the GSL prize pool. You have to look at the bigger picture. IF they can make SC2 as popular as BW was, they stand to gain much more than a 1st place at a GSL. Do they really? Because I'm pretty sure winning makes them more money regardless. If boxer created the BW boom, it would be logical based on the following and marketing power he has, to try and recreate that feeling of nostalgia within people. Nada also has a following, but boxer's fame and contribution is still viewed as being much more significant in the growth of BW. GSL first place is a lot of money for one tournament, but does it compare to the consistent contracts + sponsoring that some of the top BW pros were getting?
If him and Nada keep winning it will happen organically without fixing.
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On November 03 2010 07:11 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 07:07 robertdinh wrote:On November 03 2010 07:02 Serpico wrote:On November 03 2010 06:56 robertdinh wrote:On November 03 2010 06:55 udgnim wrote:
I find it laughable that people actually there is a possibility of match fixing in the Boxer / Nada match.
the GSL prize pool is far greater than what a match fixer would offer. how much did Savior and company get for their fixed matches? I'm pretty sure it pales in comparison to the GSL prize pool. You have to look at the bigger picture. IF they can make SC2 as popular as BW was, they stand to gain much more than a 1st place at a GSL. Do they really? Because I'm pretty sure winning makes them more money regardless. If boxer created the BW boom, it would be logical based on the following and marketing power he has, to try and recreate that feeling of nostalgia within people. Nada also has a following, but boxer's fame and contribution is still viewed as being much more significant in the growth of BW. GSL first place is a lot of money for one tournament, but does it compare to the consistent contracts + sponsoring that some of the top BW pros were getting? If him and Nada keep winning it will happen organically without fixing.
That is possible, but at the same time hasn't it sorta been blizzard/gretech's agenda to grow SC2 as quickly as possible through massive hype and large tourneys? And also to try and shrink BW pro scene as quickly as possible?
I don't believe the match was fixed... I do believe it was convenient that they had relatively easy roads to ro8 though, and from a professional perspective I would want my tourneys not to show any sort of special treatment to anyone.
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To all the people claiming this was fixed, just stop and think for a second.Would the reward really be worth the risk? sure the more Boxer advances the better it is for them(Even though Nada advancing still helps too) but if they got caught match fixing this early into the development of Sc2 it would insta kill it. They obviously did what they could to help Boxer advance by setting up an easier bracket to the round of 8 but to say that they fixed the matches is just ridiculous.
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On November 03 2010 07:14 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
To all the people claiming this was fixed, just stop and think for a second.Would the reward really be worth the risk? sure the more Boxer advances the better it is for them(Even though Nada advancing still helps too) but if they got caught match fixing this early into the development of Sc2 it would insta kill it. They obviously did what they could to help Boxer advance by setting up an easier bracket to the round of 8 but to say that they fixed the matches is just ridiculous.
Isn't stacking a deck in someone's favor pretty bad too though? I mean it may not be as definitive as directly fixing a match but it ruins the competitive spirit behind it all.
I would like GSL to be completely transparent with how their brackets are created. I would like it to show all of the brackets before qualified players are even decided. Something like Qualifier from A-1 plays D-1 which trickles into the next bracket where the winner of that plays the winner of B-1 vs C-1 which trickles into the next bracket where the winner of that plays... so on and so forth.
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I'm guessing that the people who are accusing Boxer & Nada of match-fixing are the same conspiracy theorists who accused Fruit Dealer of cheating his way through GSL season 1... with the help of his mom's secret hand signals. His mom.
Or did people forget about that little gem already?
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lol are people seriously saying NAda/Boxer are match fixing? 2 of the most well known bw players match fix? I doubt it. They love esports they dont' want to destroy it or fuck it up. I am still surprised Boxer beat Nada though I was sure Nada would win but Nada's tvz is alot stronger then his tvt and Boxer's tvz isn't as good as Nada's sadly.
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On November 03 2010 07:12 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 07:11 Serpico wrote:On November 03 2010 07:07 robertdinh wrote:On November 03 2010 07:02 Serpico wrote:On November 03 2010 06:56 robertdinh wrote:On November 03 2010 06:55 udgnim wrote:
I find it laughable that people actually there is a possibility of match fixing in the Boxer / Nada match.
the GSL prize pool is far greater than what a match fixer would offer. how much did Savior and company get for their fixed matches? I'm pretty sure it pales in comparison to the GSL prize pool. You have to look at the bigger picture. IF they can make SC2 as popular as BW was, they stand to gain much more than a 1st place at a GSL. Do they really? Because I'm pretty sure winning makes them more money regardless. If boxer created the BW boom, it would be logical based on the following and marketing power he has, to try and recreate that feeling of nostalgia within people. Nada also has a following, but boxer's fame and contribution is still viewed as being much more significant in the growth of BW. GSL first place is a lot of money for one tournament, but does it compare to the consistent contracts + sponsoring that some of the top BW pros were getting? If him and Nada keep winning it will happen organically without fixing. That is possible, but at the same time hasn't it sorta been blizzard/gretech's agenda to grow SC2 as quickly as possible through massive hype and large tourneys? And also to try and shrink BW pro scene as quickly as possible? I don't believe the match was fixed... I do believe it was convenient that they had relatively easy roads to ro8 though, and from a professional perspective I would want my tourneys not to show any sort of special treatment to anyone.
Why risk compromising the integrity of esports? It's too hard to build a legit reputation when so many people follow traditional sports compared to how easily you'd destroy the scene by rigging brackets and matches.
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On November 03 2010 07:15 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 07:14 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
To all the people claiming this was fixed, just stop and think for a second.Would the reward really be worth the risk? sure the more Boxer advances the better it is for them(Even though Nada advancing still helps too) but if they got caught match fixing this early into the development of Sc2 it would insta kill it. They obviously did what they could to help Boxer advance by setting up an easier bracket to the round of 8 but to say that they fixed the matches is just ridiculous. Isn't stacking a deck in someone's favor pretty bad too though? I mean it may not be as definitive as directly fixing a match but it ruins the competitive spirit behind it all.
I never said it was a good thing that they set him up with an easier bracket, just pointing out that it is highly unlikely they would do any more then that...
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