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On November 03 2010 10:13 Slow Motion wrote:
Man some of you are willing to say the dumbest things instead of just admitting your boy Idra got beat straight up.
THIS a dozen times. Who gives a fuck about all this total rubbish about throwing games.
Idra to Nony on State of the Game when Nony was boasting about being the top BW foreigner;
'Yeah? Beat me on Star 2 then we'll talk.'
Idra's too proud to lose on purpose or not try and win, y'all talking shit.
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On November 03 2010 10:39 udgnim wrote:biggest disappointment in Nony vs Idra was that + Show Spoiler +there was no Idra BM. I am dissapoint.
Idra has too much respect for Tyler to BM him.
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On November 03 2010 10:53 TopOgi wrote:
idra lost to mass stalker ... he kept sending few roaches and got overwhelmed
or he doesnt wna show his play b4 dallas who knows (only he does)
I'm inclined to believe this.
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Great night of sc2, even though i got 2-0'd in my worst of 9 mu's. Can't wait for more gosucoaching sponsored nights, and a re with lz.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2010 10:51 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 10:44 Grettin wrote:On November 03 2010 10:40 Mogget wrote:On November 03 2010 10:35 Grettin wrote:On November 03 2010 10:33 JoshSuth wrote:
Ok, so IdrA accepts a showmatch to represent EG and doesn't play 100%? Also silly. Are you putting words to my mouth? did i say anything about him not playing 100%? jesus christ. By suggesting that it was a sponsor driven event that idra didnt care about (the topic you were talking about at the time) you were implying that you supported the claim that he wasnt playing at 100% wether you meant to or not, he isnt putting words in your mouth No. I didn't say anything about him not playing 100% there or didn't meant to, but guess its too hard to understand.
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Lets have a look at the arguments shall we?
the accusation:
idra didnt care about the series, therefore he didnt play 100%
the response:
idra wouldnt accept the invite if he didnt care about the series? therefore, he did care, therefore he played 100%
YOUR RESPONSE
sponsor event, hello??
what this translates to in context of the discussion at hand.
idra may have not cared about the series but have been forced to play by his sponsors, under this circumstance he did not care, and thus did not try 100%
that was the discussion at hand, that was what you said and what what you said meant, he did not put words in your mouth.
Alright alright, but one more thing: you are kinda sloppy at backing up people when you even can't seem to read the responses properly, though i must say that "thing" doesn't really say that much but if i would've wanted to say something about event, i would've used the right word. Or then im completely wrong what you meant. Wouldn't be surprise right know.
The point was that he would play because EG 'wants' so as you said. But then again, still would've just saved the tactics and that stuff to MLG thus not playing 100% obviously.
But anyway, case closed. sorry and all that. peace~
E: you might understand me horribly wrong. English isn't my first language, tired and anyway not focusing on the discussion that much i should had.
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Alright guys, nony got lucky, there is nothing else to it, nony was luckier than idra that's why he won!!! -.-
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Holy shit it's Sheth! lol, that was unexpected....
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There is no one Idra would hate to lose to more than Nony in Sc2.
If you know ANYTHING of there history then you know how much this "showmatch/Grudge match" meant to both of them.
Its been
Nony = Skill
Idra = Hrd Work for years
Nony with 3 hours a day practice still years later > idra in a best of 7 IN A NEW GAME!
To even claim idra didn't take it serious means you don't know Idra or the history of these 2 guys!
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The idea that he wouldn't care about winning this is absurd. The $/hr for this showmatch far exceeds that of MLG...or even GSL. Even if the prestige is nowhere near as significant, you would have to be an idiot to not consider $400 for an hour of work a substantial prize. You can say what you want about Idra, but he is not an idiot.
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was a great series. had a lot of fun watching it. I know the majority was probably rooting for Tyler (I was) but we should give idra a break. He had to play at a weird time of day and had to deal with playing on a server half way around the world
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On November 03 2010 11:12 metaldragon wrote:
There is no one Idra would hate to lose to more than Nony in Sc2.
If you know ANYTHING of there history then you know how much this "showmatch/Grudge match" meant to both of them.
Its been
Nony = Skill
Idra = Hrd Work for years
Nony with 3 hours a day practice still years later > idra in a best of 7 IN A NEW GAME!
To even claim idra didn't take it serious means you don't know Idra or the history of these 2 guys!
Nony is the Stork of SC2.
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I should say that IdrA also lost to some guy named dDoro. the replay's posted at sc2rep.
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On November 03 2010 11:12 metaldragon wrote:
There is no one Idra would hate to lose to more than Nony in Sc2.
If you know ANYTHING of there history then you know how much this "showmatch/Grudge match" meant to both of them.
Its been
Nony = Skill
Idra = Hrd Work for years
Nony with 3 hours a day practice still years later > idra in a best of 7 IN A NEW GAME!
To even claim idra didn't take it serious means you don't know Idra or the history of these 2 guys!
Idra acknowledges Nony as one of the only good american players. He probably hates losing to people who he considers trash (basically anyone else) more
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Server lag: People, there was none. IdrA is in U.S.
Not trying/hiding his builds:...are you kidding me? Not only was 400$/hr on the line, but so was idrA's pride, if you know about his and Nony's history.
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By the transitive theory...if i beat nony in the tl arena, and nony beat idra...i must be better than idra
Kekeke
But really. VODs not available for download yet D:
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On November 03 2010 10:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 10:49 desrow wrote:
i just dont get why all these ****** websites do showmatches and wont even release the replays. Have some advertisement said by a referee at the begening of every replay and you willget more exposure than vods with shitty caster. MAYBE if incontrol casted the showmatch it would of been interesting but now..
User was temp banned for this post. Even though I banned you for posting like a douchebag I will still reply to you in case there are others who don't get it. There are a lot of reasons why not to release replays one of them is player protection; a replay will show you a lot more than a VOD will. The other is because sponsors need VOD numbers and not replay downloads.
When I hear this, I become very glad Blizzard is controlling the ladder the way they are.
I'm glad Blizzard lets us look at player's build orders in a player's match history. I'm glad they made Blizzcon a ladder tournament, so that professionals would be encouraged to play the ladder. In fact, I hope they further incentivize ladder matches. And I can't wait for Blizzard to start releasing GSL replays. Otherwise, spectators will get screwed while the pros practice privately in custom games.
As for VOD numbers, why not release the replays a week after the games? How many people would skip watching the vods so they could watch the replays later? Certainly not enough to halt the advancement of esports. And I doubt a VOD gets many views after a week. Also, as for replays giving more information than vods, considering you can crossreference a player's BO in his match history with the VOD, how much tactical advantage is really gained.
Replays have always been my favorite part of Starcraft, and this replay hording is deeply frustrating for me. I know the shoutcasters work very hard. I respect them for that, and for their love of the game. But I hate your observing. It's probably not your fault. If you don't have the clicker, you probably won't like the other person's channel choice. But that understanding doesn't make me hate your observing one iota less.
For once, though, Blizzard is on my side. They understand that the masses make them the money. Pros might sustain the life of a game, but they don't need that until they release all their expansions. They'll make sure the game becomes more spectator-centric, and that makes me happy.
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On November 03 2010 11:12 metaldragon wrote:
There is no one Idra would hate to lose to more than Nony in Sc2.
If you know ANYTHING of there history then you know how much this "showmatch/Grudge match" meant to both of them.
Its been
Nony = Skill
Idra = Hrd Work for years
Nony with 3 hours a day practice still years later > idra in a best of 7 IN A NEW GAME!
To even claim idra didn't take it serious means you don't know Idra or the history of these 2 guys!
Nony lost to Idra in the first TSL2 set, and Nony lost to Idra in their beta match up (TLI I think.)
The point here being that it's not like Nony always rapes Idra, they have quite a rivalry, and they're both insanely skilled, it's funny to me that people like to say that Idra = no talent + tons of practice, since they obviously don't know how Idra actually got to Korea in the first place.
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On November 03 2010 11:26 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 10:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On November 03 2010 10:49 desrow wrote:
i just dont get why all these ****** websites do showmatches and wont even release the replays. Have some advertisement said by a referee at the begening of every replay and you willget more exposure than vods with shitty caster. MAYBE if incontrol casted the showmatch it would of been interesting but now..
User was temp banned for this post. Even though I banned you for posting like a douchebag I will still reply to you in case there are others who don't get it. There are a lot of reasons why not to release replays one of them is player protection; a replay will show you a lot more than a VOD will. The other is because sponsors need VOD numbers and not replay downloads. When I hear this, I become very glad Blizzard is controlling the ladder the way they are. I'm glad Blizzard lets us look at player's build orders in a player's match history. I'm glad they made Blizzcon a ladder tournament, so that professionals would be encouraged to play the ladder. In fact, I hope they further incentivize ladder matches. And I can't wait for Blizzard to start releasing GSL replays. Otherwise, spectators will get screwed while the pros practice privately in custom games. As for VOD numbers, why not release the replays a week after the games? How many people would skip watching the vods so they could watch the replays later? Certainly not enough to halt the advancement of esports. And I doubt a VOD gets many views after a week. Also, as for replays giving more information than vods, considering you can crossreference a player's BO in his match history with the VOD, how much tactical advantage is really gained. Replays have always been my favorite part of Starcraft, and this replay hording is deeply frustrating for me. I know the shoutcasters work very hard. I respect them for that, and for their love of the game. But I hate your observing. It's probably not your fault. If you don't have the clicker, you probably won't like the other person's channel choice. But that understanding doesn't make me hate your observing one iota less. For once, though, Blizzard is on my side. They understand that the masses make them the money. Pros might sustain the life of a game, but they don't need that until they release all their expansions. They'll make sure the game becomes more spectator-centric, and that makes me happy.
Except that going with your logic, there won't be anything worth spectating, and the system will be so ingrained that a month after the expansions are released the scene would be dead. Anyone who started early with BW will tell you that the days without replays were much more interesting! Also quit sitting on a highhorse regarding your personal replay watching, you don't control the camera in any other sports either, find an observer/caster you like and deal with it. It's precisely Blizzard's attitude that is going to ruin the longevity of SC2 compared to BW.
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OMG NONY
YOU REWARD ME EVEN WHEN I DON'T HAVE FAITH
<3333 TEELER
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On November 03 2010 11:21 willeesmalls wrote:
I should say that IdrA also lost to some guy named dDoro. the replay's posted at sc2rep.
Ladder match, probably? Doesn't matter, pros will lose to shit players (not that I know if dDoro is any good) in ladder matches because they use ladder to try out new builds and stuff.
Anyways, people, suck it up. Tyler played consistently better in this series, being able to overwhelm Idra and win straight up. Even if you love Idra, don't make up excuses and take away from the winner. If you think this was extremely surprising, that's a little weird. Tyler might not yet have fared as well in SC2 as in BW but he has shown a lot of good play so this outcome did not surprise me at all.
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