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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
November 03 2010 22:42 GMT
#881
On November 04 2010 06:48 Tachion wrote:
From my understanding, Nony has too many RL obligations to hunch over the computer 8 hours a day anymore.


Yes, and that is his Achilles' heel, so to speak. Nony/Tyler is like Ret in many ways, in that he's been to Korea but decided that he doesn't want to stay. Of course I'm eating those words now that Ret is going to Korea again, but with Tyler it just seems different. He's older. He's married. He has a university degree. In that he's not the same as the people willing to sacrifice virtually everything to be number one in Starcraft.

eSports may still be Tyler's career, but it's not something he's willing to drop everything else for, and he's made this clear many times. If eSports makes it big in America, and it becomes a legitimate career here, I can see Tyler going far. But if it remains a Korea-specific deal with the GSL and whatever else is coming, I don't see Tyler going over just because of that. And in that event, I don't see him reaching what he is capable of as a player who not only has good mechanics (NonY had one of the best mechanics among foreigners in BW) and tournament skills, but who also possesses an amazing ability to read his opponents, craft build orders, and exploit the meta-game.
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
November 03 2010 22:52 GMT
#882
On November 04 2010 05:30 0neder wrote:
HuK got creamed by Idra recently, and even gave up under the guise of mothership fan service because he knew he didn't have a chance against Select.


Well, after seeing HuK against Select in a recent bo5 (after MLG), I feel confident in stating that this is completely false.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
November 03 2010 22:54 GMT
#883
On November 04 2010 07:19 neoenigma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 07:02 lac29 wrote:
Very disappointing series and it almost feels like Idra didn't try at all which makes the showmatch seem stupid and pointless =(.

GO listen to teh SOTG podcast... and you'll understand what happened. Idra did try. Nony just used some semi abusive PvZ builds he collected.

The difference between Huk vs Idra and Nony vs Idra is that Nony prepared for the matchup where as Huk went in against Idra like he was just another oppoonent. Nony used builds designed perfectly for beating players like Idra. So huk will probably get better tournament results overall... and Nony will beat more zergs


My point is more like Idra should have continued instead of gg early since this is a showmatch and ppl are looking for actual game time to watch.
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
November 03 2010 23:16 GMT
#884
On November 04 2010 05:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Huk does need to learn from Tyler, as does Tyler from Huk. Everyone can learn from each other there are always new things to learn that you may not have seen before. Stop with this who is better stuff based on a single series stuff. Compare players over time you will see that there is no Protoss who has put up the results Huk has. The only player who comes close is Socke but Huk is outperforming him when it comes to major tournaments (MLG/IEM).


Stop trying to reason with them Naz they never listen (-.-)
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
November 04 2010 01:23 GMT
#885
Just watched the matches cast by Husky on starcraftarena.net

Fantastic stuff! Every time Idra went too hard on macro, Nony punished him for it. That's how it should be. Amazing FF micro and blink micro won it for him on two games as well, just awesome.

Premature GGs by Idra (he definitely could have come back in that last game), but overall a great series!
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
gods_basement
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States305 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-04 01:32:11
November 04 2010 01:31 GMT
#886
Edit: Accidental post
(TT~TT)
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
November 04 2010 10:19 GMT
#887
On November 04 2010 08:16 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 05:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Huk does need to learn from Tyler, as does Tyler from Huk. Everyone can learn from each other there are always new things to learn that you may not have seen before. Stop with this who is better stuff based on a single series stuff. Compare players over time you will see that there is no Protoss who has put up the results Huk has. The only player who comes close is Socke but Huk is outperforming him when it comes to major tournaments (MLG/IEM).


Stop trying to reason with them Naz they never listen (-.-)


Yeah, just throwing in every once in a while that this forum is full of idiots is probably the more constructive thing to do. :/
drlame
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden574 Posts
November 04 2010 11:10 GMT
#888
I love IdrA's GG timing, I mean some people wait until the opponent kills his whole army moves into his face AND kills his main building, "Maybe he won't notice my base, turn back, go to the bathroom and let me macro to 5 bases". No, not going to happen, just GG already.
bashalisk
Profile Joined September 2010
102 Posts
November 04 2010 11:31 GMT
#889
On November 04 2010 06:32 QuakerOats wrote:
LOL I hate when people say this. It's meaningless conjecture. If Nony could be #1 "easily" if he was more dedicated, why doesn't he dedicate himself more?


Because for some people, professionally playing StarCraft 2 is not their top priority.

PS. I love it how obvious things need to be pointed out in forums.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4723 Posts
November 04 2010 11:43 GMT
#890
On November 04 2010 20:31 bashalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 06:32 QuakerOats wrote:
LOL I hate when people say this. It's meaningless conjecture. If Nony could be #1 "easily" if he was more dedicated, why doesn't he dedicate himself more?


Because for some people, professionally playing StarCraft 2 is not their top priority.

PS. I love it how obvious things need to be pointed out in forums.


I am pretty sure he knows why Nony isn't doing it. He just thinks that the discussion is meaningless speculation until Nony really commits (although I think meaningless speculation is often fun^^).

In my opinion, this is also pretty obvious if you read QuakerOats full post.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
lasto
Profile Joined September 2010
141 Posts
November 04 2010 11:46 GMT
#891
On November 04 2010 07:54 lac29 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 07:19 neoenigma wrote:
On November 04 2010 07:02 lac29 wrote:
Very disappointing series and it almost feels like Idra didn't try at all which makes the showmatch seem stupid and pointless =(.

GO listen to teh SOTG podcast... and you'll understand what happened. Idra did try. Nony just used some semi abusive PvZ builds he collected.

The difference between Huk vs Idra and Nony vs Idra is that Nony prepared for the matchup where as Huk went in against Idra like he was just another oppoonent. Nony used builds designed perfectly for beating players like Idra. So huk will probably get better tournament results overall... and Nony will beat more zergs


My point is more like Idra should have continued instead of gg early since this is a showmatch and ppl are looking for actual game time to watch.


I think Idra is always that way when it comes to GG though. If he sees that he is in a huge disadvantage, he will gg right away rather than wait until the last building falls.
Personally, I would love to see Idra stick around and may be try to turn it around. But then again, most of Idra's opponent is top pros and they won't likely to let those advantages go to waste.
The series may be short but to see Nony comes up with a strategy like that is just so awesome, prop to him. I hope he does very well in Dallas.
Thug[ro]
Profile Joined October 2005
Romania340 Posts
November 04 2010 12:04 GMT
#892
gg nice games
Nony figured out this one really nice, i mean mass warp gates vs mass drones
nav148
Profile Joined October 2008
Australia42 Posts
November 04 2010 12:35 GMT
#893
Tyler's build on LT and SP was sooooo sexy. Really smart play
Tasteless: "No match on Wednesday? I guess that means I'll expand to the club and warp in some cannons there"
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
November 04 2010 13:09 GMT
#894
results arnt really that suprising imo, tyler is a beast.
hi
riverkim09
Profile Joined November 2010
United States291 Posts
November 05 2010 21:10 GMT
#895
IdrA is looking worse and worse as time progresses. By next year, he won't even qualify for gsl anymore
Eleclight
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland70 Posts
November 05 2010 21:17 GMT
#896
On November 06 2010 06:10 riverkim09 wrote:
IdrA is looking worse and worse as time progresses. By next year, he won't even qualify for gsl anymore

What are you basing this on? He did better on GSL than he did last time and he won MLG DC. The showmatch against Tyler is the only weak performance by him in a fairly long time.
Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
November 05 2010 21:24 GMT
#897
On November 06 2010 06:10 riverkim09 wrote:
IdrA is looking worse and worse as time progresses. By next year, he won't even qualify for gsl anymore


Boxer lost some games too. So I bet he's just getting worse as time goes on too. One event is obviously all you need to make an informed opinion. ^^
Life is Good.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
November 05 2010 21:25 GMT
#898
On November 06 2010 06:10 riverkim09 wrote:
IdrA is looking worse and worse as time progresses. By next year, he won't even qualify for gsl anymore


o.O Ro16 GSL, MLG DC champion...wow IdrA's sure looking off his game.
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