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Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
November 03 2010 17:32 GMT
#841
On November 04 2010 02:26 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 02:24 RyanRushia wrote:
are the replays for the following series after the main event anywhere? i couldnt find on gosucoaching

Did you even look?
That was my immediate reaction, too, but then I realized he was looking for the Machine/Hashe, Lz/ztr, and Inka/Sheth games, which I couldn't find on gosucoaching, either.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 17:34:54
November 03 2010 17:34 GMT
#842
On November 04 2010 02:32 Pyrthas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 02:26 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:24 RyanRushia wrote:
are the replays for the following series after the main event anywhere? i couldnt find on gosucoaching

Did you even look?
That was my immediate reaction, too, but then I realized he was looking for the Machine/Hashe, Lz/ztr, and Inka/Sheth games, which I couldn't find on gosucoaching, either.

Oh God Nazgul has made a mistake, the world is going to end.

edit: comma splice sup
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 17:34:34
November 03 2010 17:34 GMT
#843
My bad.
Administrator
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 17:37:28
November 03 2010 17:35 GMT
#844
On November 04 2010 02:26 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 02:24 RyanRushia wrote:
are the replays for the following series after the main event anywhere? i couldnt find on gosucoaching

Did you even look?


i checked 2 rep sites

sc2rep.net and the rep.s.163.com site, as well as gosucoaching, and there was so much arguing going on in recent posts i didnt wantt o delve all the way back

edit: and i wasnt insulting nazgul... truly couldnt find the replays
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
November 03 2010 17:36 GMT
#845
On November 04 2010 02:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 02:32 Pyrthas wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:26 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:24 RyanRushia wrote:
are the replays for the following series after the main event anywhere? i couldnt find on gosucoaching

Did you even look?
That was my immediate reaction, too, but then I realized he was looking for the Machine/Hashe, Lz/ztr, and Inka/Sheth games, which I couldn't find on gosucoaching, either.

Oh God Nazgul has made a mistake, the world is going to end.
I didn't mean to be calling him out or anything, but I can see that "but then I realized" could be read that way. My bad!
Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 17:39:53
November 03 2010 17:38 GMT
#846
On November 04 2010 02:31 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 02:21 Jibba wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:07 Talin wrote:
On November 04 2010 01:49 Samhax wrote:I think idra lost because he wasn't prepare to all this 1 base or 1.5base all-in build.


I sincerely doubt that. If he wasn't prepared for pushes like these, what was he prepared for and what did he expect to Tyler to do? I don't think the way games developed surprised anybody, least of all Idra.

There's a theoretical solution for every problem in Starcraft. Sure Idra could go for a less macro-oriented game to "counter" what Nony did. He just doesn't want to. It puts him out of his comfort zone, prevents him from doing what he excels at, and Tyler would have a clear advantage over him in any sort of micro oriented early clash.

>.> He specifically said he wasn't prepared for that timing with that size of an army. Nony only made 2 geysers and had 2 probes/patch, which made his attack more all-inish than most timing attacks but gave him a better army. It's not that IdrA can't handle all-ins or timing pushes, this was just an exact timing that he was unfamiliar with, and Nony's execution was damn near perfect.


I do agree with that. The way I understood the post I replied to, though, led me to believe it was referring more to Tyler's general intention of going all-inish than the exact structure of his strategies.

On the other hand, Idra also played pretty much on razor's edge, deliberately taking the risks for the near-sure win if he manages to repel the first attack.


It was obvious that Nony's build were very unique and executed perfectly, i put them them in the 2 base 6 gate because it was more easy for me to describe them. But the optimisation of the army size/composition and the eco management were really unique.
optical630
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom768 Posts
November 03 2010 17:38 GMT
#847
gotta say that was pathetic play by idra
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
November 03 2010 17:44 GMT
#848
On November 04 2010 02:36 Pyrthas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 02:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:32 Pyrthas wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:26 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:24 RyanRushia wrote:
are the replays for the following series after the main event anywhere? i couldnt find on gosucoaching

Did you even look?
That was my immediate reaction, too, but then I realized he was looking for the Machine/Hashe, Lz/ztr, and Inka/Sheth games, which I couldn't find on gosucoaching, either.

Oh God Nazgul has made a mistake, the world is going to end.
I didn't mean to be calling him out or anything, but I can see that "but then I realized" could be read that way. My bad!

Haha yeah it's just that Nazgul usually has no imperfections (except his relationship w/ the ring)
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Daedie
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium160 Posts
November 03 2010 17:54 GMT
#849
Just got a chance to watch. Surprised but happy to see Tyler win . You the man.
I like turtles
FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
November 03 2010 18:03 GMT
#850
On November 04 2010 02:01 Liquid`HayprO wrote:
this is so sad to read.


I really don't mean to be disrespectful in any way, but how are one-liners of this kind supposed to help? I for one would be highly interested to read high level players' and knowledgeable commentators' take on the series amidst all this "anarchy"; it can be hard to know what to make of a set of games sometimes, and it would be nice to get some informed opinions to consider. It would keep up the thread quality and benefit everyone in the community who wants to learn something. At least you could specify what about the posts here is so terrible. Otherwise you'll just randomly make people who posted here feel bad and leave them clueless as to why.
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
November 03 2010 18:09 GMT
#851
Tyler played so well. He made such gosu timing pushes and did the smart thing by not playing for the late game. Very well played series.
Lomak
Profile Joined June 2010
United States311 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 18:11:43
November 03 2010 18:09 GMT
#852
I'm no pro by any means but, on shakuras when Idra's overseer scouted nony's main / natural he saw a lot of warpgates, no gas at expo, and no robo. At that moment wouldn't it be ideal to get the hydra den down and start preparing for a strong warpgate push. Couple more spines and some hydra's behind those roaches , along with cutting drone production and I think he could of held off.

Anyways, I very much enjoyed the series even with the unexpected outcome. Well played tyler and GL to both of you in Dallas. I will look forward to a Idra / Nony finals =)
Some see the glass half full, others half empty. I think the glass is just too big.
rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
November 03 2010 18:15 GMT
#853
On November 04 2010 02:31 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 02:21 Jibba wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:07 Talin wrote:
On November 04 2010 01:49 Samhax wrote:I think idra lost because he wasn't prepare to all this 1 base or 1.5base all-in build.


I sincerely doubt that. If he wasn't prepared for pushes like these, what was he prepared for and what did he expect to Tyler to do? I don't think the way games developed surprised anybody, least of all Idra.

There's a theoretical solution for every problem in Starcraft. Sure Idra could go for a less macro-oriented game to "counter" what Nony did. He just doesn't want to. It puts him out of his comfort zone, prevents him from doing what he excels at, and Tyler would have a clear advantage over him in any sort of micro oriented early clash.

>.> He specifically said he wasn't prepared for that timing with that size of an army. Nony only made 2 geysers and had 2 probes/patch, which made his attack more all-inish than most timing attacks but gave him a better army. It's not that IdrA can't handle all-ins or timing pushes, this was just an exact timing that he was unfamiliar with, and Nony's execution was damn near perfect.


I do agree with that. The way I understood the post I replied to, though, led me to believe it was referring more to Tyler's general intention of going all-inish than the exact structure of his strategies.

On the other hand, Idra also played pretty much on razor's edge, deliberately taking the risks for the near-sure win if he manages to repel the first attack.


Reminds me of TSL2, particularly the last game in their series. IdrA bunker expands, Nony comes out with an awesome 2 gates in the middle of the map timing push. Nony is the master at throwing together a timing attack.
Sweet.
neoenigma
Profile Joined October 2010
United States243 Posts
November 03 2010 18:20 GMT
#854
On November 04 2010 03:09 Lomak wrote:
I'm no pro by any means but, on shakuras when Idra's overseer scouted nony's main / natural he saw a lot of warpgates, no gas at expo, and no robo. At that moment wouldn't it be ideal to get the hydra den down and start preparing for a strong warpgate push. Couple more spines and some hydra's behind those roaches , along with cutting drone production and I think he could of held off.

Anyways, I very much enjoyed the series even with the unexpected outcome. Well played tyler and GL to both of you in Dallas. I will look forward to a Idra / Nony finals =)

Doubt that's going to happen. These builds were designed to cripple a zerg in the mid-game before zerg has a chance to explode macro-wise. These builds may work perfectly against a player like Idra... but Idra isn't the only one going to MLG.

Against other protoss and terran players.... Nony will need something else. I expect he will do well but perhaps not the finals. Would be nice though. I expect there are very few toss players going to MLG who could pull off those builds so perfectly... so Idra will probably progress to the finals again without too much trouble.
roliax
Profile Joined May 2010
135 Posts
November 03 2010 18:29 GMT
#855
Despite a somewhat boring series, Husky's commentating is simply too good.

"Apparently this is the way to beat IdrA, you get out 2 void rays, IdrA wont' scout it and you win!"

LMAO.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 03 2010 18:29 GMT
#856
On November 04 2010 02:44 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2010 02:36 Pyrthas wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:34 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:32 Pyrthas wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:26 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On November 04 2010 02:24 RyanRushia wrote:
are the replays for the following series after the main event anywhere? i couldnt find on gosucoaching

Did you even look?
That was my immediate reaction, too, but then I realized he was looking for the Machine/Hashe, Lz/ztr, and Inka/Sheth games, which I couldn't find on gosucoaching, either.

Oh God Nazgul has made a mistake, the world is going to end.
I didn't mean to be calling him out or anything, but I can see that "but then I realized" could be read that way. My bad!

Haha yeah it's just that Nazgul usually has no imperfections (except his relationship w/ the ring)


It wasn't a mistake. Nazgul was merely attempting to appear human. He does it every now and then. Don't be fooled.
mesohawny
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada193 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 18:41:09
November 03 2010 18:38 GMT
#857
that blink stalker micro was actually one of the most impressively micro'd battles i've seen in SC2 and it really gives me a lot of hope for the future of the game and nony as a player.

props to nony for curbstomping idra and making it look easy.

hopefully eventually we'll see some fpvods from nony in SC2 like he did for BW.
love you long time
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
November 03 2010 18:57 GMT
#858
Timings were ludicrous. Just exceptional. As a Zerg player, I have a great deal of fear building in my chest.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
November 03 2010 19:08 GMT
#859
GJ Nony! You should go to Korea =P
Progamertwitter.com/welmu1 | twitch.com/Welmu1
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
November 03 2010 19:10 GMT
#860
woah.. Way to go Nony.. Cant wait to watch these. Lots of games to watch from this week!
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
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