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MaleficOR
Profile Joined May 2010
United States315 Posts
November 03 2010 01:23 GMT
#621
Whether he did it intentionally or not, IdrA played standard every game and NonY just revealed all of his strats that IdrA will no doubt be studying.

Good luck to both at MLG Dallas.
Its ihdra, like the beginning of idiot- IdrA
Huko
Profile Joined April 2010
United States324 Posts
November 03 2010 01:23 GMT
#622
Who won first match of HasHe vs Machine?
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
November 03 2010 01:24 GMT
#623
On November 03 2010 10:23 Huko wrote:
Who won first match of HasHe vs Machine?

Machine.
I cant stop lactating
defuzas
Profile Joined July 2009
248 Posts
November 03 2010 01:24 GMT
#624
^ and idra will continue playing standard imo
-Strider-
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico1605 Posts
November 03 2010 01:24 GMT
#625
On November 03 2010 10:23 Huko wrote:
Who won first match of HasHe vs Machine?

Machine
What is up? IM NESTEAAAA!
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
November 03 2010 01:25 GMT
#626
On November 03 2010 10:18 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 10:13 JoshSuth wrote:
I love how if IdrA had won, everyone would just be like "IdrA > all foreigners. Boring."

The fact that the underdog won in convincing fashion is enough to appreciate the series. Those saying IdrA doesn't care about the showmatch... why would he even bother accepting? You play to win the game.



Sponsor thing, hello??



But you are right too. Horrible series imo. Nony played well tho.


Hello??? Evil Geniuses are not the same thing as GosuCoaching. They are separate entities. IdrA didn't have to accept, and to suggest that he would not play at 100% to try to win would be silly.
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Happy.fairytail
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States327 Posts
November 03 2010 01:25 GMT
#627
On November 03 2010 10:23 MaleficOR wrote:
Whether he did it intentionally or not, IdrA played standard every game and NonY just revealed all of his strats that IdrA will no doubt be studying.

Good luck to both at MLG Dallas.


Screw that, I bet Nony feels like he already won MLG
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
November 03 2010 01:26 GMT
#628
I'm skeptical of the allegations that IdrA was sand-bagging (not playing for the win / revealing MLG plans).

First of all, very specific preparation based on individual opponents' builds isn't as beneficial in the MLG format as it would be in a Starleague, since in MLG players must mow through a gauntlet of countless different opponents from different backgrounds. Even if IdrA retains a few "secret" ZvP builds, it'd be impractical to save them for Tyler, since he'll probably face a host of strong Protoss before or instead of Tyler. If he doesn't save them for Tyler, it's likely he'll reveal his all-out style against some other Protoss, and then Tyler can study those replays.

Second, both players' preparations are to some degree available to each other due to match history tracking. It's futile to hide what you've practiced because anyone can find out what you've practiced anyways.

To be fair, one could allege that either of the players invested more specific, player-sniping practice into this series than the other. Focused preparation for a single series obviously bears fruit in that series, but may not be useful in an event like MLG. I still don't think this was the case, though, since the play that both IdrA and Tyler fielded both looked valid and dangerous, regardless of the target player.
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FrogOfWar
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1406 Posts
November 03 2010 01:28 GMT
#629
On November 03 2010 10:10 FeeL_ThE_RusH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 10:07 Ezze wrote:
That definitely didn't feel right. IdrA seemed like he could care less about the match. Nothing impressive by Tyler aside from game 1 force fields.


Blink stalker play on Xel'Naga? Reading the ridiculously predictable roach/ling all-in on BS? Great timing push and FFs on Shakuras? Nony had him read in every game...




Are you saying that IdrA's play on BS was "ridiculously predictable" and that reading it was impressive by Tyler? In the same sentence? Rly?
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 01:31:19
November 03 2010 01:30 GMT
#630
On November 03 2010 10:23 MaleficOR wrote:
Whether he did it intentionally or not, IdrA played standard every game and NonY just revealed all of his strats that IdrA will no doubt be studying.

Good luck to both at MLG Dallas.


I don't think anyone of us has been in Tyler's mind to be able to tell whether he "revealed all his strats". Personally, I think all of these were pretty much exclusively anti-Idra strats and that they wouldn't really be adequate against a different sort of player (or just a different player).

Besides, it's not really like we've seen some groundbreaking PvZ strats that were there to be "revealed". Most were standard well-known Protoss pushes tweaked to punish the way Idra (always) plays and they were executed on a sufficiently high level to beat him.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
November 03 2010 01:31 GMT
#631
replays where how when and why?
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
November 03 2010 01:32 GMT
#632
On November 03 2010 10:25 JoshSuth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 10:18 Grettin wrote:
On November 03 2010 10:13 JoshSuth wrote:
I love how if IdrA had won, everyone would just be like "IdrA > all foreigners. Boring."

The fact that the underdog won in convincing fashion is enough to appreciate the series. Those saying IdrA doesn't care about the showmatch... why would he even bother accepting? You play to win the game.



Sponsor thing, hello??



But you are right too. Horrible series imo. Nony played well tho.


Hello??? Evil Geniuses are not the same thing as GosuCoaching. They are separate entities. IdrA didn't have to accept, and to suggest that he would not play at 100% to try to win would be silly.


Who said anything about GC?

Idra could play a game to promote EG. That was the case i was kinda talking about. And hopefully you aren't saying that i said anything about the last sentence of your post.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
November 03 2010 01:33 GMT
#633
Ok, so IdrA accepts a showmatch to represent EG and doesn't play 100%? Also silly.
Heroes, Hearthstone, and SC2 videos: http://www.youtube.com/AskJoshy
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
November 03 2010 01:33 GMT
#634
Honestly surprised Tyler won. Either way, I like both players so it doesn't matter.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
November 03 2010 01:34 GMT
#635
Every strategy Nony employed on IdrA has been done before against IdrA or other zergs that play similarly in GSL or other tourneys.

What makes IdrA have enough units to hold off a blink stalker push in a tourney, but nut a showmatch, is unknown though.

I also have no idea why he opened with a weak roach/spine push on the first match... something I have only seen him do when he's ahead..
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 01:35:51
November 03 2010 01:34 GMT
#636
On November 03 2010 10:28 FrogOfWar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2010 10:10 FeeL_ThE_RusH wrote:
On November 03 2010 10:07 Ezze wrote:
That definitely didn't feel right. IdrA seemed like he could care less about the match. Nothing impressive by Tyler aside from game 1 force fields.


Blink stalker play on Xel'Naga? Reading the ridiculously predictable roach/ling all-in on BS? Great timing push and FFs on Shakuras? Nony had him read in every game...




Are you saying that IdrA's play on BS was "ridiculously predictable" and that reading it was impressive by Tyler? In the same sentence? Rly?


He actually doesnt state it was impressive, just that he did it, he says his timing push and ff's were impressive, aside from that everything he says is descriptive rather than evaluative
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 01:37:04
November 03 2010 01:35 GMT
#637
On November 03 2010 10:33 JoshSuth wrote:
Ok, so IdrA accepts a showmatch to represent EG and doesn't play 100%? Also silly.


Are you putting words to my mouth?

did i say anything about him not playing 100%? jesus christ.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
November 03 2010 01:35 GMT
#638
We uploaded (thanks Jodo!) all the VOD's up to our fileplay. Just waiting for them to encode.

Here are SPOILER FREE links to the Fileplay VOD's. They won't work right when i post this but very soon

[image loading] Liquid`Tyler vs. [image loading] IdrA
+ Show Spoiler +

Game 1
Game 2
Game 3
Game 4
Game 5
Game 6
Game 7

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GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-03 01:38:05
November 03 2010 01:37 GMT
#639
Some of you guys would do good writing conspiracy theories

iNkA vs. Stalife coming up next.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
November 03 2010 01:38 GMT
#640
On November 03 2010 10:35 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
We uploaded (thanks Jodo!) all the VOD's up to our fileplay. Just waiting for them to encode.

Here are SPOILER FREE links to the Fileplay VOD's. They won't work right when i post this but very soon

[image loading] Liquid`Tyler vs. [image loading] IdrA
+ Show Spoiler +

Game 1
Game 2
Game 3
Game 4
Game 5
Game 6
Game 7



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