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Lol I just get the feeling Nony practiced harder for this than MLG just so he could beat Nony like he did in TSL and backing up his smack on SOTG. gj Tyler!
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Ok so the VOD's have all encoded, some still have to get the HD encoding done but here's the links again:
Here are SPOILER FREE links to the Fileplay VOD's. Some might be lacking HD
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all of you who are saying idra was hiding strategies are hilarious, idra doesn't have strategies
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wow, does nony even play sc2? 4-1 is rape :D
good shit
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On November 03 2010 11:36 Armathai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 11:26 -_- wrote:On November 03 2010 10:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On November 03 2010 10:49 desrow wrote:
i just dont get why all these ****** websites do showmatches and wont even release the replays. Have some advertisement said by a referee at the begening of every replay and you willget more exposure than vods with shitty caster. MAYBE if incontrol casted the showmatch it would of been interesting but now..
User was temp banned for this post. Even though I banned you for posting like a douchebag I will still reply to you in case there are others who don't get it. There are a lot of reasons why not to release replays one of them is player protection; a replay will show you a lot more than a VOD will. The other is because sponsors need VOD numbers and not replay downloads. When I hear this, I become very glad Blizzard is controlling the ladder the way they are. I'm glad Blizzard lets us look at player's build orders in a player's match history. I'm glad they made Blizzcon a ladder tournament, so that professionals would be encouraged to play the ladder. In fact, I hope they further incentivize ladder matches. And I can't wait for Blizzard to start releasing GSL replays. Otherwise, spectators will get screwed while the pros practice privately in custom games. As for VOD numbers, why not release the replays a week after the games? How many people would skip watching the vods so they could watch the replays later? Certainly not enough to halt the advancement of esports. And I doubt a VOD gets many views after a week. Also, as for replays giving more information than vods, considering you can crossreference a player's BO in his match history with the VOD, how much tactical advantage is really gained. Replays have always been my favorite part of Starcraft, and this replay hording is deeply frustrating for me. I know the shoutcasters work very hard. I respect them for that, and for their love of the game. But I hate your observing. It's probably not your fault. If you don't have the clicker, you probably won't like the other person's channel choice. But that understanding doesn't make me hate your observing one iota less. For once, though, Blizzard is on my side. They understand that the masses make them the money. Pros might sustain the life of a game, but they don't need that until they release all their expansions. They'll make sure the game becomes more spectator-centric, and that makes me happy. Except that going with your logic, there won't be anything worth spectating, and the system will be so ingrained that a month after the expansions are released the scene would be dead. Anyone who started early with BW will tell you that the days without replays were much more interesting! Also quit sitting on a highhorse regarding your personal replay watching, you don't control the camera in any other sports either, find an observer/caster you like and deal with it. It's precisely Blizzard's attitude that is going to ruin the longevity of SC2 compared to BW.
I started early in BW. Some pros will tell you they liked the scene more before replays. I'm not arguing that. But I think replays are an awesome feature, and Blizzard thought the majority of fans felt that way as well.
Regarding camera control in other sports, in other sports nearly all the action can be captured on one screen. What's more, they have much, much better broadcast teams and productions. That's not an insult to esport commentators, but it's just the way it is, and it's the reason why sports commentating is more palatable. Finally, esports is not football. It comes with different expectations. In football, only insiders get to watch game from all the cool camera angles. But football is not starcraft.
Maybe if USA SC broadcasts were as good as Korean ones, I could stand living without replays. But it's not. And my only consolation is that what Blizzard has done so far suggests to me that Blizzard understands my POV.
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On November 03 2010 11:47 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 11:36 Armathai wrote:On November 03 2010 11:26 -_- wrote:On November 03 2010 10:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On November 03 2010 10:49 desrow wrote:
i just dont get why all these ****** websites do showmatches and wont even release the replays. Have some advertisement said by a referee at the begening of every replay and you willget more exposure than vods with shitty caster. MAYBE if incontrol casted the showmatch it would of been interesting but now..
User was temp banned for this post. Even though I banned you for posting like a douchebag I will still reply to you in case there are others who don't get it. There are a lot of reasons why not to release replays one of them is player protection; a replay will show you a lot more than a VOD will. The other is because sponsors need VOD numbers and not replay downloads. When I hear this, I become very glad Blizzard is controlling the ladder the way they are. I'm glad Blizzard lets us look at player's build orders in a player's match history. I'm glad they made Blizzcon a ladder tournament, so that professionals would be encouraged to play the ladder. In fact, I hope they further incentivize ladder matches. And I can't wait for Blizzard to start releasing GSL replays. Otherwise, spectators will get screwed while the pros practice privately in custom games. As for VOD numbers, why not release the replays a week after the games? How many people would skip watching the vods so they could watch the replays later? Certainly not enough to halt the advancement of esports. And I doubt a VOD gets many views after a week. Also, as for replays giving more information than vods, considering you can crossreference a player's BO in his match history with the VOD, how much tactical advantage is really gained. Replays have always been my favorite part of Starcraft, and this replay hording is deeply frustrating for me. I know the shoutcasters work very hard. I respect them for that, and for their love of the game. But I hate your observing. It's probably not your fault. If you don't have the clicker, you probably won't like the other person's channel choice. But that understanding doesn't make me hate your observing one iota less. For once, though, Blizzard is on my side. They understand that the masses make them the money. Pros might sustain the life of a game, but they don't need that until they release all their expansions. They'll make sure the game becomes more spectator-centric, and that makes me happy. Except that going with your logic, there won't be anything worth spectating, and the system will be so ingrained that a month after the expansions are released the scene would be dead. Anyone who started early with BW will tell you that the days without replays were much more interesting! Also quit sitting on a highhorse regarding your personal replay watching, you don't control the camera in any other sports either, find an observer/caster you like and deal with it. It's precisely Blizzard's attitude that is going to ruin the longevity of SC2 compared to BW. I started early in BW. Some pros will tell you they liked the scene more before replays. I'm not arguing that. But I think replays are an awesome feature, and Blizzard thought the majority of fans felt that way as well. Regarding camera control in other sports, in other sports nearly all the action can be captured on one screen. What's more, they have much, much better broadcast teams and productions. That's not an insult to esport commentators, but it's just the way it is, and it's the reason why sports commentating is more palatable. Finally, esports is not football. It comes with different expectations. In football, only insiders get to watch game from all the cool camera angles. But football is not starcraft. Maybe if USA SC broadcasts were as good as Korean ones, I could stand living without replays. But it's not. And my only consolation is that what Blizzard has done so far suggests to me that Blizzard understands my POV.
i think this guy is either joking or 100% arrogant
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Well, tbh I think that the game would be quite SICK without replays
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Thank you so much for the vods they will help my PvZ alot. I really appreciate you guys putting on awesome showmatches  .
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ok I'm watching the games. game 1 and 2 were pretty awkward. Game 3 was blink stalkers, and I'm not sure how it works, but game 4 seemed standard, and I think that Roach/Hydra is the correct response to 5 gate no tech pushes on 2 bases.
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amazing games thanks for doing these guys, hope to see more like it
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On November 03 2010 11:45 Kraznaya wrote:
all of you who are saying idra was hiding strategies are hilarious, idra doesn't have strategies It's true, he never thinks about what he's doing or why he's doing it. That's why he wins so much! Wait, what?
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On November 03 2010 11:47 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 11:36 Armathai wrote:On November 03 2010 11:26 -_- wrote:On November 03 2010 10:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On November 03 2010 10:49 desrow wrote:
i just dont get why all these ****** websites do showmatches and wont even release the replays. Have some advertisement said by a referee at the begening of every replay and you willget more exposure than vods with shitty caster. MAYBE if incontrol casted the showmatch it would of been interesting but now..
User was temp banned for this post. Even though I banned you for posting like a douchebag I will still reply to you in case there are others who don't get it. There are a lot of reasons why not to release replays one of them is player protection; a replay will show you a lot more than a VOD will. The other is because sponsors need VOD numbers and not replay downloads. When I hear this, I become very glad Blizzard is controlling the ladder the way they are. I'm glad Blizzard lets us look at player's build orders in a player's match history. I'm glad they made Blizzcon a ladder tournament, so that professionals would be encouraged to play the ladder. In fact, I hope they further incentivize ladder matches. And I can't wait for Blizzard to start releasing GSL replays. Otherwise, spectators will get screwed while the pros practice privately in custom games. As for VOD numbers, why not release the replays a week after the games? How many people would skip watching the vods so they could watch the replays later? Certainly not enough to halt the advancement of esports. And I doubt a VOD gets many views after a week. Also, as for replays giving more information than vods, considering you can crossreference a player's BO in his match history with the VOD, how much tactical advantage is really gained. Replays have always been my favorite part of Starcraft, and this replay hording is deeply frustrating for me. I know the shoutcasters work very hard. I respect them for that, and for their love of the game. But I hate your observing. It's probably not your fault. If you don't have the clicker, you probably won't like the other person's channel choice. But that understanding doesn't make me hate your observing one iota less. For once, though, Blizzard is on my side. They understand that the masses make them the money. Pros might sustain the life of a game, but they don't need that until they release all their expansions. They'll make sure the game becomes more spectator-centric, and that makes me happy. Except that going with your logic, there won't be anything worth spectating, and the system will be so ingrained that a month after the expansions are released the scene would be dead. Anyone who started early with BW will tell you that the days without replays were much more interesting! Also quit sitting on a highhorse regarding your personal replay watching, you don't control the camera in any other sports either, find an observer/caster you like and deal with it. It's precisely Blizzard's attitude that is going to ruin the longevity of SC2 compared to BW. I started early in BW. Some pros will tell you they liked the scene more before replays. I'm not arguing that. But I think replays are an awesome feature, and Blizzard thought the majority of fans felt that way as well. Regarding camera control in other sports, in other sports nearly all the action can be captured on one screen. What's more, they have much, much better broadcast teams and productions. That's not an insult to esport commentators, but it's just the way it is, and it's the reason why sports commentating is more palatable. Finally, esports is not football. It comes with different expectations. In football, only insiders get to watch game from all the cool camera angles. But football is not starcraft. Maybe if USA SC broadcasts were as good as Korean ones, I could stand living without replays. But it's not. And my only consolation is that what Blizzard has done so far suggests to me that Blizzard understands my POV.
E-Sports are sports, SC2 is not football because people like you relegate it to that status. It shouldn't come with different expectations. So instead of pressuring Blizzard into giving more incentives for better Casters/Production teams you support them in denying the longevity of creative game play. English broadcasts could easily be as good if there were paid expert commentators(here is where Bliz could invest) , but instead we're just whining at the people who try their best and beg for the short term relief of replays, while professionals lose incentive to come up with new builds.
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Everyone who keeps commenting that Idra was hiding his builds for MLG is seriously mistaking the value of that tournament to the 400$ that this match could've brought him, with a lot less variables offered. Not to mention the personal victory that Idra could've achieved.
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Nony is so multifaceted. I love that he can play one of about 10 builds in any given game. Makes for a lot of variety. Normally its hard to be very good at that level this early in a games life by being so diverse, but he seems to be quite good at it right now. His profile doesn't show much practice at all.. I know about all the rumours about him not practicing all that much, but for some reason I just have a hard time believing it given how crisp his build executions are.
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Production value speaking, everything we have thus far in E-Sports is very amateur. Cable networks like OGN and MBC run a pretty tight ship, but even then there are technical difficulties because of all the hardware involved, i.e. Flash versus Jaedong power outage final.
In replays, sure you can view everything you want at your own discretion. This is a huge problem with inexperienced observers. I doubt -_- was joking as there is a lot of truth in what he said. When replays were first introduced, a lot of the top players cringed at the thought of it and now many have grown to accept it as a valid tool for improving, meh.
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On November 02 2010 13:39 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 13:08 Newbistic wrote:
Who are going to be casting these matches? Looks like Raelcun and Makh, just waiting on Makh to confirm. Does anyone else kind of see this as fitting for the same day Boxer vs. Nada is going down? 2 Korean BW legends and 2 BW Foreign legends, but all in SCII ! Also mandatory poll for a match like this: Poll: Who will end up winning from this TSL 2 rematch?IdrA - : 4-1 (74) 25% IdrA - : 4-0 (49) 17% IdrA - : 4-2 (47) 16% Liquid`Tyler - 4-1 (33) 11% Liquid`Tyler - 4-3 (33) 11% Liquid`Tyler- 4-0 (29) 10% Liquid`Tyler - 4-2 (20) 7% IdrA - : 4-3 (11) 4% 296 total votes Your vote: Who will end up winning from this TSL 2 rematch? (Vote): Liquid`Tyler- 4-0
(Vote): Liquid`Tyler - 4-1
(Vote): Liquid`Tyler - 4-2
(Vote): Liquid`Tyler - 4-3
(Vote): IdrA - : 4-0
(Vote): IdrA - : 4-1
(Vote): IdrA - : 4-2
(Vote): IdrA - : 4-3
lol? grats tyler! hope you go to GSL!!!
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gg idra fans. NONY FIGHTING!
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So I didn't watch, but basically Idra failed to scout the entire series and got punished for it?
next you're going to tell me that HDStarcraft 6pools him twice and sends him to losers, he's got to do better than that.
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The degradation of SC2 live report threads is really bad. TL is better than this. Every other post is bashing either a player or fans. Pathetic.
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On November 03 2010 10:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 10:49 desrow wrote:
i just dont get why all these ****** websites do showmatches and wont even release the replays. Have some advertisement said by a referee at the begening of every replay and you willget more exposure than vods with shitty caster. MAYBE if incontrol casted the showmatch it would of been interesting but now..
User was temp banned for this post. Even though I banned you for posting like a douchebag I will still reply to you in case there are others who don't get it. There are a lot of reasons why not to release replays one of them is player protection; a replay will show you a lot more than a VOD will. The other is because sponsors need VOD numbers and not replay downloads.
This was very true in BW, but in SC2 most casters leave the production observer tool open almost all game long, which makes it trivially easy to copy every little detail off a build order--with or without the replay. Having an in-game clock above the minimap makes it so you can even sync them up game-time without too much effort.
Moreover, you can also see a player's hotkeys along the bottom of the screen whenever a caster has their forces selected, so a VOD won't even hide that. And if the caster happened to not have the production tab open for some odd reason, you can still check their match history for the exact BO and timings.
Wanting your VODs to get hits for sponsors, though, is still a perfectly legitimate reason to hold on to the replays.
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Just finished watching the series. Great play by Idra. I really hope Nony can continue with the success and put on an impressive performance at MLG. He showed he has the skills to take the whole tournament.
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