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On October 02 2010 21:50 DminusTerran wrote:
yet people seem to be so willing to attribute those wins to Morrow's level of play/gamesense and not show the same deference to Fruitdealer with these games here. Rampant hypocrisy is on the loose. I haven't seen anyone diss Fruit's play. By large people are amazed by him. I think the general consensus however is that a perfect zerg will lose to a very skilled terran. So while we had a perfect zerg here, we didn't see a very skilled terran. I only watched games 4 and 5, but wow at losing reapers into smoke, not repairing his barracks twice, losing dropships to infestors when apparently that happened in games 1-3 too. No doubt ITR can play a lot better than he did.
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ITR was so dominant in the other rounds...very strange to see him play that way...and I dont think morrow would do a better job...
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awesome display of zerg skills gratz
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On October 02 2010 22:00 wrgrbl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 21:50 DminusTerran wrote:
yet people seem to be so willing to attribute those wins to Morrow's level of play/gamesense and not show the same deference to Fruitdealer with these games here. Rampant hypocrisy is on the loose. I haven't seen anyone diss Fruit's play. By large people are amazed by him. I think the general consensus however is that a perfect zerg will lose to a very skilled terran. So while we had a perfect zerg here, we didn't see a very skilled terran.
I'm of the opinion that this seeming belief that there are foreign Terrans that outstrip, the top level players(terran ones that is) we've seen in this tournament is a fallacy.
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"thank you rainbow, for making zerg look good" Idra on twitter.
I can't believe he's crying instead of just enjoying a fantastic performance from cool. Losing respect for Idra.
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ITR Looked nervous while he was being brought up to the booth, i thought he would lose by the look on his face. Almost like a nervous fighter walking into a ring.
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On October 02 2010 22:02 DminusTerran wrote:
I'm of the opinion that this seeming belief that there are foreign Terrans that outstrip, the top level players(terran ones that is) we've seen in this tournament is a fallacy. I'm not disagreeing with that. But chances are any top level terran regardless of nationality would probably not have fallen apart like that. Even ITR probably wouldn't have if he had pulled off game 1 or 2.
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On October 02 2010 22:03 UnholyRai wrote:
"thank you rainbow, for making zerg look good" Idra on twitter.
I can't believe he's crying instead of just enjoying a fantastic performance from cool. Losing respect for Idra.
What a stupid and disrespectful comment. When is he gonna learn to shut up?
User was warned for this post
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On October 02 2010 22:06 wrgrbl wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 22:02 DminusTerran wrote:
I'm of the opinion that this seeming belief that there are foreign Terrans that outstrip, the top level players(terran ones that is) we've seen in this tournament is a fallacy. I'm not disagreeing with that. But chances are any top level terran regardless of nationality would probably not have fallen apart like that. Even ITR probably wouldn't have if he had pulled off game 1 or 2.
I'm not arguing that at all. In fact what you describe is the basis of my argument against people saying *insert notable terran here* would've done significantly better(perhaps taken the series) in ITR's position.
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On October 02 2010 21:22 _vladimir_ wrote:
Yes yes, both Morrow and TLO would own Cool in finals and take it easy, same as TLO and Idra did in their rounds of 32, oh wait..
No disrespect to them, but i'm sick of people spaming with comments like "If that XY player was playing, he would do this and that"...yeah well why didn't he?
Stop overrating non Korean players, and underrating Korean players.I'm really curious to see when will non Korean manage to get in ro8/semis, considering how people talk about them, like they are Gods of Starcraft...
what are u talking about???
so because itr is in the final of gsl his reaper micro is the best in the world?
dude, he played the perfect strategie agains fe and lost because of his horribe reaper controll and yes if i see i.e. morrows reaper controll or some other guys, they would have take down cool in this situation, since his survive was only possible if terran mess up, exactly what itr did
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On October 02 2010 22:06 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 22:03 UnholyRai wrote:
"thank you rainbow, for making zerg look good" Idra on twitter.
I can't believe he's crying instead of just enjoying a fantastic performance from cool. Losing respect for Idra. What a stupid and disrespectful comment. When is he gonna learn to shut up?
Never as long as he gets attention from it 
Edit: I realise me replying is contradicting myself!
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On October 02 2010 22:06 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 22:03 UnholyRai wrote:
"thank you rainbow, for making zerg look good" Idra on twitter.
I can't believe he's crying instead of just enjoying a fantastic performance from cool. Losing respect for Idra. What a stupid and disrespectful comment. When is he gonna learn to shut up?
Agreed 100%
It seems he can't accept that someone is much better than him at using Zerg and blames the opponents, how pathetic
Anyway Fruit Dealer is an awesome dude and deserves his win, I wish him good luck in the future
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Uhm i agree with IdrA for some, but Cool played really good. And IdrA knows it (he didn't deny that anyway ^^), but he's right that ITR played not good and made Cool look like a god.
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Is Idra that wrong? Honestly, we have seen a lot better games from ITR so far...
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On October 02 2010 21:46 Copenap wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 21:18 Somi wrote:On October 02 2010 21:16 Copenap wrote:On October 02 2010 21:12 Pudge_172 wrote:
Does EVERYONE have to qualify for Season 2 or do the top 4 or top 8 automatically get in? I think they all ave to qualify again for the first 3 seasons. Next year when the "real" GSL starts there will be seeting based on the result of the first 3 preseasons. And thats why its important for Blizzard to balance things out a more....I'd like to see near equal representation of races when the GSL season starts. I think you have to go with a different aproach. Id like to see a representation of the true distribution. Since I suppose it's an uneven distribution with less Z than T and P top players, there should be less Z in the GSL. Meaning that if there are only 20% top players playing Z (just made that figure up) there should only be 20% Z in the GSL.
Word.
The overall distribution between races is not 33/33/33%. Logically, this means less Zergs will qualify through the sheer evil of probability and statistics.
Regardless, the biggest imbalance facing zerg is the fact it's percieved as a weak race way beyond what it actually is. Zerg is the weakest race, especially in early game, no argument there - but not by the leaps and bounds people think it is. And let's face it, people choose their race after how they and other people percieve it.
When only a few pros play zerg the tactical aspect of the race won't evolve as fast as the other races which means it will be even harder for the zerg players to close the gap.
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On October 02 2010 22:14 pheno wrote:
Is Idra that wrong? Honestly, we have seen a lot better games from ITR so far...
agree, cool played great, but he won because itr made it possible
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On October 02 2010 22:10 ShyRamen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 22:06 hugman wrote:On October 02 2010 22:03 UnholyRai wrote:
"thank you rainbow, for making zerg look good" Idra on twitter.
I can't believe he's crying instead of just enjoying a fantastic performance from cool. Losing respect for Idra. What a stupid and disrespectful comment. When is he gonna learn to shut up? Agreed 100% It seems he can't accept that someone is much better than him at using Zerg and blames the opponents, how pathetic Anyway Fruit Dealer is an awesome dude and deserves his win, I wish him good luck in the future
Well he's probably siting there thinking to himself damn, I have the mechanical ability, I could have executed the same way Cool did. That may or may not be the case, but when it comes down to it he wasn't able too this go round. Hopefully the missed opportunity motivates him to improve his play for the next gsl.
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On October 02 2010 22:10 ShyRamen wrote:
It seems he can't accept that someone is much better than him at using Zerg and blames the opponents, how pathetic
Seriously? I'm pretty sure he has said Cool was better than him multiple times and originally predicted to lose to him in the GSL. Not being able to accept someone is better than him was not the basis of his comment at all, instead it was frustration that someone may perceive this victory means there are no problems with Zerg and they won't properly deal with balance issues in Zerg match-ups and ultimately make the game better overall. People need to calm the fuck down about what Idra says and need to stop filling rage in between the lines when there is none.
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On October 02 2010 22:16 Art_of_Kill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 22:14 pheno wrote:
Is Idra that wrong? Honestly, we have seen a lot better games from ITR so far... agree, cool played great, but he won because itr made it possible
Cool won with his own ability and game sense, there were very few points were he didn't look dominant. It seemed like he was destined to take down this series. Implying that ITR handed him these games is foolish, in my opinion at least. What was on the other end of the line forcing ITR into more and more desperate situations, squeezing the mistakes out of him, it certainly wasn't the hand of god.
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Morrow's reaper micro is way better, he can kill roaches without getting hit too much, now idk if there was any lag involved, that could explain it, or if it's just lack of reaper micro training from itr since he doesn't use them that much. Even Morrow trained with Dimaga the day before the IEM final.
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