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On October 02 2010 21:10 DreXxiN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 21:09 mdb wrote:
Pretty boring series imo. I was expecting much more. Expecting what? More out of free entertainment? Bring your negativity elsewhere...I respect your opinion that it was boring, but expecting more? ....
Well, after knowing what rainbow can do with his reavers in sc1, I was expecting something similar from him in SC2. I have to admit though, that I dont follow sc2 that much.
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On October 02 2010 21:12 Pudge_172 wrote:
Does EVERYONE have to qualify for Season 2 or do the top 4 or top 8 automatically get in?
I think they all ave to qualify again for the first 3 seasons.
Next year when the "real" GSL starts there will be seeting based on the result of the first 3 preseasons.
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On October 02 2010 21:09 5unrise wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 21:04 Somi wrote:On October 02 2010 21:00 5unrise wrote:
To all Terrans: You may have your banshees, your Thors, your mules, and your #$%^ marauders, but at the end of the day, these are no compensation for a huge discrepency in skill. Never underestimate the determination of a cornered zerg! The thing is there were no banshees, hardly any marauders or hellions..we saw in semi-final things got tooo close for comfort for Cool. I think the trump card here is the mass Bling drops. What GSL will do is help change Zerg metagame with alot more infestor, bling drops comming into play now..how Zerg gets patched might just have to be how zergs adopt Cool's style. And regarding the culture and stuff..by asian..not just East Asia..its pretty much the case in South Asia as well as middle east and North Africa. yeah you are right, these units weren't used. But my point is, no matter how big an advantage a Terran may enjoy over Zerg, this can be overcome by skill and determination.
You have a very valid point..but in this game it appeared the skill gap was too much..closer the skill gap..the more the balance comes into play.
You never let Zerg expand in peace.
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On October 02 2010 21:11 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 21:07 Spidinko wrote:On October 02 2010 21:03 foxmeep wrote:On October 02 2010 21:03 Bswhunter wrote:
One thing to note:
Did Cool even use hydras thoughout this series? If not, maybe thats where blizz needs to start balancing zerg Yes, he did. And in that game he got buttraped due to building them, lol. Did you actually see the game? I didn't see him got 'buttraped'. Care to elaborate on that, please? He got buttraped in the straight up fights which is the ONLY time hydralisks were used. Lings, or lings/infestor were used to drop/fight drops.
That's so short sighted. There was so much more happening in that game and to pick off a lost battle to complain about hydras is lame.
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On October 02 2010 21:14 GTR wrote:
cool had so much in potential until he unfortunately had to abruptly retire to take care of his family's fruit business.
so glad he's showing his skill with sc2.
Yeah, it was a shame someone who could beat Nada like that had to retire so suddenly. This victory should make up for it though 
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On October 02 2010 21:16 Copenap wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 21:12 Pudge_172 wrote:
Does EVERYONE have to qualify for Season 2 or do the top 4 or top 8 automatically get in? I think they all ave to qualify again for the first 3 seasons. Next year when the "real" GSL starts there will be seeting based on the result of the first 3 preseasons.
And thats why its important for Blizzard to balance things out a more....I'd like to see near equal representation of races when the GSL season starts.
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Please, better video quality for GSL2.
Great tourney. I hope the early stages of GSL2 are more competitive though ^^.
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It would be a shame if "A Fruit Dealer" ended up not qualifying for Season 2.......
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On October 02 2010 21:15 DreXxiN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 21:14 Velr wrote:
My new counter to Proxyreapers is obviously 15 Hatch... Yeah no kidding what the hell man, that seemed like an auto loss then and there lol.
I'm not trying to compare these two terrans at all... But if that was Morrow vs that build Cool did and the timing... Morrow would have made Cool pay for going that build.... ITR didn't seem to have practiced that build or his micro with reapers, the position was bad the whole time... I'm sorry but it wasn't an amazing play by Cool to go in the smoke and killing the reapers.. It was a bad play by ITR to follow....
Again i'm not comparing Morrow's skill to ITR's skill at all... I'm more comparing someone that has done that build over and over and has pretty much mastered that reaper build and I know it has changed after the patch, but you can still reaper harass/rush... That final game should have been ITRs, it was just bad execute of reaper build...
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On October 02 2010 21:15 DreXxiN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 21:14 Velr wrote:
My new counter to Proxyreapers is obviously 15 Hatch... Yeah no kidding what the hell man, that seemed like an auto loss then and there lol.
I think ITR had pretty poor reaper micro. The first reaper ran into drones and then was forced to run around for most of the time. Then he had subsequent reapers take many hits from lings.
Proxy reaper really has no margin for error when your opponent is Cool 
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zerg players wont really be able to really adopt a "fruitdealer style" of play, this was just cool completely predicting ITR with very high level trains of thought, the way he played in this series is so incredibly risky and hard to do, i don't think many non-zerg players appreciate just how risky and difficult it is to play this way, simply put if you try this on some random terran on the ladder you can easily get steamrolled by any of the many options that a terran has in the early/mid game, i think zerg play is going to evolve into idra's multiple early queen/mass creep style, it just seems so much more solid and safe against so many builds, when you compare the two styles, cool's seems quite flimsy in comparison
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That was a great game! I was a bit disappointed that Terran got shutout though.
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On October 02 2010 21:17 Spidinko wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 21:11 Slayer91 wrote:On October 02 2010 21:07 Spidinko wrote:On October 02 2010 21:03 foxmeep wrote:On October 02 2010 21:03 Bswhunter wrote:
One thing to note:
Did Cool even use hydras thoughout this series? If not, maybe thats where blizz needs to start balancing zerg Yes, he did. And in that game he got buttraped due to building them, lol. Did you actually see the game? I didn't see him got 'buttraped'. Care to elaborate on that, please? He got buttraped in the straight up fights which is the ONLY time hydralisks were used. Lings, or lings/infestor were used to drop/fight drops. That's so short sighted. There was so much more happening in that game and to pick off a lost battle to complain about hydras is lame.
No one is complaining about hydralisks (well I'm not anyways). They're shit in certain situations, just like every other unit. This was one said situation.
Edit: hydras are bad ZvT (in general) shouldn't be confused with hydras need balancing.
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Yes yes, both Morrow and TLO would own Cool in finals and take it easy, same as TLO and Idra did in their rounds of 32, oh wait..
No disrespect to them, but i'm sick of people spaming with comments like "If that XY player was playing, he would do this and that"...yeah well why didn't he?
Stop overrating non Korean players, and underrating Korean players.I'm really curious to see when will non Korean manage to get in ro8/semis, considering how people talk about them, like they are Gods of Starcraft...
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Excellent final. Fruit Dealer's play was awesome. ITR played well until he met FD; he will be better next season.
Special thanks to Artosis, Tasteless, and Junnka for bringing it to the audience outside Korea, much, much appreciated. It got better as the season went on. Definitely be back for next season. Glad Jun got a chair! 
Oh, first thing to improve for GSL Season 2 would be to increase the server capacity so more of us could watch. Good job on the GSL S1. Expecting an even better S2. Thanks!
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On October 02 2010 21:20 RedHelix wrote:
zerg players wont really be able to really adopt a "fruitdealer style" of play, this was just cool completely predicting ITR with very high level trains of thought, the way he played in this series is so incredibly risky and hard to do, i don't think many non-zerg players appreciate just how risky and difficult it is to play this way, simply put if you try this on some random terran on the ladder you can easily get steamrolled by any of the many options that a terran has in the early/mid game, i think zerg play is going to evolve into idra's multiple early queen/mass creep style, it just seems so much more solid and safe against so many builds, when you compare the two styles, cool's seems quite flimsy in comparison
I would say true... but then I would start thinking and realise he had done throughout the tournament. People will look at the timings Cool looks at, more importantly saving minerals and gas and larva and pumping out the right unit when the terran does his tech switch
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Cool's play is just so inspiring to watch as a Zerg. I feel like I've learned so many things watching him go through the GSL that I've never seen used as consistently and effectively as with any other Zerg.
As Tasteless and Artosis noted several times, at midgame he just gets EVERYTHING. Burrow, drops, upgrades, infestors, banelings, mutas and then ultras. I'm a bit overwhelmed just thinking about trying to emulate his play because there is just so many options that open up to you and knowing what to do and when is the hardest part. He just takes all of that though and turns it into a masterpiece of ZvT.
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On October 02 2010 20:46 On_Slaught wrote:
Looking at that series, even tho ITR won on DO and finally did a super-aggressive build on SS, his overall play still seemed too passive.
In these 5 games;
He built ZERO banshees.
He built ONE helion.
He built 3-5 reapers.
He built no more than 5 marauders.
There is a reason people think TvZ is adv T... b/c of these units, yet he didn't "abuse," let alone use in any real capacity, a single one.
Overall, his play was predictable, sloppy (or simply being out-microed), and failed to punish the super-greedy builds of cool at ALL.
I don't understand this. And yet somehow we forget that in the semifinals, Liveforever threw reapers, hellions, cloaked banshees, AND medivac drops in order at fruitdealer in rapid succession-- all in game one alone! -- but to no avail. But of course Liveforever was a terrible Terran who fluked into the semifinals, amirite?
Not to mention that Hopetorture's "predictable" play was exactly what allowed him to steamroll Ensnare in the semifinals as well.... yet I didn't see anyone complaining about it then! Funny how these things work.
Let's just give credit where credit is due and leave it that, shall we? Instead of perpetually putting down those who simply come up short against a superior opponent.
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On October 02 2010 21:11 metaldragon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2010 21:09 CScythe wrote:
Cool is like the master of early game defense. If any Zerg could survive the early game like Cool, then nobody would ever dispute Zerg balance. Day[9] talked about this saying we will see Zergs start to take over after they learn how to "not die" early.
I agree, though there is army/econ balance as well as diligent scouting which must be mastered to be able to fight P/T on even ground by midgame. It takes so much to be consistently strong at all of this with Zerg, really shows how much work goes into Cool's play.
That being said, I do believe that average Zerg players should not be expected to play as well as Cool to be able to fight P/T on even ground by midgame. I still think Z needs some early game buff. That is how I've felt actually since beta. I'm confident Blizzard will do what needs to be done though, I'm not worried.
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