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eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
October 02 2010 12:07 GMT
#3421
On October 02 2010 21:05 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:05 a_flayer wrote:
On October 02 2010 21:03 Bswhunter wrote:
One thing to note:
Did Cool even use hydras thoughout this series? If not, maybe thats where blizz needs to start balancing zerg


He did. On Desert Oasis. The game he lost.

Didn't really lose that just because of the hydras though.


they didn't really do anything but waste gas. banelings mightve done more to that terran push.
DreXxiN
Profile Joined July 2010
United States494 Posts
October 02 2010 12:07 GMT
#3422
Fruit dealer really does seem like the LimyoHwan of SC2.
Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
October 02 2010 12:07 GMT
#3423
On October 02 2010 21:03 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:03 Bswhunter wrote:
One thing to note:
Did Cool even use hydras thoughout this series? If not, maybe thats where blizz needs to start balancing zerg


Yes, he did. And in that game he got buttraped due to building them, lol.

Did you actually see the game? I didn't see him got 'buttraped'. Care to elaborate on that, please?
marcusklaas
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands81 Posts
October 02 2010 12:07 GMT
#3424
The outra was fukkin' epic.
Never give up, never surrender!
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
October 02 2010 12:07 GMT
#3425
On October 02 2010 21:06 The Touch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:00 vyyye wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:58 The Touch wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:53 vyyye wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:52 dacthehork wrote:
whats up with gamers giving money to their parents?

Flash gives all his winnings to his parents, but why do older players like cool/rainbow give all their winnings to their parents?

Because they let their parents run their lives over there.


Fixed :p

There's nothing wrong with being generous to your parents (I'd probably give half of it to my family if I won that sort of money), but it's like the expecation is that the parents automatically have control over the winnings, which IMO goes way too far.

Hardly the case. I can see why you might think that (hell, I had trouble understanding how it worked at first), but it's not a case of "Everything I ever gain will go to my parents". Eveyrone just takes care of everyone in their family there, if the dad wins the lottery he won't use it all for himself, even if his children moved out. Same for the children.


Yeah my comment was half in jest really. I definitely respect people who want to help their family more than those who wouldn't even think of giving any of their winnings away. We could probably do with a lot more of that attitude in the West.

I see, I was just getting riled up because of the previous poster (partly due to me needing another cup of coffee as well).
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
October 02 2010 12:08 GMT
#3426
On October 02 2010 21:05 Lyw9475 wrote:
sc2 lim yo hwan=fruit dealer.
winning the major league with the least powerful race.
just impressive..impressive

Really? Terran was the least powerful bw race?

Also, everyone should shut the fuck up about balance in here.

I remember rage and passionate stupidity in LR threads before but never as many absolutely retarded posts as in here.
DreXxiN
Profile Joined July 2010
United States494 Posts
October 02 2010 12:08 GMT
#3427
Work in 6 hours lol, gnite everyone. Hope to see everyone watching GSL2!
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
October 02 2010 12:08 GMT
#3428
On October 02 2010 21:08 thopol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:05 Lyw9475 wrote:
sc2 lim yo hwan=fruit dealer.
winning the major league with the least powerful race.
just impressive..impressive

Really? Terran was the least powerful bw race?

Also, everyone should shut the fuck up about balance in here.

I remember rage and passionate stupidity in LR threads before but never as many absolutely retarded posts as in here.

Back when Boxer was first getting started, T was widely considered the weaker race.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 02 2010 12:08 GMT
#3429
On October 02 2010 21:08 thopol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:05 Lyw9475 wrote:
sc2 lim yo hwan=fruit dealer.
winning the major league with the least powerful race.
just impressive..impressive

Really? Terran was the least powerful bw race?

Also, everyone should shut the fuck up about balance in here.

I remember rage and passionate stupidity in LR threads before but never as many absolutely retarded posts as in here.

Boxer excelled with Terran at a time when the race was considered underpowered, that is fact.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
October 02 2010 12:08 GMT
#3430
On October 02 2010 21:08 thopol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:05 Lyw9475 wrote:
sc2 lim yo hwan=fruit dealer.
winning the major league with the least powerful race.
just impressive..impressive

Really? Terran was the least powerful bw race?

Also, everyone should shut the fuck up about balance in here.

I remember rage and passionate stupidity in LR threads before but never as many absolutely retarded posts as in here.

At the time, terran was considered the weakest.
beach beers buds beezies b-b-b-baaanelings
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
October 02 2010 12:08 GMT
#3431
On October 02 2010 21:07 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:03 Dalavita wrote:
On October 02 2010 21:02 Roggay wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:59 sadyque wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:55 Gnarg wrote:
It's obvious HopeTorture made so many mistakes that this match doesnt say anything about the balance between the races. Thinking otherwise is retarded.


Yes ITR after winning 99.9% of his GSL games suddenly got confused and retarted. After roflstomping every1 from day 1 to the semi-finals including tester ITR gets stupid all of the sudden. Seems plausible....OR....zerg needs to stop whining and l2plikeCool?


Did you watch the games? Its obvious ITR wasnt in his top shape.


You need to learn how competition works.

A superior opponent can make you look stupid.

Everything he tried got countered because it was Cool. Anyone else he'd succeed against and win.

Cool was the better player and he won, hell he even showed how strong zerg can be if played properly.


The fact that cool played better tells in itself that ITR didnt played as good. You can't say zerg is soooo strong watching a terran failing at changing his plans accordingly. Now I understand Idra so much, every terran will justify their whining with the result of this serie.


Did you not understand what I said?

The reason ITR failed at changing his plans is because Cool stopped him at every angle instead of letting him. Yes, Zerg letting terran do what the hell they please is why they're losing.
Tzarr
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany48 Posts
October 02 2010 12:08 GMT
#3432
On October 02 2010 21:07 marcusklaas wrote:
The outra was fukkin' epic.



word! would like to rewatch it... did somebody record it?
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
October 02 2010 12:09 GMT
#3433
Pretty boring series imo. I was expecting much more.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
October 02 2010 12:09 GMT
#3434
On October 02 2010 21:07 Spidinko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:03 foxmeep wrote:
On October 02 2010 21:03 Bswhunter wrote:
One thing to note:
Did Cool even use hydras thoughout this series? If not, maybe thats where blizz needs to start balancing zerg


Yes, he did. And in that game he got buttraped due to building them, lol.

Did you actually see the game? I didn't see him got 'buttraped'. Care to elaborate on that, please?


Specifically the push at his gold expansion, yes he got raped due to having way too many hydras. Or hydras at all for that matter.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
October 02 2010 12:09 GMT
#3435
I wonder if he knew ITR's builds from the build order screen in Bnet or something. He just countered everything perfectly without even getting vision. Many games if ITR followed up with a banshee it could have been over but it seemed like Cool knew he wouldn't.
5unrise
Profile Joined May 2009
New Zealand646 Posts
October 02 2010 12:09 GMT
#3436
On October 02 2010 21:04 Somi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:00 5unrise wrote:
To all Terrans: You may have your banshees, your Thors, your mules, and your #$%^ marauders, but at the end of the day, these are no compensation for a huge discrepency in skill. Never underestimate the determination of a cornered zerg!


The thing is there were no banshees, hardly any marauders or hellions..we saw in semi-final things got tooo close for comfort for Cool.

I think the trump card here is the mass Bling drops.

What GSL will do is help change Zerg metagame with alot more infestor, bling drops comming into play now..how Zerg gets patched might just have to be how zergs adopt Cool's style.

And regarding the culture and stuff..by asian..not just East Asia..its pretty much the case in South Asia as well as middle east and North Africa.





yeah you are right, these units weren't used. But my point is, no matter how big an advantage a Terran may enjoy over Zerg, this can be overcome by skill and determination.
The Touch
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom667 Posts
October 02 2010 12:09 GMT
#3437
On October 02 2010 21:07 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:06 The Touch wrote:
On October 02 2010 21:00 vyyye wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:58 The Touch wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:53 vyyye wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:52 dacthehork wrote:
whats up with gamers giving money to their parents?

Flash gives all his winnings to his parents, but why do older players like cool/rainbow give all their winnings to their parents?

Because they let their parents run their lives over there.


Fixed :p

There's nothing wrong with being generous to your parents (I'd probably give half of it to my family if I won that sort of money), but it's like the expecation is that the parents automatically have control over the winnings, which IMO goes way too far.

Hardly the case. I can see why you might think that (hell, I had trouble understanding how it worked at first), but it's not a case of "Everything I ever gain will go to my parents". Eveyrone just takes care of everyone in their family there, if the dad wins the lottery he won't use it all for himself, even if his children moved out. Same for the children.


Yeah my comment was half in jest really. I definitely respect people who want to help their family more than those who wouldn't even think of giving any of their winnings away. We could probably do with a lot more of that attitude in the West.

I see, I was just getting riled up because of the previous poster (partly due to me needing another cup of coffee as well).


Brohug, baby!
You Got The Touch
CScythe
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada810 Posts
October 02 2010 12:09 GMT
#3438
Cool is like the master of early game defense. If any Zerg could survive the early game like Cool, then nobody would ever dispute Zerg balance.
DreXxiN
Profile Joined July 2010
United States494 Posts
October 02 2010 12:10 GMT
#3439
On October 02 2010 21:09 mdb wrote:
Pretty boring series imo. I was expecting much more.


Expecting what? More out of free entertainment? Bring your negativity elsewhere...I respect your opinion that it was boring, but expecting more? ....
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
October 02 2010 12:10 GMT
#3440
On October 02 2010 20:57 Blind wrote:
Obviously, I can't definitely claim this since I can't see ITR's first-person, but I'm almost sure him losing his barracks has nothing to do with reaction time. There was nothing else going on and he's a very fast player. He lost his barracks because he didn't expect Cool to commit to those attacks (and partly because his scvs were blocked from repairing when he finally realized Cool wasn't backing off). It's what Tasteless was saying.

I've read so many comments here criticizing his reaction time. How can you really think it's reaction time? Especially in the first attack when his reapers gave him plenty of time to react.


He lost his barracks twice when they could've been easily repaired, how can you argue those weren't huge mistakes?
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