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KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
October 02 2010 12:04 GMT
#3401
On October 02 2010 21:03 Bswhunter wrote:
One thing to note:
Did Cool even use hydras thoughout this series? If not, maybe thats where blizz needs to start balancing zerg



he used them in the one game he lost lol
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
MusiK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States302 Posts
October 02 2010 12:04 GMT
#3402
On October 02 2010 20:56 binary25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 20:52 dacthehork wrote:
whats up with gamers giving their money to their parents?

Flash gives all his winnings to his parents (pretty dumb for a genius), but why do older players like cool/rainbow give all their winnings to their parents? Seems kind of bad considering how hard it will be to turn a lot of this pro gaming experience into money later.


Probably because a lot of Asians live by Confucian ideals. And Confucian teachings are big on children taking care of their parents when they're older. Especially the eldest son is expected to live with the parents even after marriage. Luckily my parents are Americanized and are already trying to kick me out of the house.


I don't know about the Confucian ideals, but definitely there is some sort of respect for elders. Winning that large sum of money and not willing to part SOME with your parents who took care of you for most of your life feeding you supporting you sheltering you scolding you.... isn't that disrespectful in all cultures?

As an Asian, I don't think it has as much to do with culture than it does with common sense. xP
BOOM!!! ~ Tasteless
TedJustice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1324 Posts
October 02 2010 12:04 GMT
#3403
On October 02 2010 21:03 Bswhunter wrote:
One thing to note:
Did Cool even use hydras thoughout this series? If not, maybe thats where blizz needs to start balancing zerg

He did. In the one game he lost.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13088 Posts
October 02 2010 12:04 GMT
#3404
On October 02 2010 21:03 Bswhunter wrote:
One thing to note:
Did Cool even use hydras thoughout this series? If not, maybe thats where blizz needs to start balancing zerg



Yes he did and lost that game
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
WCCanuck
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4 Posts
October 02 2010 12:04 GMT
#3405
--- Nuked ---
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 02 2010 12:04 GMT
#3406
On October 02 2010 21:02 Playboy. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 20:59 klauz619 wrote:
Families in asia are much closer than in the US.

It's not uncommon for children to like, let their parents live in their houses or keep staying with their parents in their 20's until they actually have a home.

Contrast where in the US you live in crapass dorms and apartments eating cheap ramen from college until your late 20's if you weren't born middle-upper class. Because living home with your parents is some sort of massive mark of shame and wasting money on an apartment is more "honorable".


Wrong Asian in general are closer to their families then let say... other race. It a cutural thing to have a tight knit relationship with your families.


its deep-rooted in confucius' teachings. its more apparent in mainland asia compared to isolated nations like japan/south-east asian islands.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
smileyyy
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany1816 Posts
October 02 2010 12:04 GMT
#3407
On October 02 2010 21:03 Bswhunter wrote:
One thing to note:
Did Cool even use hydras thoughout this series? If not, maybe thats where blizz needs to start balancing zerg

He did on DO.. guess what lost him the game...


Zerg winning Im happy and motivated to play the ladder. Well ITR didnt play his best for sure
Fruitseller: I feel like it's a good strategy[6Pool]. I had a lot of strategies, but I thought about it a lot and decided to 6 pool. Other people told me to 6 pool too
Somi
Profile Joined August 2010
Pakistan123 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 12:06:19
October 02 2010 12:04 GMT
#3408
On October 02 2010 21:00 5unrise wrote:
To all Terrans: You may have your banshees, your Thors, your mules, and your #$%^ marauders, but at the end of the day, these are no compensation for a huge discrepency in skill. Never underestimate the determination of a cornered zerg!


The thing is there were no banshees, hardly any marauders or hellions..we saw in semi-final things got tooo close for comfort for Cool.

I think the trump card here is the mass Bling drops.

What GSL will do is help change Zerg metagame with alot more infestor, bling drops comming into play now..how Zerg gets patched might just have to be how zergs adopt Cool's style.

And regarding the culture and stuff..by asian..not just East Asia..its pretty much the case in South Asia as well as middle east and North Africa.



For the Swarm!
epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
October 02 2010 12:04 GMT
#3409
Zerg is much more difficult to play than Terran or Protoss. Fruit can manage but that's not enough. Also, Zerg late game is too strong and Terran early is too strong and Protoss needs help early vs. T too and late vs. Zerg.
Euriti
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark72 Posts
October 02 2010 12:04 GMT
#3410
On October 02 2010 20:59 sadyque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 20:55 Gnarg wrote:
It's obvious HopeTorture made so many mistakes that this match doesnt say anything about the balance between the races. Thinking otherwise is retarded.


Yes ITR after winning 99.9% of his GSL games suddenly got confused and retarted. After roflstomping every1 from day 1 to the semi-finals including tester ITR gets stupid all of the sudden. Seems plausible....OR....zerg needs to stop whining and l2plikeCool?


So basically we all gotta play like the best player in the world to win as zerg vs terran? It was obvious that not enough early pressure was being applied to cool, no timing pushes either which allowed him to 4-base and macro/tech hard and when the push finally came cool was just way ahead. If you'd listened to the commentaries there is a massive window where cool is just macroing hard and has very little stuff and a timing push would've just outrighted killed him.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 02 2010 12:04 GMT
#3411
well yeah this actually
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 12:09:26
October 02 2010 12:05 GMT
#3412
nm
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Lyw9475
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada81 Posts
October 02 2010 12:05 GMT
#3413
sc2 lim yo hwan=fruit dealer.
winning the major league with the least powerful race.
just impressive..impressive
Korean Canadian starcraft mania
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
October 02 2010 12:05 GMT
#3414
On October 02 2010 21:05 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:03 Bswhunter wrote:
One thing to note:
Did Cool even use hydras thoughout this series? If not, maybe thats where blizz needs to start balancing zerg


He did. On Desert Oasis. The game he lost.

Didn't really lose that just because of the hydras though.
CScythe
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada810 Posts
October 02 2010 12:05 GMT
#3415
Turns out all those Terran players were right, the key to winning ZvT was more Nydus Worm and "try researching drop" after all! If only Cool also got roach burrow move it would have been even better!
Ganondorf
Profile Joined April 2010
Italy600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-02 12:07:35
October 02 2010 12:06 GMT
#3416
GSL needs more bandwitdh or go to sattelite tvs which are even cheaper than internet streaming.

I hope to see more zergs on the ladder now, my tvz was getting sloppy from lack of zerg enemies because of this retarded balance discussions. The current balance issues don't affect matches unless you're a very high diamond or a pro gamer.

PS : Of course the only good zerg is a dead zerg.
The Touch
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom667 Posts
October 02 2010 12:06 GMT
#3417
On October 02 2010 21:00 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 20:58 The Touch wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:53 vyyye wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:52 dacthehork wrote:
whats up with gamers giving money to their parents?

Flash gives all his winnings to his parents, but why do older players like cool/rainbow give all their winnings to their parents?

Because they let their parents run their lives over there.


Fixed :p

There's nothing wrong with being generous to your parents (I'd probably give half of it to my family if I won that sort of money), but it's like the expecation is that the parents automatically have control over the winnings, which IMO goes way too far.

Hardly the case. I can see why you might think that (hell, I had trouble understanding how it worked at first), but it's not a case of "Everything I ever gain will go to my parents". Eveyrone just takes care of everyone in their family there, if the dad wins the lottery he won't use it all for himself, even if his children moved out. Same for the children.


Yeah my comment was half in jest really. I definitely respect people who want to help their family more than those who wouldn't even think of giving any of their winnings away. We could probably do with a lot more of that attitude in the West.
You Got The Touch
Torrentsven
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden51 Posts
October 02 2010 12:06 GMT
#3418
To bad ITR wasnt in shape today, i feel that he just need to preasure a bit early/mid more then its ez mode to beat cool for him
F0Ll0w the line, follow the redline to the sun
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
October 02 2010 12:07 GMT
#3419
On October 02 2010 21:03 Dalavita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:02 Roggay wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:59 sadyque wrote:
On October 02 2010 20:55 Gnarg wrote:
It's obvious HopeTorture made so many mistakes that this match doesnt say anything about the balance between the races. Thinking otherwise is retarded.


Yes ITR after winning 99.9% of his GSL games suddenly got confused and retarted. After roflstomping every1 from day 1 to the semi-finals including tester ITR gets stupid all of the sudden. Seems plausible....OR....zerg needs to stop whining and l2plikeCool?


Did you watch the games? Its obvious ITR wasnt in his top shape.


You need to learn how competition works.

A superior opponent can make you look stupid.

Everything he tried got countered because it was Cool. Anyone else he'd succeed against and win.

Cool was the better player and he won, hell he even showed how strong zerg can be if played properly.


The fact that cool played better tells in itself that ITR didnt played as good. You can't say zerg is soooo strong watching a terran failing at changing his plans accordingly. Now I understand Idra so much, every terran will justify their whining with the result of this serie.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
October 02 2010 12:07 GMT
#3420
On October 02 2010 21:05 vyyye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2010 21:05 a_flayer wrote:
On October 02 2010 21:03 Bswhunter wrote:
One thing to note:
Did Cool even use hydras thoughout this series? If not, maybe thats where blizz needs to start balancing zerg


He did. On Desert Oasis. The game he lost.

Didn't really lose that just because of the hydras though.


They certainly contributed though. He needed roaches to fight the MM/tank push at his gold, not hydras.
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