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StarcraftWorld.it proudly presents his KING OF THE HILL, sponsored by http://www.SC2Casts.tv
RESULTS!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +Kiwikaki won the koth 4-0 over Dimaga.
VODS ready, on http://www.youtube.com/SCWorldit
On 28th of september 2010 two Starcraft 2 titans will fight each other for 100 usd and for glory. They met themself before and Kiwikaki won, so Dimaga will fight for revenge!
Kiwikaki vs Dimaga!!
Map Pool:
Xel'Naga Caverns
Blistering Sands
Metalopolis
Steppes of War
Kulas Ravine
Scrap Stations
Delta Quadrant
The Match will be bo7 and broadcasted LIVE on StarcraftWorld WEB TV on 28/09/2010 21:00 cet, casted by SchickySC.
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On September 23 2010 17:57 raistlinthewiz wrote:Hope you enjoy the matches guys. Btw, i think we can introduce ourself here now, http://sc2casts.tv. Our site features hand-picked VOD's and strategy video's from most popular sc2 channels. Also don't miss our vod-tracker: http://vodtracker.sc2casts.tv/
Poll: Who will take this match??Dimaga (138) 52% Kiwikaki (125) 48% 263 total votes Your vote: Who will take this match?? (Vote): Kiwikaki
(Vote): Dimaga
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nice...cant wait to tunes in!
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Thats awesome! I cant wait!
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wow 100 usd and a fro, how sick is that especially as dimaga is bald
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Russian Federation195 Posts
dima gogo o/ o/ \\o bet 2:4
p.s. hope to let russian stream in
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On September 23 2010 07:40 HuK wrote:
wow 100 usd and a fro, how sick is that especially as dimaga is bald
corrected , sorry for the typo^^
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DIMAGA on patch 1.1? i gotta check that, specially facing Kiwikaki who already gave us all a demonstration of his playstyle at the MLG raleigh.
ALSO...a "King of the Hill" by a Protoss and a Zerg...how cool is that?  unmissable imo
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ohhhh awesome cant wait... gogogo kiwikaki!
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Oh goodness...so hard to decided! I want to cheer them both on, but sooo hard to pick just one! At least it will be an awesome showing. ^^
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On September 23 2010 07:40 HuK wrote:
wow 100 usd and a fro, how sick is that especially as dimaga is bald
L O L so awesome you are HUK
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USA29055 Posts
Awesome match
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Hope you enjoy the matches guys. Btw, i think we can introduce ourself here now, http://www.blizztv.com. Our site features hand-picked VOD's and strategy video's from most popular sc2 channels.
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i'm really looking forward it!
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should be a great game, looking forward to some awsome blink-micro....Kiwi really inspired me in the first series with his play, I'm using blink stalkers since then vs zerg; I have also a wc3 background and blink stalkers are just awsome if you have the micro; bad thing though that I mostly end up with 1k+ minerals after blinking for a while, then spawn 10359715 lings and I'm dead lol
especially looking forward to the openings, since I'm still undecided between the forge-FE into mass-gates and 3 gate FE with some early zealot/sentry/stalker-pressure on some maps
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Round two?!?! O_O
Why does DIMAGA look so smug in his pic? lulz
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Dimaga will win this time with the new patch :D
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awesome don't have anything else to do on the 28th.
Also HuK sneaks expansions that observers cant see, pure hacks.
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I don't think that HuK hack.
he is just a very good player and also a smart guy.
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On September 24 2010 09:19 tosS.ita wrote:
I don't think that HuK hack.
he is just a very good player and also a smart guy.
Yea I think the guy above you was joking. Just saying "HuK Hacks" like, HuK is very good.
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why we're talking about huk in the topic dimaga vs kiwikaki? eheh
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Sweet
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added a funny pool, enjoy
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On September 23 2010 07:05 tosS.ita wrote:The Match will be bo7 and broodcasted LIVE on StarcraftWorld WEB TV on 28/09/2010 21:00 cet, casted by SchickySC.
I SOOOOO can't wait to broodcast this! ;-) <3 toss
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it's zerg vs protoss show so it's broodcasted ^^ or BlooDcasted! not Broadcaster ^^
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I think Kiwikaki I hope Dimaga (europe represent)
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I hope Dimaga but I think the if kiwi doesn't screw up force fields badly it could turn into a smoooth ride for him : <
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Kiwikaki is the Zerg slayer, he has this.
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Well I voted for Dimaga... of course.
But if he was facing a Terran.............
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im rooting for KiWiKaKi his control with stalkers/zealots is amazing
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I predict KiWiKaKi > Dimaga 4-2
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its always nice to see some new Dimaga games
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Zomg nice, when are the VODs gonna go up for this?
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Dimaga is going to take this
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On September 25 2010 18:11 chukpeev wrote:
Zomg nice, when are the VODs gonna go up for this?
VODs ill be on 24h after :D
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I predict I'll fall asleep halfway through the series because having a one unit (stalker) army is only fun to watch a couple times.
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i hope dimaga wins this time <3 kiwi vs dima is a VERY cool PvZ. two extrem skilled players ...
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This is Awesome. Love seeing the dimaga love action!!!
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Huk is one of the smartest players I've seen play
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Just curious how is this a KOTH? Like will there be another event against the winner of this one later on or what?
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On September 27 2010 14:07 Lunares wrote:
Just curious how is this a KOTH? Like will there be another event against the winner of this one later on or what?
this is going to be a weekly koth
the winner of this will fight with another player to keep the crown!
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4-3 (Don't care who wins) with at least 3 huge macro games would make me giddy. I feel we'll see 3 baneling bust attempts.
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nice games are coming!!
can't wait!!
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wow, i'm definitely going to tune in. Great Matchup, great format.
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On September 28 2010 00:05 KiWiKaKi wrote:
gogo me
gogo you
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This match should add some excitement to my otherwise boring Tuesday. Should be a gooooooood Bo7
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nice nice nice, can't wait
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As of this post the votes are 100% equal at 70/70.
I want Dimaga too win but he'll get smacked around by kiwi sadly 
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I want Dimaga to win but I have the feelng Kiwikaki will... Surprise me Dimaga!!!!
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Voted for Kiwikaki to make the poll even 
Doesn't really matter to me who wins though, I am just hoping for some awesome games.
Sounds very promising, and sure as hell beats the telly program ^^
Edit : bleh, additional votes already in so moot point about evening out the poll xD
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I hope Kiwi wins, but also that the series is REALLY close.
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I hope we see longer games, most of the games I've seen between them two were quite fast.
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Wow the poll is dead even at 50/50
Unfortunately this is after the ultra nerf, which means dimaga's traditional fast +1 speedlings into quick ultra zvp style is gonna be way less effective =/
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Is this poll faked? I watched this poll like 5 mins and it didn't change from 96 to 96, so i voted for kiwi - cause hands down - he is awesome. But it was actually insta 97 to 97. xD
Well this will be great anyway.
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Haha, really ?! Dimaga's soul must be suffering with each zergling he kills while playing terran.
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Oh wow this starts in 30 minutes, glad I caught this!
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On September 29 2010 03:24 Xxio wrote:
Oh wow this starts in 30 minutes, glad I caught this!
Ditto that! Sure glad I noticed as these players always bring out the big guns. GLHF!
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few minutes to go
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I really hope Dimaga isn't playing as T.
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Very unreliable stream, lags so much
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it's the quality too high, if u don't have a good dsl can't see it
I will try to do something next game..
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Uhh is this live? Did the stream just go down T_T
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Quality too high? im on a hillariously fast connection and its pixelating alot.
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for me it was awesome until it went dead :S
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Epic fail, first time theyve done this?
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can someone suggest an upgrade from modems to broadband in the US plz.
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Dimaga crushed in game 1.
Stream working fine for me though.
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stream is lagging here too :/
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I'd like to see Darkforce play in one of these showmatches. Seen some excellent Z play out of him so far.
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stream doesnt even load for me. 16k dsl here...
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cant see anything here too
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some ppl can't see it many can.. donno why...
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Refreshed million times, but does not work at all
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stream isnt working and the problem is on your side
thanks, hope VOD's will be up for public get
edit: by some miracle it jsut started worked /LoL
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stream lagged, now it's black screen. Refreshed in every minute for the least 10 minutes, still nothing
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does not work for me too give something working cuz i can't make it to not seeing these matches!!!!
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Stream has been down since the middle of 1st game and they just continue ? I have been looking forward to this showmatch for a week and the stream is not working and they are playing ?!
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Stream may not be best quality but works fine for me. And of course the first hing i see after tuning is, are dimaga-banelings! :D
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Is there an alernate stream?
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i really hope for some replays
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On September 29 2010 04:28 Ancient.eu wrote:
Stream has been down since the middle of 1st game and they just continue ? I have been looking forward to this showmatch for a week and the stream is not working and they are playing ?!
di u try just to refresh the page?
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WOW! Great ff's and blink. Kiwi is just a beast.
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real gosu usage of ff's..O,O
im impress in this moment
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Kiwi has the best micro of all players.
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Kiwikaki has the best micro of any NA player in my opinion. His ability to just completely change the outcomes of battles time after time is just insane. I really enjoy watching him play with blink/FFs/etc.
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I think if you just keep refreshing you will at some point get a reliable stream. Didn't work for me in game 1 at all except the start, and i refreshed multiple times until it finally worked with no lag.
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I was able to watch the stream, high quality, little laggy, but ok overall then the streamer suggested refreshing for better quality and now I don't get anything but the black screen no matter how many times I refresh, restart, anything .
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Kiwi microed the shit out of dimaga again, damn that hurts so much to watch
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i dont understand why dimage plays so aggressively. he is getting up a third expension and at the same time constantly running into forcefields
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Dimaga is on another baneling day T_T
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I hate to watch this game :S
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Sad game by dimaga.
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Well this showmatch is not entertaining at all...
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Come on Dimaga come back to 3-3 then lose in the final! :D
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What is wrong with Dimaga lately? Why is he playing so incredibly bad? I am flabbergasted by his play to be honest...
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Wow, really good play by Kiwi there
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On September 29 2010 04:47 zerotol wrote:
What is wrong with Dimaga lately? Why is he playing so incredibly bad? I am flabbergasted by his play to be honest...
Yea Dimaga just doesnt preform anymore... Imo he was a great player but now i mean... u cant rly call him a "toP" player anymore
sad but true
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I think Dimaga's spending a little too much time playing terran. His Z play is slipping a bit.
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Kiwikaki is insanely good. He has so many styles of play and unbelievable unit control. I see very few protoss who use forcefield and unit placement as neatly as he does.
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On September 29 2010 04:48 Torrentsven wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 04:47 zerotol wrote:
What is wrong with Dimaga lately? Why is he playing so incredibly bad? I am flabbergasted by his play to be honest... Yea Dimaga just doesnt preform anymore... Imo he was a great player but now i mean... u cant rly call him a "toP" player anymore sad but true
hes playing like he wants to get these games over with as fast as he can.
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On September 29 2010 04:47 lerremweird wrote:
Wow, really good play by Kiwi there
he does the same i've seen him doing in every game i've watched from him lately. Canon contain/blink stalker. I missed the 2nd game entirely though
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this stream is trolling me....even after refreshing (whole site) a million times
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Wow that was underwhelming..
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Even more terrible game by dimaga. Ugh.
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wow , Dimaga was frustrated :D
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wow dimaga look like he said to himself fck off take this series,
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I love when toss win, especially Kiwikaki but that was an awful showmatch.
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Was hoping for closer games. Seems like just a bad day for Dimaga. Hope he pulls through and has more good days
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Eh not too surprised at the results tbh with the way Dimaga's been playing .
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This looks like a huge downfall for Dimaga. He is just gging randomly. No one will invite him to their showmatches if hes just going to do this.
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....what...the whole series was just bad
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Boring games imo. Dimaga got obliterated completely.
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wow...humiliating.
Not much of a show for a showmatch. I'm sure the sponsors are thrilled.
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horrible games horrible cast horrible stream. not fun at all. not going to watch next koth.
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On September 29 2010 04:49 dras wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 04:48 Torrentsven wrote:On September 29 2010 04:47 zerotol wrote:
What is wrong with Dimaga lately? Why is he playing so incredibly bad? I am flabbergasted by his play to be honest... Yea Dimaga just doesnt preform anymore... Imo he was a great player but now i mean... u cant rly call him a "toP" player anymore sad but true hes playing like he wants to get these games over with as fast as he can.
yup and must must say that last game was patetic, think its time for dimaga to leave the pro scene :/
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What a disappointment from Dimaga. He played like this showmatch was a joke.
Pretty sure that it wil be some time before organizers invite him in a showmatch.
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sad to see Dimaga loose like that, but atm. PvZ is almost unwinnable for Z if you don't do crazy all-in's and cheese the opponent...
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Well that was a dissapointing series but was a really good lesson on how to play pvz.
10 gate on dq is probably the safest opening cos of those close rushes.
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This is the way all of Dimaga's games against Protoss have gone lately.
Dimaga vs P probably isn't the best idea for a showmatch
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I understand you tried your best but that was horrible experience - stream was lagging as hell and most of time it was black screen. Out of 4(?) games I watched only 2 and horrible with lag. And no, it's not my connection's problem, it's definately the problem of host
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On September 29 2010 04:51 JTWStephens wrote:
Boring games imo. Dimaga got obliterated completely.
Boring if you like the Zerg perhaps, other than the 4th I think there were quite a few exciting moments there
Wish it had been closer though, 4-0 series are too short. Thank you organizers and caster! Well done.
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Man, can't wait for Kiwi in ESL and MLG, he's such a smart player, with mind games and great micro.
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this KotH was a waste of time : / the stream never stoped lagging and now its over, after Dimaga got steamrolled.
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On September 29 2010 04:51 Huko wrote:
This looks like a huge downfall for Dimaga. He is just gging randomly. No one will invite him to their showmatches if hes just going to do this.
If you think these GG's were random, you're just a bad player, sorry.
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what the fuck is a 6pool gonna do to a double-pyloned 10 gate? It's gonna do shit-all, that's what.
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dimaga has been playing very weird recently :S
even in previous series he'll dominate for 1 game. And then he'll 6pool+ workers all in the next game. And then all in baneling busts the next game.
I think the problem currently is more on his mental state / form
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On September 29 2010 04:55 SwampZero wrote:
what the fuck is a 6pool gonna do to a double-pyloned 10 gate? It's gonna do shit-all, that's what.
Dimaga becomes very predictable. After few loosing games you can pretty much guarantee he is gonna 6 pool lol
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On September 29 2010 04:52 Ancient.eu wrote:
What a disappointment from Dimaga. He played like this showmatch was a joke.
Pretty sure that it wil be some time before organizers invite him in a showmatch.
R u serious?
- What's he supposed to do if his Expansion gets blocked by canons?
- Besides, Protoss is incredibly strong later on in the game against Z, so All-in is the only way against Toss nowadays if you want to even have the slightest chance to win.
- What can he do if his 6-pool failed, which is one of the best strats atm against Toss, cuz you may actually get some wins off of it?
Either you're lucky or your not, but in a straight-up game between two equally skilled players (although I think DIMAGA is way beyond Kiwi's skill-level, but that doesn't really matter, cuz he's playing Protoss), Zerg can't win against Toss. That's also why Cool cheesed/all-in'd InCa today in the GSL-matches.
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On September 29 2010 04:53 Alpina wrote:I understand you tried your best but that was horrible experience - stream was lagging as hell and most of time it was black screen. Out of 4(?) games I watched only 2 and horrible with lag. And no, it's not my connection's problem, it's definately the problem of host
If it was a problem with the host, then why did I not experience any lag throughout the entire match?
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On September 29 2010 04:56 dtz wrote:
dimaga has been playing very weird recently :S
even in previous series he'll dominate for 1 game. And then he'll 6pool+ workers all in the next game. And then all in baneling busts the next game.
I think the problem currently is more on his mental state / form
Seriously.
6 pooling on game 4 of a 3-0 bo7 is just dumb. Easiest play in the world to read and counter, PLUS he did the exact same thing on their previous bo7. Everyone expected this 6pool.
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On September 29 2010 04:57 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 04:55 SwampZero wrote:
what the fuck is a 6pool gonna do to a double-pyloned 10 gate? It's gonna do shit-all, that's what. Dimaga becomes very predictable. After few loosing games you can pretty much guarantee he is gonna 6 pool lol
We don't disagree, I'm saying his GG there wasn't random, it was him understanding this.
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On September 29 2010 04:59 SwampZero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 04:57 Alpina wrote:On September 29 2010 04:55 SwampZero wrote:
what the fuck is a 6pool gonna do to a double-pyloned 10 gate? It's gonna do shit-all, that's what. Dimaga becomes very predictable. After few loosing games you can pretty much guarantee he is gonna 6 pool lol We don't disagree, I'm saying his GG there wasn't random, it was him understanding this.
maybe Dimaga has become predictable because his playstyle is actually the only one that might get you some wins against Toss on a high skill-level.
Why d'you think ppl like IdrA/Artosis (heavy macro-players) aren't in the GSL anymore, but the king of cheese/all-in's, still is (cool)?
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Looked like Dimaga wasn't comfortable at any time, probably he isn't playing enough zerg anymore to stay at the top of his skill.
I thought Kiwikaki would take it down anyway, but watching dimaga play like this and get 4-0'ed that easily has nothing to do with imbalances... not like the Dimaga of old.
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This sucks so hard. kinda feel bad for dimaga, hope he keeps it together until some changes for zerg kick in.
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looks like dimaga lost the fun mh?
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On September 29 2010 04:57 Corrupted wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 04:53 Alpina wrote:I understand you tried your best but that was horrible experience - stream was lagging as hell and most of time it was black screen. Out of 4(?) games I watched only 2 and horrible with lag. And no, it's not my connection's problem, it's definately the problem of host If it was a problem with the host, then why did I not experience any lag throughout the entire match?
A lot of people had lag and a lot of did not. I dunno how Ustream works, maybe they got different servers and one lags and the other not... Anyway I watch streams A LOT and never had such horrible lag as today.
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On September 29 2010 04:48 T0fuuu wrote:
Kiwikaki is insanely good. He has so many styles of play and unbelievable unit control. I see very few protoss who use forcefield and unit placement as neatly as he does.
Tester + forcefield = GOD. But seriously, if you want to talk forcefields,micro and unit placement. Kiwi is good. . .but tester makes everyone else look bad.
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On September 29 2010 05:01 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 04:59 SwampZero wrote:On September 29 2010 04:57 Alpina wrote:On September 29 2010 04:55 SwampZero wrote:
what the fuck is a 6pool gonna do to a double-pyloned 10 gate? It's gonna do shit-all, that's what. Dimaga becomes very predictable. After few loosing games you can pretty much guarantee he is gonna 6 pool lol We don't disagree, I'm saying his GG there wasn't random, it was him understanding this. maybe Dimaga has become predictable because his playstyle is actually the only one that might get you some wins against Toss on a high skill-level. Why d'you think ppl like IdrA/Artosis (heavy macro-players) aren't in the GSL anymore, but the king of cheese/all-in's, still is (cool)?
good plays win games. bad plays lose games.
What are you even talking about, is this some kind of e-honour thing?
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On September 29 2010 05:01 Casta wrote:
Looked like Dimaga wasn't comfortable at any time, probably he isn't playing enough zerg anymore to stay at the top of his skill.
I thought Kiwikaki would take it down anyway, but watching dimaga play like this and get 4-0'ed that easily has nothing to do with imbalances... not like the Dimaga of old.
- So Dimaga thinking his only chance of beating a Protoss-player is by practically gambling with all-in builds has nothing to do with balance?
- Or the fact Dimaga now plays Terran on the Ladder has nothing to do with balance?
- Or the fact that a total monster like Dimaga get's 4-0'd that easily by another player has nothing to do with balance?
I'm not whining or crying anymore about imbalances, but I just think ppl need to understand why Dimaga felt the need to play the way he did - it's very risky, but it's far more risky to play standard, cuz then you have to rely on your opponent making huge mistakes to have any chance of winning.
@SwampZero: it's not that simple....
*Edit: Dimaga had decent standard-builds against protoss that either for example heavily relied on Ultras. Now that they're nerfed, they just aren't good enough anymore. Also, ppl gotten better at handling Mutas and especially a player that likes Blink-Stalkers as much as Kiwi will be very hard to beat with mutas.
Besides: On Maps where you could actually go Mutas against Toss, like SS, Kiwi just denied Dimagas expansion, therefore making Mutas impossible...
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On September 29 2010 05:02 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 04:57 Corrupted wrote:On September 29 2010 04:53 Alpina wrote:I understand you tried your best but that was horrible experience - stream was lagging as hell and most of time it was black screen. Out of 4(?) games I watched only 2 and horrible with lag. And no, it's not my connection's problem, it's definately the problem of host If it was a problem with the host, then why did I not experience any lag throughout the entire match? A lot of people had lag and a lot of did not. I dunno how Ustream works, maybe they got different servers and one lags and the other not... Anyway I watch streams A LOT and never had such horrible lag as today.
whatever...as long as we all agree the streamer had no control over this or ability to do anything about it.
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On September 29 2010 05:06 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 05:01 Casta wrote:
Looked like Dimaga wasn't comfortable at any time, probably he isn't playing enough zerg anymore to stay at the top of his skill.
I thought Kiwikaki would take it down anyway, but watching dimaga play like this and get 4-0'ed that easily has nothing to do with imbalances... not like the Dimaga of old. - So Dimaga thinking his only chance of beating a Protoss-player is by practically gambling with all-in builds has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact Dimaga now plays Terran on the Ladder has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact that a total monster like Dimaga get's 4-0'd that easily by another player has nothing to do with balance? I'm not whining or crying anymore about imbalances, but I just think ppl need to understand why Dimaga felt the need to play the way he did - it's very risky, but it's far more risky to play standard, cuz then you have to rely on your opponent making huge mistakes to have any chance of winning. @SwampZero: it's not that simple....
ahh...so you're speaking for Dimaga now. Well thanks for letting us know why he played the way he did...good to know we have someone here who gets those quick interviews after a game and keeps us all up to date. Personally I'd prefer quotes next time, but as long as you are telling us how he felt it's all good.
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On September 29 2010 04:57 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 04:52 Ancient.eu wrote:
What a disappointment from Dimaga. He played like this showmatch was a joke.
Pretty sure that it wil be some time before organizers invite him in a showmatch. R u serious? - What's he supposed to do if his Expansion gets blocked by canons? - Besides, Protoss is incredibly strong later on in the game against Z, so All-in is the only way against Toss nowadays if you want to even have the slightest chance to win. - What can he do if his 6-pool failed, which is one of the best strats atm against Toss, cuz you may actually get some wins off of it? Either you're lucky or your not, but in a straight-up game between two equally skilled players (although I think DIMAGA is way beyond Kiwi's skill-level, but that doesn't really matter, cuz he's playing Protoss), Zerg can't win against Toss. That's also why Cool cheesed/all-in'd InCa today in the GSL-matches.
oh what a coincidence I believe kiwikaki's skill-level is way beyond dimaga's ^_^
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Looks like Dimaga's going to switch.
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On September 29 2010 05:08 Corrupted wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 05:06 kickinhead wrote:On September 29 2010 05:01 Casta wrote:
Looked like Dimaga wasn't comfortable at any time, probably he isn't playing enough zerg anymore to stay at the top of his skill.
I thought Kiwikaki would take it down anyway, but watching dimaga play like this and get 4-0'ed that easily has nothing to do with imbalances... not like the Dimaga of old. - So Dimaga thinking his only chance of beating a Protoss-player is by practically gambling with all-in builds has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact Dimaga now plays Terran on the Ladder has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact that a total monster like Dimaga get's 4-0'd that easily by another player has nothing to do with balance? I'm not whining or crying anymore about imbalances, but I just think ppl need to understand why Dimaga felt the need to play the way he did - it's very risky, but it's far more risky to play standard, cuz then you have to rely on your opponent making huge mistakes to have any chance of winning. @SwampZero: it's not that simple.... ahh...so you're speaking for Dimaga now. Well thanks for letting us know why he played the way he did...good to know we have someone here who gets those quick interviews after a game and keeps us all up to date. Personally I'd prefer quotes next time, but as long as you are telling us how he felt it's all good.
did you see the games? Obviously, Dimaga chose to go for all-in strats very often, like the 6-pool, so I believe those are the builds he think can actually get him the win, or are you implying Dimaga plays BO's that he thinks are bad?
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I don't think dimaga played like a joke.
He just played worse then Kiwi and lost.
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Any VODs of theses matches ? WIll they be updated on their website ?
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On September 29 2010 05:11 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 05:08 Corrupted wrote:On September 29 2010 05:06 kickinhead wrote:On September 29 2010 05:01 Casta wrote:
Looked like Dimaga wasn't comfortable at any time, probably he isn't playing enough zerg anymore to stay at the top of his skill.
I thought Kiwikaki would take it down anyway, but watching dimaga play like this and get 4-0'ed that easily has nothing to do with imbalances... not like the Dimaga of old. - So Dimaga thinking his only chance of beating a Protoss-player is by practically gambling with all-in builds has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact Dimaga now plays Terran on the Ladder has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact that a total monster like Dimaga get's 4-0'd that easily by another player has nothing to do with balance? I'm not whining or crying anymore about imbalances, but I just think ppl need to understand why Dimaga felt the need to play the way he did - it's very risky, but it's far more risky to play standard, cuz then you have to rely on your opponent making huge mistakes to have any chance of winning. @SwampZero: it's not that simple.... ahh...so you're speaking for Dimaga now. Well thanks for letting us know why he played the way he did...good to know we have someone here who gets those quick interviews after a game and keeps us all up to date. Personally I'd prefer quotes next time, but as long as you are telling us how he felt it's all good. did you see the games? Obviously, Dimaga chose to go for all-in strats very often, like the 6-pool, so I believe those are the builds he think can actually get him the win, or are you implying Dimaga plays BO's that he thinks are bad?
There's no threat to an all-in build if the guy doing it is 0-3 backed against the wall.
You can just 10-gate and kill him and if he doesn't 6pool, you still got a chance, and even if you lose, you go 1-3 and choose a map to finish him. That 6 pool was very misguided.
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On September 29 2010 05:01 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 04:59 SwampZero wrote:On September 29 2010 04:57 Alpina wrote:On September 29 2010 04:55 SwampZero wrote:
what the fuck is a 6pool gonna do to a double-pyloned 10 gate? It's gonna do shit-all, that's what. Dimaga becomes very predictable. After few loosing games you can pretty much guarantee he is gonna 6 pool lol We don't disagree, I'm saying his GG there wasn't random, it was him understanding this. maybe Dimaga has become predictable because his playstyle is actually the only one that might get you some wins against Toss on a high skill-level. Why d'you think ppl like IdrA/Artosis (heavy macro-players) aren't in the GSL anymore, but the king of cheese/all-in's, still is (cool)?
Calm down brother of the swarm! At times it may feel like we have no hope against the oppresive Protoss or the Cowardly Humans, but there are beacons of light showing everywhere we go! Remember, my fellow Cerebrate, no protoss are in the final 4, but Cool is.
Keep faith, my bretheren, we shall have a golden age upon us soon.
+ Show Spoiler +PS: Idra lost because he got cheesed(mind duped to the extreme as well), and he didn't scout that hidden base in game 3. Keep in mind even without that he almost won, so Zerg ftw.
And Artosis is a beast, but did anyone really expect him to get past ro32 at most?
Dimaga did, and does, so much better when he just plays straight up macro.
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Now if he opened the bo7 with a 6pool, that would be a proper all-in.
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On September 29 2010 05:06 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 05:01 Casta wrote:
Looked like Dimaga wasn't comfortable at any time, probably he isn't playing enough zerg anymore to stay at the top of his skill.
I thought Kiwikaki would take it down anyway, but watching dimaga play like this and get 4-0'ed that easily has nothing to do with imbalances... not like the Dimaga of old. - So Dimaga thinking his only chance of beating a Protoss-player is by practically gambling with all-in builds has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact Dimaga now plays Terran on the Ladder has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact that a total monster like Dimaga get's 4-0'd that easily by another player has nothing to do with balance? I'm not whining or crying anymore about imbalances, but I just think ppl need to understand why Dimaga felt the need to play the way he did - it's very risky, but it's far more risky to play standard, cuz then you have to rely on your opponent making huge mistakes to have any chance of winning. @SwampZero: it's not that simple....
I think the matchup is imbalanced, but watching those games it seemed like Dimaga was starting off with a defeatist attitude thinking that he could only win by doing all-in... imo the matchup is not THAT broken, there is a reason a player like cool can stand toe to toe with other top players, he tries and doesn't give up and of course is extremely skilled. Sure some matches he gets steamrolled because he is zerg, but some he win because he is creative and trying so hard to win.
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On September 29 2010 05:12 Yokoblue wrote:
Any VODs of theses matches ? WIll they be updated on their website ?
vods will be recasted and uploaded in 24/48 hours on
www.youtube.com/scworldit
anyway I will wrote on first topic when rdy
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I'll probably sound very stupid , but it says on the schedule 28.09.10 , 21:00 CET
and its the 28.09, 22:00 CET where is the stream oO
Edit: Just noticed that on TL it seems to be 29th how can that be if euro time should be ahead by 6 hours I'm really confused now.
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On September 29 2010 05:15 Casta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 05:06 kickinhead wrote:On September 29 2010 05:01 Casta wrote:
Looked like Dimaga wasn't comfortable at any time, probably he isn't playing enough zerg anymore to stay at the top of his skill.
I thought Kiwikaki would take it down anyway, but watching dimaga play like this and get 4-0'ed that easily has nothing to do with imbalances... not like the Dimaga of old. - So Dimaga thinking his only chance of beating a Protoss-player is by practically gambling with all-in builds has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact Dimaga now plays Terran on the Ladder has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact that a total monster like Dimaga get's 4-0'd that easily by another player has nothing to do with balance? I'm not whining or crying anymore about imbalances, but I just think ppl need to understand why Dimaga felt the need to play the way he did - it's very risky, but it's far more risky to play standard, cuz then you have to rely on your opponent making huge mistakes to have any chance of winning. @SwampZero: it's not that simple.... I think the matchup is imbalanced, but watching those games it seemed like Dimaga was starting off with a defeatist attitude thinking that he could only win by doing all-in... imo the matchup is not THAT broken, there is a reason a player like cool can stand toe to toe with other top players, he tries and doesn't give up and of course is extremely skilled. Sure some matches he gets steamrolled because he is zerg, but some he win because he is creative and trying so hard to win.
If you look at how Cool has won his games, it's mostly because either his opponents sucked (to the point where ppl actually thought it was match-fixing because they played so badly), or his very risky all-in builds succeeded (6-pools, baneling-bust's, roach-speedling-all-in's). I'm not saying he's a bad player or anything, but it just saddens me to see that Zerg has such a hard time playing a straight-up standard macro-game.
And I do think that with the recent Ultralisk-changes, PvZ is actually THAT broken, at least in a standard macro-game. ^^'
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On September 29 2010 05:21 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I'll probably sound very stupid , but it says on the schedule 28.09.10 , 21:00 CET
and its the 28.09, 22:00 CET where is the stream oO
Edit: Just noticed that on TL it seems to be 29th how can that be if euro time should be ahead by 6 hours I'm really confused now.
first question: 22:00 is later that 21:00 so its done
second question: TL is on KST
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Just checked Dimaga's game history and he played 2 ladder games after this showmatch and 6 pooled in both (beat Kas and lost to Huk).
If he really feels like cheesy all-in builds are all he can do as Zerg then he should probably switch races.
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On September 29 2010 05:23 cuppatea wrote:
Just checked Dimaga's game history and he played 2 ladder games after this showmatch and 6 pooled in both (beat Kas and lost to Huk).
If he really feels like cheesy all-in builds are all he can do as Zerg then he should probably switch races.
Hey there creepy stalker mister
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On September 29 2010 05:21 kickinhead wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 05:15 Casta wrote:On September 29 2010 05:06 kickinhead wrote:On September 29 2010 05:01 Casta wrote:
Looked like Dimaga wasn't comfortable at any time, probably he isn't playing enough zerg anymore to stay at the top of his skill.
I thought Kiwikaki would take it down anyway, but watching dimaga play like this and get 4-0'ed that easily has nothing to do with imbalances... not like the Dimaga of old. - So Dimaga thinking his only chance of beating a Protoss-player is by practically gambling with all-in builds has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact Dimaga now plays Terran on the Ladder has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact that a total monster like Dimaga get's 4-0'd that easily by another player has nothing to do with balance? I'm not whining or crying anymore about imbalances, but I just think ppl need to understand why Dimaga felt the need to play the way he did - it's very risky, but it's far more risky to play standard, cuz then you have to rely on your opponent making huge mistakes to have any chance of winning. @SwampZero: it's not that simple.... I think the matchup is imbalanced, but watching those games it seemed like Dimaga was starting off with a defeatist attitude thinking that he could only win by doing all-in... imo the matchup is not THAT broken, there is a reason a player like cool can stand toe to toe with other top players, he tries and doesn't give up and of course is extremely skilled. Sure some matches he gets steamrolled because he is zerg, but some he win because he is creative and trying so hard to win. If you look at how Cool has won his games, it's mostly because either his opponents sucked (to the point where ppl actually thought it was match-fixing because they played so badly), or his very risky all-in builds succeeded (6-pools, baneling-bust's, roach-speedling-all-in's). I'm not saying he's a bad player or anything, but it just saddens me to see that Zerg has such a hard time playing a straight-up standard macro-game. And I do think that with the recent Ultralisk-changes, PvZ is actually THAT broken, at least in a standard macro-game. ^^'
Didn't ultralisks just get a pretty substantial nerf?
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cool would have won his first game even with the nerf.
he might have lost the third one tho.
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On September 29 2010 05:24 CheeseGrater wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2010 05:21 kickinhead wrote:On September 29 2010 05:15 Casta wrote:On September 29 2010 05:06 kickinhead wrote:On September 29 2010 05:01 Casta wrote:
Looked like Dimaga wasn't comfortable at any time, probably he isn't playing enough zerg anymore to stay at the top of his skill.
I thought Kiwikaki would take it down anyway, but watching dimaga play like this and get 4-0'ed that easily has nothing to do with imbalances... not like the Dimaga of old. - So Dimaga thinking his only chance of beating a Protoss-player is by practically gambling with all-in builds has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact Dimaga now plays Terran on the Ladder has nothing to do with balance? - Or the fact that a total monster like Dimaga get's 4-0'd that easily by another player has nothing to do with balance? I'm not whining or crying anymore about imbalances, but I just think ppl need to understand why Dimaga felt the need to play the way he did - it's very risky, but it's far more risky to play standard, cuz then you have to rely on your opponent making huge mistakes to have any chance of winning. @SwampZero: it's not that simple.... I think the matchup is imbalanced, but watching those games it seemed like Dimaga was starting off with a defeatist attitude thinking that he could only win by doing all-in... imo the matchup is not THAT broken, there is a reason a player like cool can stand toe to toe with other top players, he tries and doesn't give up and of course is extremely skilled. Sure some matches he gets steamrolled because he is zerg, but some he win because he is creative and trying so hard to win. If you look at how Cool has won his games, it's mostly because either his opponents sucked (to the point where ppl actually thought it was match-fixing because they played so badly), or his very risky all-in builds succeeded (6-pools, baneling-bust's, roach-speedling-all-in's). I'm not saying he's a bad player or anything, but it just saddens me to see that Zerg has such a hard time playing a straight-up standard macro-game. And I do think that with the recent Ultralisk-changes, PvZ is actually THAT broken, at least in a standard macro-game. ^^' Didn't ultralisks just get a pretty substantial nerf?
yes, that's my point. The only Unit that was actually good VS toss in the lategame was nerfed pretty heavily.
I mean: Broodlords just suck against decent Protoss-users and a Hydra/Corruptor/Roach-Army get's pwned so hard by Collossi/Sentry/Stalker, it's not even funny anymore. Ppl say Mutas are overpowered against Toss, but I don't agree with that at all: basically every early pressure that stops Zerg from getting up an expansion or any timing-push right before the Mutas get out will completely destroy this strat and even if it succeeds, it's nowhere near a guaranteed win, but still an uphill battle for the Zerg.
Playing a macro-game atm against Toss is just impossible, that's why I totally understand Dimagas builds and his fast GG's when his rush-attempts failed.
I'm actually surprised that he was mannered enough to "GG" after the games and even write "gratz" after the last game, cuz I (as a Zerg-player) was raging just from watching those Games
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On September 29 2010 05:28 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
is this over?
yes results are + Show Spoiler +
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Not gonna bother next time as the stream was frankly unbearable.
Tuned in for the first match, extremely poor quality at the start.
Technical difficulties came up shortly after that and I ended up staring at a black screen for the better half of 40 minutes.
Gave up after that and missed pretty much the entire series apart from 5 minutes of game 1.
From what I could gather from the comments it wasn't a huge loss though.
Point remains, the quality / reliability of the stream was abysmal.
No idea how it worked for some people, I tried different browsers and couldn't get it to show properly.
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On September 29 2010 05:31 DX_4 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Not gonna bother next time as the stream was frankly unbearable.
Tuned in for the first match, extremely poor quality at the start.
Technical difficulties came up shortly after that and I ended up staring at a black screen for the better half of 40 minutes.
Gave up after that and missed pretty much the entire series apart from 5 minutes of game 1.
From what I could gather from the comments it wasn't a huge loss though.
Point remains, the quality / reliability of the stream was abysmal.
No idea how it worked for some people, I tried different browsers and couldn't get it to show properly.
it's really strange that it worked perfectly to many ppl.. and do not work for some others..
we will try to figure it out..
my apologize.. anyway vods will be up soon
and for next week we are taking a better internet connection
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On September 29 2010 05:39 mierin wrote:
What a surprise...
I totally saw it coming...
Unfortunately though. I really think by the end of the year, there will be nearly no Zergs left at the top-level.
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 29 2010 05:34 tosS.ita wrote:it's really strange that it worked perfectly to many ppl.. and do not work for some others..
we will try to figure it out..
my apologize.. anyway vods will be up soon
and for next week we are taking a better internet connection
Didn't mean to sound overly harsh in my post, apologies for that.
But yes, I have no idea what was wrong - I could see people chatting in the box below, but the stream itself just wasn't showing except for a few minutes at the start of the event.
I tried Firefox, Opera and Chrome - made no difference.
Tested it on other streams which were working fine, did re-install plugins just in case but it didn't change anything either.
Thanks in advance for the vods
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are there any replays? wasn't able to catch the games
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Waiting patiently for VOD's
Love me some high level PvZ
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here you go
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how did kiwikaki know it was a 6 pool in the last game? what made him throw the 2nd pylon early and chrono the zealot
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People who are complaining about this match being 4-0 due to imbalance obviously know very little about the players. KiWi is far more skilled than dimaga.
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On September 30 2010 03:20 NzaR wrote:
how did kiwikaki know it was a 6 pool in the last game? what made him throw the 2nd pylon early and chrono the zealot
Very early drone scout, plus he's playing dimaga, making it approximately 25x more likely than against anyone else.
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On September 30 2010 03:20 NzaR wrote:
how did kiwikaki know it was a 6 pool in the last game? what made him throw the 2nd pylon early and chrono the zealot
The drone was trying really hard to chip away at the pylon's shields. That's often a sign of incoming zerglings to finish it off.
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Let me preface this comment by saying I am a diehard supporter of eSports, have competed in CPLs for FPS games, etc. but...
...isn't $100 an almost insulting amount to offer a professional player? I mean, sure, it's better than nothing but I make much more than this in a single day of work as I'm sure many of you do as well. The GSL, with its purse of $85k, is much more in keeping with what I hope eSports are moving towards. Even $1k...or even several hundred dollars would be a marked improvement.
My .02 -- ggs and grats KiWi.
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On September 30 2010 06:27 IPA wrote:
Let me preface this comment by saying I am a diehard supporter of eSports, have competed in CPLs for FPS games, etc. but...
...isn't $100 an almost insulting amount to offer a professional player? I mean, sure, it's better than nothing but I make much more than this in a single day of work as I'm sure many of you do as well. The GSL, with its purse of $85k, is much more in keeping with what I hope eSports are moving towards. Even $1k...or even several hundred dollars would be a marked improvement.
My .02 -- ggs and grats KiWi.
This was a maximum of 7 games. The GSL lasts an entire month. That's a month of sponsors and commercials. 100$ for 1-2 hours is great.
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On September 30 2010 04:05 PJA wrote:
People who are complaining about this match being 4-0 due to imbalance obviously know very little about the players. KiWi is far more skilled than dimaga.
not watched the games, but kiwi far more skilled than dimaga? really? what makes you say so? Dimaga has much better results in the past than kiwikaki.
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More skill as in doesn't play zerg amirite.
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Are these replays posted anywhere?
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replays will be posted also, btw. stay tuned for next episode..!
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Yay protoss vs protoss.
ok, that wasnt sincere, but I guess nothing can go any worse then it did last time. Stream down 80% of the match with dimaga all inn 3/4 games
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we have solved the streaming issue
so next will be better !
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On October 01 2010 07:43 tosS.ita wrote:
we have solved the streaming issue
so next will be better !
I wanna touch base on this for the last time, because I am tired of defending myself.
There are TONS of people, that the stream worked FLAWLESSLY for. Meaning, very little, if any, lag, and great/acceptable quality. Now, if it was a problem on MY end, meaning connection, or computer, or settings, then how in the hell could ANYONE have a good experience?
Am I incorrect in thinking this is how it is?
My signal -> Ustream server.
Ustream server #1 -> People
Ustream server #2 -> People
Ustream server #3 -> People
etc.
If server #2 is outputting crap, those people connected would have issues. This seems like the logical explanation of what happened.
It obviously isn't = My signal -> Ustream server -> People, because then everyone would have an issue, or it would be more likely that the problem is on my end.
I was gonna switch to a different service provider with more upload bandwidth, but I wasn't able to get it done yet. I will probably switch back to livestream if the testing I do this weekend doesn't produce better results.
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The vod casting of these games is my favorite casting of sc2 so far. Great job providing an excellent balance between excitement and analysis staying on top of the action and avoiding bad tropes.
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Wow, that was one sided. Didn't expect that at all. But great play from Kiwi. Seems that in the last time toss player prefer going forge into FE against Z. I ve to improve on that BO.
Keep the head up , Dimaga :D !
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don't miss the week today - 21:30 cet, kiwi vs naniwa
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EPT
