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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
September 17 2010 10:35 GMT
#701
The real shock of the 2nd match is that HongUn made it look so blissful and easy. This was supposed to be a tough battle. Damn, well done.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
QkDown
Profile Joined February 2010
United States214 Posts
September 17 2010 10:35 GMT
#702
On September 17 2010 19:28 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:25 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:23 Lefnui wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote:
Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh.

rofl

if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter.

He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll

Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base..

ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players.

I don't know what you're basing that off of. I would say that TvP is easily more balanced.

Nony and Incontrol said it in some State of the Game podcasts, to give an example. Not disagreeing, TvP is pretty bloody balanced imo as well.

zvp is largely considered the least balanced in korea right now


especially when you dont check for hidden expos
NINJA DOWN NINJA DOWN
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
September 17 2010 10:35 GMT
#703
whats with the imbalance discussion on here.. its getting a lil old, I mean pretty much everyone has agreed that the game is a lil imbalanced at the moment and that Z has gotten the short end of the stick. No need to discuss imbalance when its pretty clear cut and everybody is just waitin for the patch imo
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
September 17 2010 10:35 GMT
#704
you cant retreat vs forcefield and collusus will just rape you when you try to do so
shawabawa
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 10:36:05
September 17 2010 10:35 GMT
#705
The game on scrap station zerg was just falling apart. Clearly too frustrated over the expansion delay, didn't really prepare very well for the phoenix harrass (4 queens? really? :/).

He should have broken the rocks to his natural, and got more spores. He should have also broken the shortcut rocks and counter attacked with hydras.

First game he just committed to the fight with hydras vs force field collossus for waaaaay too long. And he was way too hydra heavy, even some lings would've helped I think. He could've also taken the island expos much faster.

edit:
On September 17 2010 19:35 4Servy wrote:
you cant retreat vs forcefield and collusus will just rape you when you try to do so

That's what the nydus worm was for.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
September 17 2010 10:36 GMT
#706
On September 17 2010 19:34 klauz619 wrote:
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t's amazing how much better Vikings are vs colossi than the unit that is supposed to hard counter them... Corruptors.


Vikings hit colossus for 28 and have 125hp.

Corruptors hit colossus for 20, but have slightly faster attack speed and 200hp/2 armor.


x20%
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Powster
Profile Joined April 2010
United States650 Posts
September 17 2010 10:36 GMT
#707
All the zerg had to do was keep like 5 hydras at each base.. then phoenix is useless.. He was grouping his whole army going around trying to stop the phoenix.
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
September 17 2010 10:36 GMT
#708
On September 17 2010 19:31 Tabbris wrote:
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On September 17 2010 19:30 happyness wrote:
I really don't see what zerg is supposed to do against phoenix abuse that good :/

spread you hydras maybe? he had them on 1 control group or somthing

Drop down 2 spores per mineral line, or at least 3 queens per base, spread creep so you have vision, make hydras, keep upgrading. Also some zerglings when you see the mass stalkers would be nice, but he was playing blind at that point.

Basically, it comes down to making enough defenses that phoenixes are ineffective, because he will lose them only if he has bad micro and focusing on the rest of his army composition.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
September 17 2010 10:36 GMT
#709
what did hongun say in the interview? missed it!!~~
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
September 17 2010 10:36 GMT
#710
Tasteless "What a sick phoenix micro.."

Sick micro? Phoenix does everything for you, it's ridiculous unit which requires pretty much zero micro.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 17 2010 10:37 GMT
#711
lol artosis you're just so jealous of rainbow.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
September 17 2010 10:37 GMT
#712
zenio threw that game away from the beginning, forcing the 2nd hatch instead of just going for a 1base opener. and then taking the third without even removing the rocks or spreading creep or even a large army? thats like gold level man. finally, leaving no hydras at his expansion to take care of phoenix ... man, so bad
starleague forever
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 17 2010 10:37 GMT
#713
The shortcut rocks and better creep spread with a spore at each base would've netted him at least parity with the Protoss Force. A little better Hydra spread along with a queen per base (Cmon 4? How many shots do they get on a phoenix picking up drones compared to hydras?) was the better play.

The economy whittling down combined with the map's very open third expansion was too much. On the flip side, this is the advantage of phoenix harass and contain.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
September 17 2010 10:37 GMT
#714
On September 17 2010 19:36 Powster wrote:
All the zerg had to do was keep like 5 hydras at each base.. then phoenix is useless.. He was grouping his whole army going around trying to stop the phoenix.


And if protoss moved his ground army in while the hydras were split up?

Didn't matter, 20 stalkers beat 20 hydra anyway.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
September 17 2010 10:37 GMT
#715
I dont understand all the imba whine from people.
Really, Have you ever play SC1 or WC3? Each race has its patch people, there are times when some races are stronger than other. But Blizzard will surely patch it out, thats why many people love Blizzard.
So please, hold on to your race, Blizzard will make it worth your while!!!
Terran
deverlight
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Korea (South)463 Posts
September 17 2010 10:37 GMT
#716
I'm upset about the result of game 1... but I thought game 2 was awesome in its own way. HongUnPrime showed how dominant he could be in the PvZ matchup... ridiculous and awesome.
proxY_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1561 Posts
September 17 2010 10:37 GMT
#717
hopetorture has got to be the best name I've seen of any of these players rofl.
Thingdo
Profile Joined August 2009
United States186 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 10:39:42
September 17 2010 10:38 GMT
#718
I can agree with the people stating that Zenio made some bad mistakes, but it was still so hard to watch him lose.

He pulled out an early advantage taking down the zealots, surprised everyone abusing the cliffs, and then pulled off an amazing snipe on the main nexus. Then the Protoss army just walked forward with collosus and destroyed everything he had.

Yes he should have had more corrupters and fewer hydras, yes he should have spread creep, no he shouldn't have engaged in the middle, but I understand why zerg fans are upset.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
September 17 2010 10:38 GMT
#719
On September 17 2010 19:28 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:25 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:23 Lefnui wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote:
Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh.

rofl

if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter.

He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll

Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base..

ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players.

I don't know what you're basing that off of. I would say that TvP is easily more balanced.

Nony and Incontrol said it in some State of the Game podcasts, to give an example. Not disagreeing, TvP is pretty bloody balanced imo as well.

zvp is largely considered the least balanced in korea right now


And i can see why after yours and zenios games.

People who have good army controll wont ever lose to a zerg ground force.

Takes the corruptors forever to kill collosus aswell, and by the time they are dead, you have killed million hydra/roach with em.

Just think about game 1, what could have gone better for the zerg until that attack outside P base?

Nothing, he was extreamly far ahead, but your fucking units cant attack a protoss with forcefield..... First you need to empty the sentrys energy, then you can attack? What a stupid fucking game this is. Patch 1.1 needs some serious changes. A few build time differences wont DO.
PulseSUI
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland305 Posts
September 17 2010 10:38 GMT
#720
what killed the zerg in the first was his 9 pool that did no damage what so ever.
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