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Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
September 17 2010 10:32 GMT
#681
On September 17 2010 19:30 happyness wrote:
I really don't see what zerg is supposed to do against phoenix abuse that good
It's called fungal growth.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Squirrel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
September 17 2010 10:32 GMT
#682
So, the max amount of Zerg that can go on is 3.

Hope yall like TvP and TvT D:
TehForce
Profile Joined July 2010
1072 Posts
September 17 2010 10:32 GMT
#683
On September 17 2010 19:30 happyness wrote:
I really don't see what zerg is supposed to do against phoenix abuse that good

put some hydras at each base instead of all between them?
NesTea <3
proxY_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1561 Posts
September 17 2010 10:32 GMT
#684
A lot of the Koreans have been saying that they think ZvP is more imbalanced than ZvT. I don't want to crassly cry about balance but there are obviously some problems with the race in general starting with the lack of options that they have. They simply have less unit choices than the other 2 and it's really been showing.

That doesn't excuse Zenio's play, he made several mistakes in the matchup primarily with unit composition and he was clearly the weaker player.
Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
September 17 2010 10:32 GMT
#685
I really like HongUn prime after listening to that interview though =D
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
September 17 2010 10:32 GMT
#686
People complaining about imbalance are ignoring the fact that HongUn played an amazing game two. That Phoenix harrass was top notch and basically won him the game.

Remember that this guy also knocked out Cezanne in the first round, so he's certainly not one of those random Protosses who lucksacked his way to this point. I think he stands to go a long way in this tournament.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Cloak
Profile Joined October 2009
United States816 Posts
September 17 2010 10:33 GMT
#687
On September 17 2010 19:24 Seam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:20 Cloak wrote:
People are quick to forget that the Protoss expanded before the Zerg who did an early pool, which is already a ridiculous advantage.



The expansions finished less than 10 seconds apart.


Relatively speaking, that's really late. Zerg always, always needs to expand first to stay even. That's how PvZ and TvZ have always been. All the larva spent on lings + expanding late = gimped Zerg eco.
The more you know, the less you understand.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
September 17 2010 10:33 GMT
#688
lol, how many zergs left in the tournament now?

You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
Dont-Panic
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany567 Posts
September 17 2010 10:33 GMT
#689
"how did you deal with the nydus worms so effectively"
He dealt with them effectively?
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
September 17 2010 10:33 GMT
#690
On September 17 2010 19:29 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:25 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:23 Lefnui wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote:
Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh.

rofl

if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter.

He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll

Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base..

ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players.

I don't know what you're basing that off of. I would say that TvP is easily more balanced.

Nony and Incontrol said it in some State of the Game podcasts, to give an example. Not disagreeing, TvP is pretty bloody balanced imo as well.

non-korean protosses in general are horrible pvz. very few people can abuse it well- just watch some socke reps and compare it to just about any other protoss.
And then watch Tester and nexgenius.

Haven't really been watching many Korean games other than the GSL, should've mentioned I was referring to western players.
But yeah, definitely been impressed by Korean toss players. Tester is a monster in SC2, and it kind of feels like the zerg so far have been lacking (Zenio for an example). Not really enough to make a judgement, for me anyhow.
This might change soon enough though.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
September 17 2010 10:33 GMT
#691
On September 17 2010 19:30 z00t wrote:
HongUn played BEAUTIFULLY - I'm so glad he went for Phoenixes and made great use of them, giving us another highly entertaining game. I still think that we don't see Phoenixes as often as we should and that they're still largely underrated.


Protoss uses phoenixes, and it's "beautiful play, great micro, what a beast"

Zerg has... Nydus worm.

And everyone goes "LOL THEY SUCK, WHAT A DUMB ZERG"

This is why almost every zerg does mutas every match, they are the only unit that can actually move around the map doing stuff without being hindered by creep.
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
September 17 2010 10:33 GMT
#692
On September 17 2010 19:30 happyness wrote:
I really don't see what zerg is supposed to do against phoenix abuse that good

For once, keep some hydras at every expansion....
I mean, no one would remove hydras from his hatches in SCBW when playing against Corsair/Reaver....
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
September 17 2010 10:34 GMT
#693
ITR AND CHECK HWAITING!
Writer@joonjoewong
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
September 17 2010 10:34 GMT
#694
i like hongun.
FTD
vxl
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden64 Posts
September 17 2010 10:34 GMT
#695
Man HongUn is awesome, hope he gets far
klauz619
Profile Joined July 2010
453 Posts
September 17 2010 10:34 GMT
#696
t's amazing how much better Vikings are vs colossi than the unit that is supposed to hard counter them... Corruptors.


Vikings hit colossus for 28 and have 125hp.

Corruptors hit colossus for 20, but have slightly faster attack speed and 200hp/2 armor.
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 10:35:58
September 17 2010 10:35 GMT
#697
On September 17 2010 19:33 Cloak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:24 Seam wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:20 Cloak wrote:
People are quick to forget that the Protoss expanded before the Zerg who did an early pool, which is already a ridiculous advantage.



The expansions finished less than 10 seconds apart.


Relatively speaking, that's really late. Zerg always, always needs to expand first to stay even. That's how PvZ and TvZ have always been. All the larva spent on lings + expanding late = gimped Zerg eco.


Man if he only went hatch first, so good versus 2 gate.. man you are a strategic master

that protoss played beautifully, letting a nydus come up in his main, kill his nexus, and another stop all saturation on his natural, and cut his gas to 3/4ths of max.

Amazing play. Amazing forcefields, hitting 1fffff and clicking in an arc.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 17 2010 10:35 GMT
#698
On September 17 2010 19:32 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:30 Tabbris wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:27 Philosophy wrote:
Its obvious that Zerg lost because he didnt spread creep, no? Appearantly, its a much bigger mistake than losing your nexus.

The arguments keep getting more and more ridiculous.

Im a zerg player and even i know he made shitty decision. Massing up hydras is bad ih hes getting like 4 collosus

again its easy to be self-critical as zerg because if youre steal playing Z youre most likely at least a little bit masochistic.
But youre missign the very important fact that protoss made just as many mistakes and easily won.


yes protoss took some heavy losses but zerg lost half his army with a futile push. it always makes me cringe when zerg players refuse to retreat sooner when forcefields and colossi are tearing up his army.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Ancient.eu
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania621 Posts
September 17 2010 10:35 GMT
#699
On September 17 2010 19:32 dacthehork wrote:
after that first game I would just turn off the computer and go home to practice terran/protoss.

No need to change race, just understand that hydras are very good in unit combinations, not alone. Massing lone hydras is just bad.
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 10:35:49
September 17 2010 10:35 GMT
#700
On September 17 2010 19:32 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:30 Tabbris wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:27 Philosophy wrote:
Its obvious that Zerg lost because he didnt spread creep, no? Appearantly, its a much bigger mistake than losing your nexus.

The arguments keep getting more and more ridiculous.

Im a zerg player and even i know he made shitty decision. Massing up hydras is bad ih hes getting like 4 collosus

again its easy to be self-critical as zerg because if youre still playing Z youre most likely at least a little bit masochistic.
But youre missign the very important fact that protoss made just as many mistakes and easily won.

I do personally think that Colos are took good vs hydras. But still i saw that stomp coming before he even took out the nexus.
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