On September 17 2010 19:37 proxY_ wrote:
hopetorture has got to be the best name I've seen of any of these players rofl.
hopetorture has got to be the best name I've seen of any of these players rofl.
His is Rainbow, isnt he?
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:37 proxY_ wrote: hopetorture has got to be the best name I've seen of any of these players rofl. His is Rainbow, isnt he? | ||
TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:36 Alpina wrote: Tasteless "What a sick phoenix micro.." Sick micro? Phoenix does everything for you, it's ridiculous unit which requires pretty much zero micro. he lost exactly one phoenix while he harassed nonstop. he always came from the right angle and never overextended himself. i would say that that is pretty good control right there. | ||
Cade
Canada1420 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:36 Alpina wrote: Tasteless "What a sick phoenix micro.." Sick micro? Phoenix does everything for you, it's ridiculous unit which requires pretty much zero micro. Yeah you are wrong. He did have very good Phoenix micro | ||
HolydaKing
21253 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:37 proxY_ wrote: hopetorture has got to be the best name I've seen of any of these players rofl. seriously, how can you take such a name lol Xx | ||
Jukebox Joe
United Kingdom358 Posts
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:35 dacthehork wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2010 19:33 Cloak wrote: On September 17 2010 19:24 Seam wrote: On September 17 2010 19:20 Cloak wrote: People are quick to forget that the Protoss expanded before the Zerg who did an early pool, which is already a ridiculous advantage. The expansions finished less than 10 seconds apart. Relatively speaking, that's really late. Zerg always, always needs to expand first to stay even. That's how PvZ and TvZ have always been. All the larva spent on lings + expanding late = gimped Zerg eco. Man if he only went hatch first, so good versus 2 gate.. man you are a strategic master that protoss played beautifully, letting a nydus come up in his main, kill his nexus, and another stop all saturation on his natural, and cut his gas to 3/4ths of max. Amazing play. Amazing forcefields, hitting 1fffff and clicking in an arc. The minute you see a Forge, you don't go Roach Rush, that's just stupid. And yea, hatch first is fine for certain maps and will be the standard once the Zealots get their nerfbat. 2 gate will have no teeth at that point. | ||
Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:37 Caphe wrote: I dont understand all the imba whine from people. Really, Have you ever play SC1 or WC3? Each race has its patch people, there are times when some races are stronger than other. But Blizzard will surely patch it out, thats why many people love Blizzard. So please, hold on to your race, Blizzard will make it worth your while!!! People are whining because there is 85k prize on the line and zerg players don't have a shot it seems. | ||
TehForce
1072 Posts
You can harrass as good as u want, if u attack with an army thats countered so much like the zerg did it is not suprrising that he lost. His corrupers were way late. he know for 5 minutes that the p builds colossi. Havin 3 !! corrupters when p arrives with 4 colossi at ur natural just doesn't do it. | ||
Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:28 IdrA wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2010 19:25 vyyye wrote: On September 17 2010 19:23 Lefnui wrote: On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote: On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote: On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote: Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh. rofl if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter. He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base.. ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players. I don't know what you're basing that off of. I would say that TvP is easily more balanced. Nony and Incontrol said it in some State of the Game podcasts, to give an example. Not disagreeing, TvP is pretty bloody balanced imo as well. zvp is largely considered the least balanced in korea right now Which is somehow funny considering that several weeks ago (without patch since then) you and many ppl were whining about TvZ imbalance. I know that the game is changing very fast, but it's absolutely possible that in several weeks (without patch even though it's of course coming) the thoughts about balance have changed again. Overall, I still think that it is bad that zerg has no way to stop protoss from early expanding like it was possible in BW. There, you always had to fear a hydra bust, which is not possible here. | ||
andrinho
United States90 Posts
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shawabawa
United Kingdom417 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:36 Powster wrote: All the zerg had to do was keep like 5 hydras at each base.. then phoenix is useless.. He was grouping his whole army going around trying to stop the phoenix. wrong. Do you have any idea how fast phoenix kill hydras? 5 shots. If you leave like 5 hydras isolated he'll just run up with his 7 phoenixes and pick them all off. | ||
Ygz
England370 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:35 diehilde wrote: whats with the imbalance discussion on here.. its getting a lil old, I mean pretty much everyone has agreed that the game is a lil imbalanced at the moment and that Z has gotten the short end of the stick. No need to discuss imbalance when its pretty clear cut and everybody is just waitin for the patch imo While I agree, you can't expect people to not want to vent their frustration considering balance, that match was so painful to watch from a Zerg POV. Granted HongUn is a great player but you can clearly see how hard it is for Zerg atm. | ||
klauz619
453 Posts
Didn't matter, 20 stalkers beat 20 hydra anyway. Well considering stalkers cost more than hydras. Sick micro? Phoenix does everything for you, it's ridiculous unit which requires pretty much zero micro. Let me guess, you think harassing with mutas take godlike skill? | ||
archaik
Sweden32 Posts
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:40 shawabawa wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2010 19:36 Powster wrote: All the zerg had to do was keep like 5 hydras at each base.. then phoenix is useless.. He was grouping his whole army going around trying to stop the phoenix. wrong. Do you have any idea how fast phoenix kill hydras? 5 shots. If you leave like 5 hydras isolated he'll just run up with his 7 phoenixes and pick them all off. YEA IDIOT. SPECIALLY THE PHOENIXES THAT SHOOT WHILE GRAVITOND! User was warned for this post | ||
dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
He even was transitioning to roach/corrupter off 3 base. Maybe he had larvae saved up or something not apparent, but he did sick harass, killed a base! Protoss, attack moves, throws some forcefields, STOPS to take the gold expansion with a nexus, then rolls over a stupidly ahead zerg. | ||
QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:39 Cloak wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2010 19:35 dacthehork wrote: On September 17 2010 19:33 Cloak wrote: On September 17 2010 19:24 Seam wrote: On September 17 2010 19:20 Cloak wrote: People are quick to forget that the Protoss expanded before the Zerg who did an early pool, which is already a ridiculous advantage. The expansions finished less than 10 seconds apart. Relatively speaking, that's really late. Zerg always, always needs to expand first to stay even. That's how PvZ and TvZ have always been. All the larva spent on lings + expanding late = gimped Zerg eco. Man if he only went hatch first, so good versus 2 gate.. man you are a strategic master that protoss played beautifully, letting a nydus come up in his main, kill his nexus, and another stop all saturation on his natural, and cut his gas to 3/4ths of max. Amazing play. Amazing forcefields, hitting 1fffff and clicking in an arc. The minute you see a Forge, you don't go Roach Rush, that's just stupid. And yea, hatch first is fine for certain maps and will be the standard once the Zealots get their nerfbat. 2 gate will have no teeth at that point. Hatch "first" worked out pretty well for Z in the Scrap Station game. Keep in mind Zealots aren't the only problem vs. hatch first strategies ![]() | ||
TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:40 shawabawa wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2010 19:36 Powster wrote: All the zerg had to do was keep like 5 hydras at each base.. then phoenix is useless.. He was grouping his whole army going around trying to stop the phoenix. wrong. Do you have any idea how fast phoenix kill hydras? 5 shots. If you leave like 5 hydras isolated he'll just run up with his 7 phoenixes and pick them all off. he built only 5 phoenixes so please stop with saying "if he built 7 then this would happen" | ||
Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:36 keV. wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2010 19:34 klauz619 wrote: t's amazing how much better Vikings are vs colossi than the unit that is supposed to hard counter them... Corruptors. Vikings hit colossus for 28 and have 125hp. Corruptors hit colossus for 20, but have slightly faster attack speed and 200hp/2 armor. x20% Is there any reason why corruptors shouldnt have more range? Seems like pretty sucky unit too me. They are supposed to counter massive units, but they really dont. | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:40 Drazzzt wrote: Show nested quote + On September 17 2010 19:28 IdrA wrote: On September 17 2010 19:25 vyyye wrote: On September 17 2010 19:23 Lefnui wrote: On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote: On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote: On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote: Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh. rofl if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter. He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base.. ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players. I don't know what you're basing that off of. I would say that TvP is easily more balanced. Nony and Incontrol said it in some State of the Game podcasts, to give an example. Not disagreeing, TvP is pretty bloody balanced imo as well. zvp is largely considered the least balanced in korea right now Which is somehow funny considering that several weeks ago (without patch since then) you and many ppl were whining about TvZ imbalance. I know that the game is changing very fast, but it's absolutely possible that in several weeks (without patch even though it's of course coming) the thoughts about balance have changed again. Overall, I still think that it is bad that zerg has no way to stop protoss from early expanding like it was possible in BW. There, you always had to fear a hydra bust, which is not possible here. no one said tvz is balanced now, zvp has just gotten even worse. | ||
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