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Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
September 17 2010 10:38 GMT
#721
On September 17 2010 19:37 proxY_ wrote:
hopetorture has got to be the best name I've seen of any of these players rofl.

His is Rainbow, isnt he?
Terran
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
September 17 2010 10:38 GMT
#722
On September 17 2010 19:36 Alpina wrote:
Tasteless "What a sick phoenix micro.."

Sick micro? Phoenix does everything for you, it's ridiculous unit which requires pretty much zero micro.

he lost exactly one phoenix while he harassed nonstop. he always came from the right angle and never overextended himself. i would say that that is pretty good control right there.
FTD
Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
September 17 2010 10:38 GMT
#723
On September 17 2010 19:36 Alpina wrote:
Tasteless "What a sick phoenix micro.."

Sick micro? Phoenix does everything for you, it's ridiculous unit which requires pretty much zero micro.


Yeah you are wrong. He did have very good Phoenix micro
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
September 17 2010 10:38 GMT
#724
On September 17 2010 19:37 proxY_ wrote:
hopetorture has got to be the best name I've seen of any of these players rofl.

seriously, how can you take such a name lol Xx
Jukebox Joe
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom358 Posts
September 17 2010 10:38 GMT
#725
HopeTorture could not be further away from IntoTheRainbow
Cloak
Profile Joined October 2009
United States816 Posts
September 17 2010 10:39 GMT
#726
On September 17 2010 19:35 dacthehork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:33 Cloak wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:24 Seam wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:20 Cloak wrote:
People are quick to forget that the Protoss expanded before the Zerg who did an early pool, which is already a ridiculous advantage.



The expansions finished less than 10 seconds apart.


Relatively speaking, that's really late. Zerg always, always needs to expand first to stay even. That's how PvZ and TvZ have always been. All the larva spent on lings + expanding late = gimped Zerg eco.


Man if he only went hatch first, so good versus 2 gate.. man you are a strategic master

that protoss played beautifully, letting a nydus come up in his main, kill his nexus, and another stop all saturation on his natural, and cut his gas to 3/4ths of max.

Amazing play. Amazing forcefields, hitting 1fffff and clicking in an arc.


The minute you see a Forge, you don't go Roach Rush, that's just stupid. And yea, hatch first is fine for certain maps and will be the standard once the Zealots get their nerfbat. 2 gate will have no teeth at that point.
The more you know, the less you understand.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
September 17 2010 10:39 GMT
#727
On September 17 2010 19:37 Caphe wrote:
I dont understand all the imba whine from people.
Really, Have you ever play SC1 or WC3? Each race has its patch people, there are times when some races are stronger than other. But Blizzard will surely patch it out, thats why many people love Blizzard.
So please, hold on to your race, Blizzard will make it worth your while!!!


People are whining because there is 85k prize on the line and zerg players don't have a shot it seems.
TehForce
Profile Joined July 2010
1072 Posts
September 17 2010 10:39 GMT
#728
To game one, yes he did good things like occupying the cliff and sniping the nexus, but if a protoss does warp-hin harras with a warp prism and sniping a hatch but then dying to mutalisks because he only build zealots nobody would cry imbalance.
You can harrass as good as u want, if u attack with an army thats countered so much like the zerg did it is not suprrising that he lost.
His corrupers were way late. he know for 5 minutes that the p builds colossi. Havin 3 !! corrupters when p arrives with 4 colossi at ur natural just doesn't do it.

NesTea <3
Drazzzt
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany999 Posts
September 17 2010 10:40 GMT
#729
On September 17 2010 19:28 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:25 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:23 Lefnui wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote:
Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh.

rofl

if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter.

He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll

Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base..

ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players.

I don't know what you're basing that off of. I would say that TvP is easily more balanced.

Nony and Incontrol said it in some State of the Game podcasts, to give an example. Not disagreeing, TvP is pretty bloody balanced imo as well.

zvp is largely considered the least balanced in korea right now


Which is somehow funny considering that several weeks ago (without patch since then) you and many ppl were whining about TvZ imbalance. I know that the game is changing very fast, but it's absolutely possible that in several weeks (without patch even though it's of course coming) the thoughts about balance have changed again.

Overall, I still think that it is bad that zerg has no way to stop protoss from early expanding like it was possible in BW. There, you always had to fear a hydra bust, which is not possible here.
Be Nice, Be Fair, Be Mannered.
andrinho
Profile Joined July 2010
United States90 Posts
September 17 2010 10:40 GMT
#730
Every zerg I watch in the GSL ensures me that Sen could easily be laying the law in Seoul.
shawabawa
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom417 Posts
September 17 2010 10:40 GMT
#731
On September 17 2010 19:36 Powster wrote:
All the zerg had to do was keep like 5 hydras at each base.. then phoenix is useless.. He was grouping his whole army going around trying to stop the phoenix.

wrong.
Do you have any idea how fast phoenix kill hydras? 5 shots.

If you leave like 5 hydras isolated he'll just run up with his 7 phoenixes and pick them all off.
Ygz
Profile Joined June 2010
England370 Posts
September 17 2010 10:40 GMT
#732
On September 17 2010 19:35 diehilde wrote:
whats with the imbalance discussion on here.. its getting a lil old, I mean pretty much everyone has agreed that the game is a lil imbalanced at the moment and that Z has gotten the short end of the stick. No need to discuss imbalance when its pretty clear cut and everybody is just waitin for the patch imo


While I agree, you can't expect people to not want to vent their frustration considering balance, that match was so painful to watch from a Zerg POV. Granted HongUn is a great player but you can clearly see how hard it is for Zerg atm.
Everything Newton said.
klauz619
Profile Joined July 2010
453 Posts
September 17 2010 10:40 GMT
#733
Didn't matter, 20 stalkers beat 20 hydra anyway.


Well considering stalkers cost more than hydras.

Sick micro? Phoenix does everything for you, it's ridiculous unit which requires pretty much zero micro.


Let me guess, you think harassing with mutas take godlike skill?
archaik
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden32 Posts
September 17 2010 10:40 GMT
#734
Artosis should stop whining and bitching about terran. He will never be a top zerg regardless if zerg is under powered or over powered, he's just bad.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 10:41:26
September 17 2010 10:41 GMT
#735
On September 17 2010 19:40 shawabawa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:36 Powster wrote:
All the zerg had to do was keep like 5 hydras at each base.. then phoenix is useless.. He was grouping his whole army going around trying to stop the phoenix.

wrong.
Do you have any idea how fast phoenix kill hydras? 5 shots.

If you leave like 5 hydras isolated he'll just run up with his 7 phoenixes and pick them all off.


YEA IDIOT. SPECIALLY THE PHOENIXES THAT SHOOT WHILE GRAVITOND!


User was warned for this post
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
dacthehork
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2000 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 10:42:21
September 17 2010 10:41 GMT
#736
I'm not going to say anything but I've watched SC1 a lot, etc. I've seen games and zerg should have won that. It was just ridiculous, every harass idea he had worked perfectly, he did the right build orders etc.. It's not fun to watch a game and see a guy lose that in a balanced game should win.

He even was transitioning to roach/corrupter off 3 base. Maybe he had larvae saved up or something not apparent, but he did sick harass, killed a base!

Protoss, attack moves, throws some forcefields, STOPS to take the gold expansion with a nexus,

then rolls over a stupidly ahead zerg.
Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
September 17 2010 10:41 GMT
#737
On September 17 2010 19:39 Cloak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:35 dacthehork wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:33 Cloak wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:24 Seam wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:20 Cloak wrote:
People are quick to forget that the Protoss expanded before the Zerg who did an early pool, which is already a ridiculous advantage.



The expansions finished less than 10 seconds apart.


Relatively speaking, that's really late. Zerg always, always needs to expand first to stay even. That's how PvZ and TvZ have always been. All the larva spent on lings + expanding late = gimped Zerg eco.


Man if he only went hatch first, so good versus 2 gate.. man you are a strategic master

that protoss played beautifully, letting a nydus come up in his main, kill his nexus, and another stop all saturation on his natural, and cut his gas to 3/4ths of max.

Amazing play. Amazing forcefields, hitting 1fffff and clicking in an arc.


The minute you see a Forge, you don't go Roach Rush, that's just stupid. And yea, hatch first is fine for certain maps and will be the standard once the Zealots get their nerfbat. 2 gate will have no teeth at that point.

Hatch "first" worked out pretty well for Z in the Scrap Station game.

Keep in mind Zealots aren't the only problem vs. hatch first strategies
. . . nevermore
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
September 17 2010 10:41 GMT
#738
On September 17 2010 19:40 shawabawa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:36 Powster wrote:
All the zerg had to do was keep like 5 hydras at each base.. then phoenix is useless.. He was grouping his whole army going around trying to stop the phoenix.

wrong.
Do you have any idea how fast phoenix kill hydras? 5 shots.

If you leave like 5 hydras isolated he'll just run up with his 7 phoenixes and pick them all off.


he built only 5 phoenixes so please stop with saying "if he built 7 then this would happen"
FTD
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
September 17 2010 10:41 GMT
#739
On September 17 2010 19:36 keV. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:34 klauz619 wrote:
t's amazing how much better Vikings are vs colossi than the unit that is supposed to hard counter them... Corruptors.


Vikings hit colossus for 28 and have 125hp.

Corruptors hit colossus for 20, but have slightly faster attack speed and 200hp/2 armor.


x20%


Is there any reason why corruptors shouldnt have more range? Seems like pretty sucky unit too me. They are supposed to counter massive units, but they really dont.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
September 17 2010 10:41 GMT
#740
On September 17 2010 19:40 Drazzzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2010 19:28 IdrA wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:25 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:23 Lefnui wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:21 vyyye wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:19 dacthehork wrote:
On September 17 2010 19:18 vxl wrote:
Angry zerg players acting like Zenio didn't do any mistakes. Heh.

rofl

if it was protoss "over doing" stalkers he could just blink micro and still defeat a hard counter.

He also did have corrupters out, they just take 10 days to kill coll

Face it the game is NOT balanced, zerg can still win. If zerg had played that good and was terran the game would be over. 3 Bases to 1 base..

ZvP is largely considered the most balanced match up in the game by top players.

I don't know what you're basing that off of. I would say that TvP is easily more balanced.

Nony and Incontrol said it in some State of the Game podcasts, to give an example. Not disagreeing, TvP is pretty bloody balanced imo as well.

zvp is largely considered the least balanced in korea right now


Which is somehow funny considering that several weeks ago (without patch since then) you and many ppl were whining about TvZ imbalance. I know that the game is changing very fast, but it's absolutely possible that in several weeks (without patch even though it's of course coming) the thoughts about balance have changed again.

Overall, I still think that it is bad that zerg has no way to stop protoss from early expanding like it was possible in BW. There, you always had to fear a hydra bust, which is not possible here.

no one said tvz is balanced now, zvp has just gotten even worse.
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