EPTJust a thought.
And one more: The commentating on KeepingWeRRa having an "easy" victory in his previous PvP should really be a tribute to his skill. It was not easy, he just made it seem easy.
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Just a thought. And one more: The commentating on KeepingWeRRa having an "easy" victory in his previous PvP should really be a tribute to his skill. It was not easy, he just made it seem easy. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:40 Drazzzt wrote: actually, a few weeks ago idra was talking about how zvp was imbalanced too, but zvt was just much worse so thats why he gave it more attention. at that time he also mentioned koreans complaining about zvpWhich is somehow funny considering that several weeks ago (without patch since then) you and many ppl were whining about TvZ imbalance. I know that the game is changing very fast, but it's absolutely possible that in several weeks (without patch even though it's of course coming) the thoughts about balance have changed again. Overall, I still think that it is bad that zerg has no way to stop protoss from early expanding like it was possible in BW. There, you always had to fear a hydra bust, which is not possible here. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:35 QkDown wrote: especially when you dont check for hidden expos Hope you enjoyed your short stay at teamliquid. On topic, ZvP may be imbalanced atm, but that isn't why zerg lost that series. His choices in both games weren't the best given the situation and using a single control group of hydras to chase around phoenix on a map like scrap station is just straight up foolish. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:39 Cloak wrote: The minute you see a Forge, you don't go Roach Rush, that's just stupid. And yea, hatch first is fine for certain maps and will be the standard once the Zealots get their nerfbat. 2 gate will have no teeth at that point. you need to go roach after such an opening. He has 2 gates and u need to power drones hard after a 9 pool. If u dont go roaches he just goes with a delayed 5-7 zealot push before u get any sunkens up at ur nat. Either u lose right there or ur forced to make a ton of zerglings which cant do shit offensively. So he just pulls back and is far far ahead because ur economy is in shambles. | ||
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Brundlefly
Norway56 Posts
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rextyrann
Germany41 Posts
there is no need no discuss this balancing topic anymore. this tournament is probably the most important one to blizz. once the ro8 are Ts only and in ro16 only 1-2 zergs are left. they will HAVE to think about zerg. they will check the zerg games and reevaluate. if they find out zerg is indeed UP there will be patches with A LOT OF CHANGES. so just enjoy the games where there are still manly zerg players fighting uphill. and then dont watch when its TvT only. blizz will take the consequences. we just have to wait now... it will be just a matter of time. since for blizz this isnt some patsy project. its not pvp for wow or back when wc3 had to balanced. there is hundreds of millions of sponsor money and licensing profits at stake. they wont screw up the balance like they did with those other 2 games. wait, watch and see. | ||
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AlTheCake
Canada1071 Posts
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Philosophy
186 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:40 Drazzzt wrote: Which is somehow funny considering that several weeks ago (without patch since then) you and many ppl were whining about TvZ imbalance. I know that the game is changing very fast, but it's absolutely possible that in several weeks (without patch even though it's of course coming) the thoughts about balance have changed again. Overall, I still think that it is bad that zerg has no way to stop protoss from early expanding like it was possible in BW. There, you always had to fear a hydra bust, which is not possible here. Well, TvZ is still horrible for Zerg, just like PvZ. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:40 Drazzzt wrote: Which is somehow funny considering that several weeks ago (without patch since then) you and many ppl were whining about TvZ imbalance. I know that the game is changing very fast, but it's absolutely possible that in several weeks (without patch even though it's of course coming) the thoughts about balance have changed again. Overall, I still think that it is bad that zerg has no way to stop protoss from early expanding like it was possible in BW. There, you always had to fear a hydra bust, which is not possible here. Terrans are a lot better at abusing terran(and its easier to abuse terran) then Protoss are at abusing protoss. The reason Idra or other zergs dotn talk about it as much is because it only concerns the highest level and it is too hard to explain to a community filled with low-level people. | ||
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The Touch
United Kingdom667 Posts
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vxl
Sweden64 Posts
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:41 Pekkz wrote: Is there any reason why corruptors shouldnt have more range? Seems like pretty sucky unit too me. They are supposed to counter massive units, but they really dont. I don't know why you think this. Corrupters are extremely dominant against collosus and other air/massive units. They shouldn't get more range because they have two armor and 200 health. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:42 rextyrann wrote: you make a good point sirmy dear zerg friends... there is no need no discuss this balancing topic anymore. this tournament is probably the most important one to blizz. once the ro8 are Ts only and in ro16 only 1-2 zergs are left. they will HAVE to think about zerg. they will check the zerg games and reevaluate. if they find out zerg is indeed UP there will be patches with A LOT OF CHANGES. so just enjoy the games where there are still manly zerg players fighting uphill. and then dont watch when its TvT only. blizz will take the consequences. we just have to wait now... it will be just a matter of time. since for blizz this isnt some patsy project. its not pvp for wow or back when wc3 had to balanced. there is hundreds of millions of sponsor money and licensing profits at stake. they wont screw up the balance like they did with those other 2 games. wait, watch and see. | ||
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klauz619
453 Posts
Is there any reason why corruptors shouldnt have more range? Seems like pretty sucky unit too me. They are supposed to counter massive units, but they really dont. They already have 200hp/2 armor for taking the hits. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6172 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:41 keV. wrote: YEA IDIOT. SPECIALLY THE PHOENIXES THAT SHOOT WHILE GRAVITOND! dude.. manner... 7 pheonix is enough vs 5 hydra. u lift 5, 2 phenoix shoot. 1 hydra die, 3 phoenix shoot 1 hydra die, 4 phoenix shoot etc.. when graviton finish, you got 2 phenix with still enough energie to lift... so yeah, it work | ||
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TehForce
1072 Posts
sniping only the nexus with no worker kills doesnt hurt soooooo much. Yes u are losing mining time, but just for less than a minute. he just f***** up the unit composition | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:44 keV. wrote: I don't know why you think this. Corrupters are extremely dominant against collosus and other air/massive units. They shouldn't get more range because they have two armor and 200 health. What sits under colossi? Usually a crapton of stalkers Vikings can snipe colossi, corruptors will be getting blasted as they kill the colossi unless you have a alrge number of them. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:45 TehForce wrote: Also the zerg harrasment wasn't that good like it looked in game 1. He killed 1 assimilator, 1 nexus and 1 forge, thats all! also investing himself 2 useles spines that are not cheap. sniping only the nexus with no worker kills doesnt hurt soooooo much. Yes u are losing mining time, but just for less than a minute. he just f***** up the unit composition have you ever tried to mine at a base where a few nodes are in range of the enemy? You can't saturate at all or else the AI will start killing your workers pretty fast. Sniping 3 zealots, forge, pressure at natural (stopping saturation and gas), killing the main. Protoss actually stopped to take the gold expo before even killing the zerg.. Either something really messed up with zerg's macro happened we couldn't see or the game is just ridiculous. Zenio put in an amazing amount of games and trains in oGs, he was one of the top zergs throughout beta and put in ridiculous effort. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:39 Zzoram wrote: People are whining because there is 85k prize on the line and zerg players don't have a shot it seems. Well, as someone followed both SC1 and WC3 pro-scene for many years. I can say that, it happens in the early stage of every Blizzard games. In the early day of SC1, Terran was shit, its all Zerg and Protoss that won Tourney left and right in Korea. Same can be said about WC3, there are times Human owns everything, then NE etc... Remember, in this hard time, heroes will be born, just like Boxer to SC1. Boxer emerge when everyone was thinking Terran is rubbish, that's why he is the Emperor. Same can be said for Reach, Reach beat Boxer in OSL when Protoss was in a deep slump so even Reach only won 1 OSL, he was always loved by fans in Korea and abroad. | ||
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