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On August 20 2010 01:42 Contention wrote:
To people who're saying IdrA should've gotten Roaches, the problem with that against this build is the Terran already has 3+ Rax w/ Tech Labs so they simply start pressing their D button instead of R and instantly have a giant counter to your Roaches for a quick push.
You only need like 4 roaches to counter anything but like 10+ reapers....I agree that T needs a nerf but the whining about EVERY single T win is getting really stupid.
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On August 20 2010 01:45 Tantaburs wrote:
I hate it when they start early what happened first game?
3rax reaper took out both queens while IdrA had been droning heavily (cross spawn) which basically let IdrA with nothing. No queens and could only make lings while Demuslim kept pumping reapers.
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On August 20 2010 01:40 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2010 01:38 doss wrote:
This is one of the reasons why zerg claim imbalance in the early game vs terran. Roaches = reaper harass fails. It's idra's own fault for being the greediest player around. Show nested quote +On August 20 2010 01:39 Kiarip wrote:On August 20 2010 01:38 EleanorRIgby wrote:
idra was so greedy and just refused to put down that roach warren putting down the roach warren is autoloss. you need to survive to mutas, there's no other way. How the hell is it autoloss? It's cheap and all he would need is 4/5 roaches to defend and he'd be able to tech up to mutas easily.
he'll bring 2 concussive marauders... and kill all your roaches with reapers.
and he can't put too many drones on gas, because he needs the minerals, but he won't have enough gas if he gets roaches, and marauders will only force him to get more lings, but then he won't have the minerals to support the lings it's a vicious cycle that sets you miles behind. You need to defend with lings/few spines.
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On August 20 2010 01:46 dambros wrote:
Did idra lose the series? I couldn't follow it :/
Demuslim won the first game. They are playing the second now.
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On August 20 2010 01:46 KingRajesh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2010 01:43 Brad wrote:On August 20 2010 01:42 KingRajesh wrote:On August 20 2010 01:41 Catalyst wrote:On August 20 2010 01:38 Black Gun wrote:
wtf?! seriously, wtf just happened?
seems like T -> mass 1 type of bio unit, control it well -> win. What the hell is wrong with you people? The fact that Idra invariably expands immediately and powers drones isn't a consideration at all? If this was Brood War a fast expand vs. rush would be considered a build order loss. Why is the complete predictability of Idra's play not taken into consideration here? Because there isn't anything else to do. You need to fast expand against a terran to even have a chance. DIMAGA just beat two Terrans without FE. Those terrans were terrible, and pretty sure Dimaga fast expanded against Sarens. 
I'm sure they're terrible. Keep preaching.
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anyways, Strelok lost, and he won by 2-1 against DM, so no way he's advancing in a 3 way tie. But if Idra wins, he still moves forward i guess, if he wins now twice.
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Terran: "Oh I need to win this game, I better just make one unit and micro it like crazy until I win. Its not like I'm playing against a Terran."
Seriously, what unit can zerg or protoss make that doesn't put them in a deficit early game when going up against either marauders (protoss) or reapers(zerg).
Sure Idra could have played safe on one base with a roach warren on cross positions, but then terran gets a second base and all the barracks with tech labs making reapers just switch to making marauders.
Sure Hasu could have massed immortals and sentries/zealots/High templar but then terran just turtles up on his 3-4 bases and just outproduces him.
This is why people whine about Terran, its too easy for them to seal an advantage, one unit play with moderate micro management will secure a win for any competent terran player.
Once they have the lead, they cannot lose it, even destroying all their workers makes no difference, because 4 mules will somehow allow for a player to come back and produce enough to get back in the game in less than 5 minutes 
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apollo says some retarded things sometimes
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On August 20 2010 01:47 Armsved wrote:
Apollo is so so so bad.
better than most of the other 'new' casters that have arisen lately.
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On August 20 2010 01:48 Geo.Rion wrote:
anyways, Strelok lost, and he won by 2-1 against DM, so no way he's advancing in a 3 way tie. But if Idra wins, he still moves forward i guess, if he wins now twice.
He will advance regardless of the outcome.
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On August 20 2010 01:46 QuakerOats wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2010 01:43 jalstar wrote:On August 20 2010 01:42 Contention wrote:
To people who're saying IdrA should've gotten Roaches, the problem with that against this build is the Terran already has 3+ Rax w/ Tech Labs so they simply start pressing their D button instead of R and instantly have a giant counter to your Roaches for a quick push. Idra had a spire going up, the roaches would have helped him survive until muta, and rauders obviously do nothing against muta. If he built roach he would have had a much worse economy, would've spent gas on roaches so when the mutas come out there's only 2 or 3 of them. Terran already had 5 rax on two bases, throw up a few turrets and you're set. Not saying this build is unbeatable, but... there's no apparent counter to it.
I'm not saying a full roach transition into mass roaches, just a few to tank reaper shots while the lings surround the reapers. Then he would have been at least alive to continue his build.
But you're right in that roaches are a safer but much less economical way to play in the early game.
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Oh my god, great micro from Demuslim. Not easy to avoid that many banelings, he's in a really good spot now.
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In b4:
Banelings needs to be stronger/faster!
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Poor banelings.
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Putting on a Micro clinic.
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i wonder if idra had the centrifugal upgrade.
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