On August 04 2010 04:33 infuzer wrote: SC is like 99% macro. WC3 is like 99% micro. I think SC2 depends more on micro than macro for winning.
SC2 is 99% timings, build orders, and decision making. Micro and macro are the easiest aspects by far.
Moreover, while macro was nonexistent in WC3, micro wasn't nonexistent in SC. It was very much there and much, much harder to pull off than in WC3, although admittably the game wasn't as much about micro as WC3. Anyway, this is why Bisu is the person whose micro has been by far the most impressive I've ever seen from any game. I don't get it why they think SC had no micro.
I don't see how micro in BW is harder to pull off than in WC3. WC3 has tons of spells and fewer units which makes it even more important to keep your units alive.
I'm going to be rooting for MadFrog, that guy was godlike in WC3.
The APM of starcraft and war3 didn't even compare in the pro world, this has been discussed and proven a billion times. war3 max apm 80+, starcraft 400+.
War3 had no macro and had to micro 4-10 units. Starcraft had tons of macro and had to micro 4-10 units and 10-20 units and 20-30 units etc etc.
Starcraft encompassed far more than War3 ever could.
On August 04 2010 04:33 infuzer wrote: SC is like 99% macro. WC3 is like 99% micro. I think SC2 depends more on micro than macro for winning.
SC2 is 99% timings, build orders, and decision making. Micro and macro are the easiest aspects by far.
Moreover, while macro was nonexistent in WC3, micro wasn't nonexistent in SC. It was very much there and much, much harder to pull off than in WC3, although admittably the game wasn't as much about micro as WC3. Anyway, this is why Bisu is the person whose micro has been by far the most impressive I've ever seen from any game. I don't get it why they think SC had no micro.
I don't see how micro in BW is harder to pull off than in WC3. WC3 has tons of spells and fewer units which makes it even more important to keep your units alive.
I'm going to be rooting for MadFrog, that guy was godlike in WC3.
The APM of starcraft and war3 didn't even compare in the pro world, this has been discussed and proven a billion times. war3 max apm 80+, starcraft 400+.
War3 had no macro and had to micro 4-10 units. Starcraft had tons of macro and had to micro 4-10 units and 10-20 units and 20-30 units etc etc.
Starcraft encompassed far more than War3 ever could.
MadFrog averaged over 200 apm, and in one game he had 379 apm in a 30 minute game against Grubby:
On August 04 2010 04:33 infuzer wrote: SC is like 99% macro. WC3 is like 99% micro. I think SC2 depends more on micro than macro for winning.
SC2 is 99% timings, build orders, and decision making. Micro and macro are the easiest aspects by far.
Moreover, while macro was nonexistent in WC3, micro wasn't nonexistent in SC. It was very much there and much, much harder to pull off than in WC3, although admittably the game wasn't as much about micro as WC3. Anyway, this is why Bisu is the person whose micro has been by far the most impressive I've ever seen from any game. I don't get it why they think SC had no micro.
I don't see how micro in BW is harder to pull off than in WC3. WC3 has tons of spells and fewer units which makes it even more important to keep your units alive.
I'm going to be rooting for MadFrog, that guy was godlike in WC3.
The APM of starcraft and war3 didn't even compare in the pro world, this has been discussed and proven a billion times. war3 max apm 80+, starcraft 400+.
War3 had no macro and had to micro 4-10 units. Starcraft had tons of macro and had to micro 4-10 units and 10-20 units and 20-30 units etc etc.
Starcraft encompassed far more than War3 ever could.
Thread after thread the shitstorm stirs. SC players just can't admit that WC3 is a skillful game that is vastly different compared to SC. Most if not all WC3 pros APM averages are above 200. Why cant we both coexist and just stop bashing eachother over and over?
On August 04 2010 10:35 reza wrote: who the f is madfrog lol
Someone who would walk all over you at BW, SC2, or WC3 take your pick.
Really, going through your posts log I didn't see one thing that wasn't some negative bnet forum trash. You can't just post wishing TLO and FroG good luck? Then don't post.
The very highest level of BW is above that of WC3, simply due to the advanced pro culture in Korea, but other than that WC3 is no less competitive and requires no less skill to succeed in than SC1.
A guy like Moon has earned hundreds of thousands of dollars in his career and rose to the very top of an ultra-competitive, international RTS scene. Maybe the likes of Flash and Jaedong can look down on him, somewhat, but it's funny to see D level BW players turning their nose up at a guy who is 1000x the RTS player they could ever hope to be.
On August 04 2010 10:35 reza wrote: who the f is madfrog lol
Someone who would walk all over you at BW, SC2, or WC3 take your pick.
Really, going through your posts log I didn't see one thing that wasn't some negative bnet forum trash. You can't just post wishing TLO and FroG good luck? Then don't post.
hey nerd its a fucking question relax buddy and i certainly don't give a fuck about shitty war3 he can walk all over me all he wants hahaha..regarding BW unless he's reached B high on iccup I highly doubt it..and I don't even have SC2 right now due to school work/exams.. so stfu
On August 04 2010 10:47 cuppatea wrote: The very highest level of BW is above that of WC3, simply due to the advanced pro culture in Korea, but other than that WC3 is no less competitive and requires no less skill to succeed in than SC1.
A guy like Moon has earned hundreds of thousands of dollars in his career and rose to the very top of an ultra-competitive, international RTS scene. Maybe the likes of Flash and Jaedong can look down on him, somewhat, but it's funny to see D level BW players turning their nose up at a guy who is 1000x the RTS player they could ever hope to be.
Haters find it very easy to hate through the internet. And yes, it's funny and pathetic.
On August 04 2010 10:44 holy_war wrote: Thread after thread the shitstorm stirs. SC players just can't admit that WC3 is a skillful game that is vastly different compared to SC. Most if not all WC3 pros APM averages are above 200. Why cant we both coexist and just stop bashing eachother over and over?
they cant accept anything else. iam sure they think they are better FPS player then anyone else and stuff.
but yeah 80apm for wc3 :D average pro has 250+ and the real top has 300 400 so stfu with ur stupid bashing u never see a wc3 player bashing SC? u might think SC community is a bit older but it seems like there are just some stupid kids running around bashing on everything.
If you didn't know this is a starcraft community site and its been that way for the last 10 or so years..if I don't know who the fuck madfrog is i don't see what gives you the right to respond to me like that..if you don't like me asking that question then gtfo
On August 04 2010 10:35 reza wrote: who the f is madfrog lol
Someone who would walk all over you at BW, SC2, or WC3 take your pick.
Really, going through your posts log I didn't see one thing that wasn't some negative bnet forum trash. You can't just post wishing TLO and FroG good luck? Then don't post.
hey nerd its a fucking question relax buddy and i certainly don't give a fuck about shitty war3 he can walk all over me all he wants hahaha..regarding BW unless he's reached B high on iccup I highly doubt it..and I don't even have SC2 right now due to school work/exams.. so stfu
Thank you for giving me another example of the bnet forum trash posting I referred to.
On August 04 2010 10:35 reza wrote: who the f is madfrog lol
Someone who would walk all over you at BW, SC2, or WC3 take your pick.
Really, going through your posts log I didn't see one thing that wasn't some negative bnet forum trash. You can't just post wishing TLO and FroG good luck? Then don't post.
hey nerd its a fucking question relax buddy and i certainly don't give a fuck about shitty war3 he can walk all over me all he wants hahaha..regarding BW unless he's reached B high on iccup I highly doubt it..and I don't even have SC2 right now due to school work/exams.. so stfu
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