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Powda
Profile Joined February 2010
United States116 Posts
August 04 2010 01:11 GMT
#41
On August 04 2010 08:18 Dionyseus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 08:08 Squeegy wrote:
On August 04 2010 04:38 PokePill wrote:
On August 04 2010 04:33 infuzer wrote:
SC is like 99% macro.
WC3 is like 99% micro.
I think SC2 depends more on micro than macro for winning.



SC2 is 99% timings, build orders, and decision making. Micro and macro are the easiest aspects by far.


Moreover, while macro was nonexistent in WC3, micro wasn't nonexistent in SC. It was very much there and much, much harder to pull off than in WC3, although admittably the game wasn't as much about micro as WC3. Anyway, this is why Bisu is the person whose micro has been by far the most impressive I've ever seen from any game. I don't get it why they think SC had no micro.


I don't see how micro in BW is harder to pull off than in WC3. WC3 has tons of spells and fewer units which makes it even more important to keep your units alive.

I'm going to be rooting for MadFrog, that guy was godlike in WC3.



The APM of starcraft and war3 didn't even compare in the pro world, this has been discussed and proven a billion times. war3 max apm 80+, starcraft 400+.

War3 had no macro and had to micro 4-10 units.
Starcraft had tons of macro and had to micro 4-10 units and 10-20 units and 20-30 units etc etc.

Starcraft encompassed far more than War3 ever could.
1a2a3a4a
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
August 04 2010 01:13 GMT
#42
Madfrog seems to have a lot of points but his winning percentage isn't the best. We'll just have to wait and see how good he is atm.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
McCain
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States187 Posts
August 04 2010 01:30 GMT
#43
On August 04 2010 10:11 Powda wrote:
war3 max apm 80+, starcraft 400+.

Oh boy, here we go.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
August 04 2010 01:34 GMT
#44
On August 04 2010 10:11 Powda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 08:18 Dionyseus wrote:
On August 04 2010 08:08 Squeegy wrote:
On August 04 2010 04:38 PokePill wrote:
On August 04 2010 04:33 infuzer wrote:
SC is like 99% macro.
WC3 is like 99% micro.
I think SC2 depends more on micro than macro for winning.



SC2 is 99% timings, build orders, and decision making. Micro and macro are the easiest aspects by far.


Moreover, while macro was nonexistent in WC3, micro wasn't nonexistent in SC. It was very much there and much, much harder to pull off than in WC3, although admittably the game wasn't as much about micro as WC3. Anyway, this is why Bisu is the person whose micro has been by far the most impressive I've ever seen from any game. I don't get it why they think SC had no micro.


I don't see how micro in BW is harder to pull off than in WC3. WC3 has tons of spells and fewer units which makes it even more important to keep your units alive.

I'm going to be rooting for MadFrog, that guy was godlike in WC3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3MVS9Wlo1U


The APM of starcraft and war3 didn't even compare in the pro world, this has been discussed and proven a billion times. war3 max apm 80+, starcraft 400+.

War3 had no macro and had to micro 4-10 units.
Starcraft had tons of macro and had to micro 4-10 units and 10-20 units and 20-30 units etc etc.

Starcraft encompassed far more than War3 ever could.


MadFrog averaged over 200 apm, and in one game he had 379 apm in a 30 minute game against Grubby:


Here's a first person vod of MadFrog playing WC3:
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
reza
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada213 Posts
August 04 2010 01:35 GMT
#45
who the f is madfrog lol
reza
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada213 Posts
August 04 2010 01:36 GMT
#46
On August 04 2010 10:34 Dionyseus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 10:11 Powda wrote:
On August 04 2010 08:18 Dionyseus wrote:
On August 04 2010 08:08 Squeegy wrote:
On August 04 2010 04:38 PokePill wrote:
On August 04 2010 04:33 infuzer wrote:
SC is like 99% macro.
WC3 is like 99% micro.
I think SC2 depends more on micro than macro for winning.



SC2 is 99% timings, build orders, and decision making. Micro and macro are the easiest aspects by far.


Moreover, while macro was nonexistent in WC3, micro wasn't nonexistent in SC. It was very much there and much, much harder to pull off than in WC3, although admittably the game wasn't as much about micro as WC3. Anyway, this is why Bisu is the person whose micro has been by far the most impressive I've ever seen from any game. I don't get it why they think SC had no micro.


I don't see how micro in BW is harder to pull off than in WC3. WC3 has tons of spells and fewer units which makes it even more important to keep your units alive.

I'm going to be rooting for MadFrog, that guy was godlike in WC3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3MVS9Wlo1U


The APM of starcraft and war3 didn't even compare in the pro world, this has been discussed and proven a billion times. war3 max apm 80+, starcraft 400+.

War3 had no macro and had to micro 4-10 units.
Starcraft had tons of macro and had to micro 4-10 units and 10-20 units and 20-30 units etc etc.

Starcraft encompassed far more than War3 ever could.


MadFrog averaged over 200 apm, and in one game he had 379 apm in a 30 minute game against Grubby:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoeVif1POg&feature=player_embedded#!

Here's a first person vod of MadFrog playing WC3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wibl7K1Fcq0


is that supposed to be impressive or something? SC APM > War3 APM
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11553 Posts
August 04 2010 01:38 GMT
#47
This SC player bias against WC3 players really hurts :/

Most of the competitive WC3 players had no trouble keeping 160-200ish APM.
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
cr4ckshot
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States291 Posts
August 04 2010 01:43 GMT
#48
On August 04 2010 10:30 McCain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 10:11 Powda wrote:
war3 max apm 80+, starcraft 400+.

Oh boy, here we go.


My thoughts exactly lol. Here comes the shitstorm.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
August 04 2010 01:44 GMT
#49
Thread after thread the shitstorm stirs. SC players just can't admit that WC3 is a skillful game that is vastly different compared to SC. Most if not all WC3 pros APM averages are above 200. Why cant we both coexist and just stop bashing eachother over and over?
Azile
Profile Joined March 2010
United States339 Posts
August 04 2010 01:44 GMT
#50
On August 04 2010 10:35 reza wrote:
who the f is madfrog lol


Someone who would walk all over you at BW, SC2, or WC3 take your pick.

Really, going through your posts log I didn't see one thing that wasn't some negative bnet forum trash. You can't just post wishing TLO and FroG good luck? Then don't post.
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
August 04 2010 01:47 GMT
#51
The very highest level of BW is above that of WC3, simply due to the advanced pro culture in Korea, but other than that WC3 is no less competitive and requires no less skill to succeed in than SC1.

A guy like Moon has earned hundreds of thousands of dollars in his career and rose to the very top of an ultra-competitive, international RTS scene. Maybe the likes of Flash and Jaedong can look down on him, somewhat, but it's funny to see D level BW players turning their nose up at a guy who is 1000x the RTS player they could ever hope to be.
reza
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada213 Posts
August 04 2010 01:47 GMT
#52
On August 04 2010 10:44 Azile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 10:35 reza wrote:
who the f is madfrog lol


Someone who would walk all over you at BW, SC2, or WC3 take your pick.

Really, going through your posts log I didn't see one thing that wasn't some negative bnet forum trash. You can't just post wishing TLO and FroG good luck? Then don't post.


hey nerd its a fucking question relax buddy and i certainly don't give a fuck about shitty war3 he can walk all over me all he wants hahaha..regarding BW unless he's reached B high on iccup I highly doubt it..and I don't even have SC2 right now due to school work/exams.. so stfu

User was temp banned for this post.
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
August 04 2010 01:48 GMT
#53
I love MadFrog.
An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom!
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
August 04 2010 01:49 GMT
#54
On August 04 2010 10:47 cuppatea wrote:
The very highest level of BW is above that of WC3, simply due to the advanced pro culture in Korea, but other than that WC3 is no less competitive and requires no less skill to succeed in than SC1.

A guy like Moon has earned hundreds of thousands of dollars in his career and rose to the very top of an ultra-competitive, international RTS scene. Maybe the likes of Flash and Jaedong can look down on him, somewhat, but it's funny to see D level BW players turning their nose up at a guy who is 1000x the RTS player they could ever hope to be.


Haters find it very easy to hate through the internet. And yes, it's funny and pathetic.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
August 04 2010 01:49 GMT
#55
On August 04 2010 10:44 holy_war wrote:
Thread after thread the shitstorm stirs. SC players just can't admit that WC3 is a skillful game that is vastly different compared to SC. Most if not all WC3 pros APM averages are above 200. Why cant we both coexist and just stop bashing eachother over and over?

they cant accept anything else. iam sure they think they are better FPS player then anyone else and stuff.

but yeah 80apm for wc3 :D average pro has 250+ and the real top has 300 400 so stfu with ur stupid bashing u never see a wc3 player bashing SC? u might think SC community is a bit older but it seems like there are just some stupid kids running around bashing on everything.
Belegorm
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States330 Posts
August 04 2010 01:50 GMT
#56
lol we bash WC3 because it's not BW (and we're SC fans) and it's such an incredibly different RTS game (though it's kind of a pseudo RTS IMHO).

Though I don't really bash WC3 myself (if I did my friends would not play BW or SC2 with me), but I just really don't like WC3.

I do like seeing WC3 progamers playing SC2.
MUM GIVE ME SOME SCISSORS!!!
reza
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada213 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 01:52:14
August 04 2010 01:51 GMT
#57
If you didn't know this is a starcraft community site and its been that way for the last 10 or so years..if I don't know who the fuck madfrog is i don't see what gives you the right to respond to me like that..if you don't like me asking that question then gtfo
Azile
Profile Joined March 2010
United States339 Posts
August 04 2010 01:52 GMT
#58
On August 04 2010 10:47 reza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 10:44 Azile wrote:
On August 04 2010 10:35 reza wrote:
who the f is madfrog lol


Someone who would walk all over you at BW, SC2, or WC3 take your pick.

Really, going through your posts log I didn't see one thing that wasn't some negative bnet forum trash. You can't just post wishing TLO and FroG good luck? Then don't post.


hey nerd its a fucking question relax buddy and i certainly don't give a fuck about shitty war3 he can walk all over me all he wants hahaha..regarding BW unless he's reached B high on iccup I highly doubt it..and I don't even have SC2 right now due to school work/exams.. so stfu


Thank you for giving me another example of the bnet forum trash posting I referred to.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 04 2010 01:52 GMT
#59
On August 04 2010 10:35 reza wrote:
who the f is madfrog lol

this is mad frog
[image loading]
cr4ckshot
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States291 Posts
August 04 2010 01:53 GMT
#60
On August 04 2010 10:47 reza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 10:44 Azile wrote:
On August 04 2010 10:35 reza wrote:
who the f is madfrog lol


Someone who would walk all over you at BW, SC2, or WC3 take your pick.

Really, going through your posts log I didn't see one thing that wasn't some negative bnet forum trash. You can't just post wishing TLO and FroG good luck? Then don't post.


hey nerd its a fucking question relax buddy and i certainly don't give a fuck about shitty war3 he can walk all over me all he wants hahaha..regarding BW unless he's reached B high on iccup I highly doubt it..and I don't even have SC2 right now due to school work/exams.. so stfu


You don't sound relaxed yourself, E-thug.
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