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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
Where: 2010 European Warcraft Invitational in Cologne, Germany When: at noon on August 7th and 8th (12pm CEST; 6am EST; 3am PST) What: SC2 Showmatch; two best-of-three series Didnt find a topic about this yet and it's coming pretty soon.  Can't wait for it!More info and stream on http://www.wow-europe.com/rf10/ mod edit: to see the live stream set your language to English (EU) at the top of their site | ||
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soverRR
Sweden348 Posts
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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HyunA
Romania362 Posts
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On August 04 2010 03:12 Backpack wrote: So they're playing SC at a WC event? I'm confused. Yeah, I don't understand..lol TLO 2-0 | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
MaD]Q[FroG fighting!!~ | ||
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llortyag
United States64 Posts
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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FeeL_ThE_RusH
Ireland227 Posts
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On August 04 2010 03:17 FeeL_ThE_RusH wrote: Awesome, madfrog was such a beast. Has he actually been playing SC2 alot? he did.. he finished the 2nd beta phase with the best EU ranking. not sure how active he was in the first phase | ||
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SolHeiM
Sweden1264 Posts
On August 04 2010 03:12 Backpack wrote: So they're playing SC at a WC event? I'm confused. wtf are you talking about "Warcraft event"? It's the Blizzard's Regional Finals, which as of now only include WC3 and WoW. It's a Blizzard event, not a "Warcraft event". If SC2 had been released earlier, it would've been included as well. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On August 04 2010 03:18 Jameser wrote: I didn't even know madfrog was playing starcraft... what's his alias, I wanna find some replays of him UnknownArt was his beta nick. I don't know whats his nick right now | ||
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Chriamon
United States886 Posts
On August 04 2010 03:22 Enox wrote: UnknownArt was his beta nick. I don't know whats his nick right now Its Madfrog right now (with random capital letters). He plays Zerg. He's pretty good, I've seen a lot of his replays. I think he could beat TLO, but I still think TLO wins 2-1. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On August 04 2010 03:22 SolHeiM wrote: wtf are you talking about "Warcraft event"? It's the Blizzard's Regional Finals, which as of now only include WC3 and WoW. It's a Blizzard event, not a "Warcraft event". If SC2 had been released earlier, it would've been included as well. Well i just figured since it was called "2010 European Warcraft Invitational" it was a warcraft event. I must be pretty stupid to make that assumption. I also just saw this on blizzard's facebook. (EU) For the viewing pleasure of StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty fans everywhere we’ve arranged a StarCraft II show match between two of the world’s best players at the 2010 European Warcraft Invitational in Cologne, Germany. I'm glad to see that they are already starting to spark the e-sports scene. | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
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peachsncream
United States289 Posts
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llortyag
United States64 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3449 Posts
On August 04 2010 03:41 peachsncream wrote: any1 else get the feeling madfrog gonna go lots and lots of ling/muta. Hurray for ghouls n gargs. ^^ | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
But no Lich and no Frost Nova = gg MadFroG | ||
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infuzer
Sweden30 Posts
WC3 is like 99% micro. I think SC2 depends more on micro than macro for winning. I will probably recieve alot of rage for saying SC2 is more like WC3 than SC though  but SC2 is the perfect balance imo.OH and I can't wait to see MadFrogs SC2 skills, and TLO is always awesome to watch. Hype hype! | ||
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kilolo
Sweden150 Posts
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Woyn
United Kingdom1628 Posts
http://www.sc2pf.com/ | ||
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StormsInJuly
Sweden165 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:29 holy_war wrote: But no Lich and no Frost Nova = gg MadFroG fungal will have to do. Madfrog is gonna take this one home | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:33 infuzer wrote: SC is like 99% macro. WC3 is like 99% micro. I think SC2 depends more on micro than macro for winning. SC2 is 99% timings, build orders, and decision making. Micro and macro are the easiest aspects by far. | ||
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cr4ckshot
United States291 Posts
On August 04 2010 03:22 SolHeiM wrote: wtf are you talking about "Warcraft event"? It's the Blizzard's Regional Finals, which as of now only include WC3 and WoW. It's a Blizzard event, not a "Warcraft event". If SC2 had been released earlier, it would've been included as well. Dude, the event is called "2010 European Warcraft Invitational". | ||
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AJMcSpiffy
United States1154 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Azile
United States339 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:34 Woyn wrote: Hes currently ranked 24th according to this global rankings, be good to see his break out tournament! http://www.sc2pf.com/ 19th since you posted that. Glad to see MaDFroG back in action, won't be missing this. | ||
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Thall
Switzerland214 Posts
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Memoria
Korea (South)36 Posts
tlo will fukk him so hard 2;0 for sure | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 04 2010 04:38 PokePill wrote: SC2 is 99% timings, build orders, and decision making. Micro and macro are the easiest aspects by far. Moreover, while macro was nonexistent in WC3, micro wasn't nonexistent in SC. It was very much there and much, much harder to pull off than in WC3, although admittably the game wasn't as much about micro as WC3. Anyway, this is why Bisu is the person whose micro has been by far the most impressive I've ever seen from any game. I don't get it why they think SC had no micro. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
Loved his UD replays. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:08 Squeegy wrote: Moreover, while macro was nonexistent in WC3, micro wasn't nonexistent in SC. It was very much there and much, much harder to pull off than in WC3, although admittably the game wasn't as much about micro as WC3. Anyway, this is why Bisu is the person whose micro has been by far the most impressive I've ever seen from any game. I don't get it why they think SC had no micro. I don't see how micro in BW is harder to pull off than in WC3. WC3 has tons of spells and fewer units which makes it even more important to keep your units alive. I'm going to be rooting for MadFrog, that guy was godlike in WC3. | ||
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Hasse
Sweden579 Posts
On August 04 2010 06:45 AJMcSpiffy wrote: Very excited for this! I don't know much about Madfrog (I never followed any esport outside of SC really) but I'm always looking forward to seeing TLO in another match. He came third in the SCBW WCG 2001 ;P Might have been before your time, but he used to be quite the BW player. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:01 Memoria wrote: playd madfrog^^ tlo will fukk him so hard 2;0 for sure u so baller | ||
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Powda
United States116 Posts
I thought he was gonna come to sc2 and show us starcraft players that warcraft 3 players can compete. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:07 Powda wrote: What happened to Moon? I thought he was gonna come to sc2 and show us starcraft players that warcraft 3 players can compete. he got buttraped | ||
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Powda
United States116 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:18 Dionyseus wrote: I don't see how micro in BW is harder to pull off than in WC3. WC3 has tons of spells and fewer units which makes it even more important to keep your units alive. I'm going to be rooting for MadFrog, that guy was godlike in WC3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3MVS9Wlo1U The APM of starcraft and war3 didn't even compare in the pro world, this has been discussed and proven a billion times. war3 max apm 80+, starcraft 400+. War3 had no macro and had to micro 4-10 units. Starcraft had tons of macro and had to micro 4-10 units and 10-20 units and 20-30 units etc etc. Starcraft encompassed far more than War3 ever could. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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McCain
United States187 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:11 Powda wrote: war3 max apm 80+, starcraft 400+. Oh boy, here we go. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:11 Powda wrote: The APM of starcraft and war3 didn't even compare in the pro world, this has been discussed and proven a billion times. war3 max apm 80+, starcraft 400+. War3 had no macro and had to micro 4-10 units. Starcraft had tons of macro and had to micro 4-10 units and 10-20 units and 20-30 units etc etc. Starcraft encompassed far more than War3 ever could. MadFrog averaged over 200 apm, and in one game he had 379 apm in a 30 minute game against Grubby: Here's a first person vod of MadFrog playing WC3: | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
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reza
Canada213 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:34 Dionyseus wrote: MadFrog averaged over 200 apm, and in one game he had 379 apm in a 30 minute game against Grubby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoeVif1POg&feature=player_embedded#! Here's a first person vod of MadFrog playing WC3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wibl7K1Fcq0 is that supposed to be impressive or something? SC APM > War3 APM | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
Most of the competitive WC3 players had no trouble keeping 160-200ish APM. | ||
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cr4ckshot
United States291 Posts
My thoughts exactly lol. Here comes the shitstorm. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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Azile
United States339 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:35 reza wrote: who the f is madfrog lol Someone who would walk all over you at BW, SC2, or WC3 take your pick. Really, going through your posts log I didn't see one thing that wasn't some negative bnet forum trash. You can't just post wishing TLO and FroG good luck? Then don't post. | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
A guy like Moon has earned hundreds of thousands of dollars in his career and rose to the very top of an ultra-competitive, international RTS scene. Maybe the likes of Flash and Jaedong can look down on him, somewhat, but it's funny to see D level BW players turning their nose up at a guy who is 1000x the RTS player they could ever hope to be. | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:44 Azile wrote: Someone who would walk all over you at BW, SC2, or WC3 take your pick. Really, going through your posts log I didn't see one thing that wasn't some negative bnet forum trash. You can't just post wishing TLO and FroG good luck? Then don't post. hey nerd its a fucking question relax buddy and i certainly don't give a fuck about shitty war3 he can walk all over me all he wants hahaha..regarding BW unless he's reached B high on iccup I highly doubt it..and I don't even have SC2 right now due to school work/exams.. so stfu User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:47 cuppatea wrote: The very highest level of BW is above that of WC3, simply due to the advanced pro culture in Korea, but other than that WC3 is no less competitive and requires no less skill to succeed in than SC1. A guy like Moon has earned hundreds of thousands of dollars in his career and rose to the very top of an ultra-competitive, international RTS scene. Maybe the likes of Flash and Jaedong can look down on him, somewhat, but it's funny to see D level BW players turning their nose up at a guy who is 1000x the RTS player they could ever hope to be. Haters find it very easy to hate through the internet. And yes, it's funny and pathetic. | ||
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:44 holy_war wrote: Thread after thread the shitstorm stirs. SC players just can't admit that WC3 is a skillful game that is vastly different compared to SC. Most if not all WC3 pros APM averages are above 200. Why cant we both coexist and just stop bashing eachother over and over? they cant accept anything else. iam sure they think they are better FPS player then anyone else and stuff. but yeah 80apm for wc3 :D average pro has 250+ and the real top has 300 400 so stfu with ur stupid bashing u never see a wc3 player bashing SC? u might think SC community is a bit older but it seems like there are just some stupid kids running around bashing on everything. | ||
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Belegorm
United States330 Posts
Though I don't really bash WC3 myself (if I did my friends would not play BW or SC2 with me), but I just really don't like WC3. I do like seeing WC3 progamers playing SC2. | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
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Azile
United States339 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:47 reza wrote: hey nerd its a fucking question relax buddy and i certainly don't give a fuck about shitty war3 he can walk all over me all he wants hahaha..regarding BW unless he's reached B high on iccup I highly doubt it..and I don't even have SC2 right now due to school work/exams.. so stfu Thank you for giving me another example of the bnet forum trash posting I referred to. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:35 reza wrote: who the f is madfrog lol this is mad frog ![[image loading]](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/8355613/Crazy+Frog+frog.jpg) | ||
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cr4ckshot
United States291 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:47 reza wrote: hey nerd its a fucking question relax buddy and i certainly don't give a fuck about shitty war3 he can walk all over me all he wants hahaha..regarding BW unless he's reached B high on iccup I highly doubt it..and I don't even have SC2 right now due to school work/exams.. so stfu You don't sound relaxed yourself, E-thug. | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:52 Azile wrote: Thank you for giving me another example of the bnet forum trash posting I referred to. anytime | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:51 reza wrote: If you didn't know this is a starcraft community site and its been that way for the last 10 or so years..if I don't know who the fuck madfrog is i don't see what gives you the right to respond to me like that..if you don't like me asking that question then gtfo We know it's a community site. You asked a question and people answered who MaDFroG is and you get mad. It appears that you just love to rip on people in a majority of your previous posts, so I'll just try to ignore your posts. Also, you joined in January 2010... | ||
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reza
Canada213 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:55 holy_war wrote: We know it's a community site. You asked a question and people answered who MaDFroG is and you get mad. It appears that you just love to rip on people in a majority of your previous posts, so I'll just try to ignore your posts. Also, you joined in January 2010... are you dumb? go back and read his response to the question i asked. | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2923 Posts
ps. You might wanna work on the attitude a little, reza. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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reza
Canada213 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:50 Belegorm wrote: lol we bash WC3 because it's not BW (and we're SC fans) and it's such an incredibly different RTS game (though it's kind of a pseudo RTS IMHO). Though I don't really bash WC3 myself (if I did my friends would not play BW or SC2 with me), but I just really don't like WC3. I do like seeing WC3 progamers playing SC2. no one say su have 2 like it but this bashing is just retarded stupid. no matter where. but yeah the talk about the high mannered stuff right? bash it for no reason thats the high manner right there. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
On August 04 2010 11:01 Smorrie wrote: Why are you guys hating on Madfrog lol. He used to be one of the top European SC players back in the day and eventually moved on to WC. I think at one point people regarded him to be the best WC3 player for a short while (don't quote me on this). Anyway, obviously Madfrog is a talented RTS player and will do good in SC2 as well. It's great to see these old school names back in SC2. ps. You might wanna work on the attitude a little, reza. 2004-2005 was often regarded as MaDFroG's golden years Multiple tournament finishes and widely considered the best NonKorean player (only MooN really opposed him tbh) | ||
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MICHELLE
Korea (South)199 Posts
On August 04 2010 11:09 FragKrag wrote: 2004-2005 was often regarded as MaDFroG's golden years Multiple tournament finishes and widely considered the best NonKorean player (only MooN really opposed him tbh) Best nonkorean? :S.... What about sky, grubby, tod, infi...... I wouldn't say he was the best nonkorean player.... But he was a very good UD for sure. | ||
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ShaLnarK
Chile20 Posts
This is so sweet | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
On August 04 2010 11:38 MICHELLE wrote: Best nonkorean? :S.... What about sky, grubby, tod, infi...... I wouldn't say he was the best nonkorean player.... But he was a very good UD for sure. In 2004-2005? There was nobody that could really touch him | ||
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Macavity
United States83 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:44 holy_war wrote: Thread after thread the shitstorm stirs. SC players just can't admit that WC3 is a skillful game that is vastly different compared to SC. Most if not all WC3 pros APM averages are above 200. Why cant we both coexist and just stop bashing eachother over and over? You know what was really funny? It was the chatroom going bonkers during the Day[9] SC 2 Countdown Party when all these Warcraft 3 players being interviewed and saying, "Starcraft 2 is nice, graphically, but the game is much simpler/easier than Warcraft 3." I never saw so many heads exploding in a chatroom before. If War3 was such a cakewalk, why didn't only BW players dominate it? Probably because it wasn't a cakewalk. Anyway, I remember downloading many MadFrog replays and watching them. The guy is a very skilled player. This should be a fun showmatch, either way. | ||
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Ajsbear
Sweden63 Posts
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Alphaes
United States651 Posts
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
On August 04 2010 10:47 reza wrote: hey nerd its a fucking question relax buddy and i certainly don't give a fuck about shitty war3 he can walk all over me all he wants hahaha..regarding BW unless he's reached B high on iccup I highly doubt it..and I don't even have SC2 right now due to school work/exams.. so stfu User was temp banned for this post. How did this idiot even find teamliquid? | ||
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LeDuck
Germany152 Posts
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DemiSe
883 Posts
MaD]Q[FroG fighting! | ||
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MidKnight
Lithuania884 Posts
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OTIX
Sweden491 Posts
That is all. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:18 Dionyseus wrote: I don't see how micro in BW is harder to pull off than in WC3. WC3 has tons of spells and fewer units which makes it even more important to keep your units alive. But that has nothing to do with what I said. I said its true that the amount of micro percentage-wise in WC3 is larger than in SC. I'm just correcting the false claim that SC doesn't have much micro at all. And I'm also pointing out that the micro moves are much harder to pull off in SC. For example pulling a wounded unit back is much easier in War3 than in SC because of the game mechanics (engine). I've seen some War3 people claiming some of the "wow" moments in SC micro are not at all impressive in War3 standards. They don't really seem to have a clue. Then there is also the matter of the units being much smaller and weaker. Not to mention that some tiny micro moves are just a waste of time in SC. It is often better to just move the whole group of marines right away, instead of wasting time with a single marine. You still have to click like hell though. War3 people think that SC can have macro while they have micro. But that's just not how it is. On August 04 2010 12:13 Macavity wrote: You know what was really funny? It was the chatroom going bonkers during the Day[9] SC 2 Countdown Party when all these Warcraft 3 players being interviewed and saying, "Starcraft 2 is nice, graphically, but the game is much simpler/easier than Warcraft 3." I never saw so many heads exploding in a chatroom before. If War3 was such a cakewalk, why didn't only BW players dominate it? Probably because it wasn't a cakewalk. Anyway, I remember downloading many MadFrog replays and watching them. The guy is a very skilled player. This should be a fun showmatch, either way. Why would only BW players dominate it even if it was a cakewalk? In early stages of War3, BW players did dominate more or less. Elky for example won some Korean league, and War3 wasn't even the only game he was playing at the time afaik. Many just moved back to BW pretty soon. A large number of War3 pros who stayed have a BW background too, so those who stuck with it, have performed quite well it seems. Anyway, you do have a point. We see mediocre BW players outplaying much better BW players. Clearly how and what skills transfer over is a complex matter. With that being said, I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with Madfrog. Sure, this fanboyism is really annoying, but don't hate Madfrog for it. This is indeed going to be awesome although if TLO has been practising I'm expecting him to win quite decisively. | ||
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FeeL_ThE_RusH
Ireland227 Posts
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Rokit5
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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SpiritAshura
United States1271 Posts
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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FlashIsHigh
United States474 Posts
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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Nereus
Sweden9 Posts
TLO is good but its nothing to compared to madfrog, but TLO has been playing sc2 a lot more | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On August 04 2010 11:38 MICHELLE wrote: Best nonkorean? :S.... What about sky, grubby, tod, infi...... I wouldn't say he was the best nonkorean player.... But he was a very good UD for sure. Sky was just on the rise and came to the proscene in late 05, infi was a noname back then. ToD wasn't as good and Grubby might be the only contender for being as skilled as Frog in Europe. But there was one specific player who was better than Frog or Moon-> FoV. Maybe Sweet aswell. Madfrog was a god, noone comes close to him. In terms of skill maybe, but Frog was like Backstreet Boys for wc3-nerds in Europe. He was the rolemodel for players like Grubby. He was more than just some skilled player. And now he is back  | ||
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
so if wc3 took no skills, I guess sc2 takes even less lol (clearly it doesn't) | ||
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Nereus
Sweden9 Posts
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SolHeiM
Sweden1264 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:56 Jameser wrote: for the wc3 hatin BW players; I was a mediocre at best wc3 player, and am now I would say by comparison a much much better sc2 player so if wc3 took no skills, I guess sc2 takes even less lol (clearly it doesn't) Yeah, you're better because you've had prolonged exposure to the RTS genre, therefore, your skill has increased. It has nothing to do with one game being easier than the other. | ||
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xzidez
Sweden147 Posts
On August 05 2010 01:09 Nereus wrote: SC2 is a very easy game compared to wc3 and bw, but thats mostly because wc3 and bw has been out for a long time Why do people keep saying this bullshit? SC2 is just as easy for the opponent as it is for you, unless you are playing singleplayer.. Which makes it just as hard as any other game where both parts are playing at the same difficulty. If it is so easy, howcome I dont see you anywhere at the top? If you are playing singleplayer I apologise, because then it would perhaps be correct to say its easy. | ||
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StormsInJuly
Sweden165 Posts
On August 05 2010 01:20 xzidez wrote: Why do people keep saying this bullshit? SC2 is just as easy for the opponent as it is for you, unless you are playing singleplayer.. Which makes it just as hard as any other game where both parts are playing at the same difficulty. If it is so easy, howcome I dont see you anywhere at the top? If you are playing singleplayer I apologise, because then it would perhaps be correct to say its easy. He's right though, they're harder because they've been out for many years and player skill level has increased In sc and war3 everybody on ladder has played every map a thousand times and has memorized every detail and every possible matchup, so it's a lot harder to get into | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
but lets put hands together for team liquid's own TLO!!! | ||
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xzidez
Sweden147 Posts
On August 05 2010 01:22 StormsInJuly wrote: He's right though, they're harder because they've been out for many years and player skill level has increased In sc and war3 everybody on ladder has played every map a thousand times and has memorized every detail and every possible matchup, so it's a lot harder to get into Ah you are right here. But the game itself is just as easy as it was when it was released .Thanks for the correction tho! | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:05 Nereus wrote: in rts in general madfrog is one of the best players in the whole world, he's like boxer and nada, but he ended his career early, if he takes sc2 serious he can be the best. he's getting old though TLO is good but its nothing to compared to madfrog, but TLO has been playing sc2 a lot more *facepalm* No, he's not like Boxer or Nada. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
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Tokay
Sweden115 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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koOma
Norway462 Posts
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Sadist
United States7255 Posts
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Deleted User 12257
Spain112 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
I can only say one thing GO Mad]Q[Frog!!!!!!!1 The undead GOD | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
Is it BO3, BO5, BO7 ?? I hope BO7 and that we'll see a close match My pronostic : TLO wins | ||
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JHancho
United States166 Posts
After seeing the close call between White-Ra (DuckloadRa, makes me laugh every time) and MadFrog on scrap, I can't wait for this. Seriously. Nerd chills, and uncontrollable ear-to-ear grinning. I think MadFrog is getting there, but to some extent he's in WC3 mode still, so I'd expect TLO to win. You never know though. | ||
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Jimmeh
United Kingdom908 Posts
On August 06 2010 21:40 Diks wrote: I'm quite hyped for this ! Is it BO3, BO5, BO7 ?? I hope BO7 and that we'll see a close match My pronostic : TLO wins The OP: What: SC2 Showmatch; two best-of-three series | ||
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SayTT
Sweden2158 Posts
Yea and also in the light of previous comments, I don't think it matters if it was scbw or wc3 he played as a pro. If you have the skill and determination to go to korea and compete among the top players in a game like wc3. Then there is no doubt that he will be a top foreign player if he plays enough. If you got talent, determination, disciplin and experiance its only a question about adapting to a new game. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
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No-Killer-Instinct
England197 Posts
http://www.wow-europe.com/rf10/index.xml | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/30282-SKMaDFroG_returns_for_StarCraft_2 | ||
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Thall
Switzerland214 Posts
On August 07 2010 18:24 TBO wrote: Madfrog just joined SK-Gaming. http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/30282-SKMaDFroG_returns_for_StarCraft_2 hehe like good old time :D god i'm so pumped for this match ! | ||
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riccofrost
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But can't see the stream anywhere? | ||
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No-Killer-Instinct
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On August 07 2010 18:33 riccofrost wrote: Had a look at the following link ----- http://www.wow-europe.com/rf10/index.xml But can't see the stream anywhere? Middle of the screen - says Live Stream just above it, to the right you'll see the Facebook s**t. You may need to authorise octoshape via Adobe when you click to play. | ||
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On August 07 2010 18:39 Tascher wrote: For those with problems seeing the stream, change your language in the top right from English US to English EU, it should show up then. wow thanks. What a stupid site | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
On August 07 2010 18:39 Tascher wrote: For those with problems seeing the stream, change your language in the top right from English US to English EU, it should show up then. Yeah, this seems to work, thanks for the tip. I'm kinda irritated that I need to install some junk on my hard to watch this:| | ||
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TBO
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On August 07 2010 18:41 Bj_o_rn wrote: Anyone know who is going to cast this? Thanks Tascher for the swap to EU tip, saved my day! Demuslim and Rotterdam as far as I know. | ||
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ShivaN
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Lol seriously, that's ridiculous. Go TLO!! | ||
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FuzzyJAM
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Is there any money on the line? | ||
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No-Killer-Instinct
England197 Posts
It's something the b'caster uses to stream in HD without buffering (apparently). If you don't want to install it, use Sciencerob's stream. | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:00 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: By the way, who's going to cast this? | ||
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Gallimatias
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On August 04 2010 10:38 FragKrag wrote: This SC player bias against WC3 players really hurts :/ Most of the competitive WC3 players had no trouble keeping 160-200ish APM. When MadFroG was a wc3 player he was always thought of as a Starcraft player so I guess it's only fair that now when he plays Starcraft we think of him as a wc3 player. | ||
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ithree
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But why the hell is this on the same times as the SPL ?! Blizz really seems to hate BW now | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
Edit: Stream is working for me, just set it to English(EU) in the top and it works | ||
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Bash
Finland1533 Posts
Not that I would've watched this showmatch anyway, just shows how pathetic Blizzard has become. | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:08 dabom88 wrote: What exactly is this octoshape people are referring to? I want to try and get this stream to work. http://www.octoshape.com/ If you have already set your location to English (EU) - using the drop down link top of the screen that says English - then when you click the stream to start it, you will get a msg from Adobe asking you if you want to install it. Says yes and accept to view stream. | ||
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Odoakar
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On August 07 2010 19:08 dabom88 wrote: What exactly is this octoshape people are referring to? I want to try and get this stream to work. When you press play, it should come up with a pop up, asking you to install a Octo plug in or whatever. After doing that, I just refreshed and it started working. | ||
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Telcontar
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On August 07 2010 19:13 GTR wrote: anyone livestreaming? ScienceRob is. i didnt want to install octoshape so im watching his stream. | ||
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AyJay
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who won first game? | ||
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Yizuo
Germany1537 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:13 GTR wrote: anyone livestreaming? dont know what you mean by livestreaming, but you can try http://tv.esl.eu/de/ if you dont want do use the stream posted in the OP | ||
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Aesop
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On August 07 2010 19:15 AyJay wrote: FUUUUUUUUU missed 15 minutes who won first game? Just started, so nothing missed. | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:17 InfiniteIce wrote: stream doesn't work for me. I have englishset. English (EU) ? | ||
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Jyvblamo
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On August 07 2010 19:18 swanized wrote: are oyu guys actually holding a showmatch during proleague finals????? I'm just watching both. =D | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
Nice production value here. | ||
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Dav_
Hungary236 Posts
"SC2 is imbalance and takes no skill... Play a real game like League of Legends." | ||
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Apolo
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Ex: For me to know what time 12am CEST is here i have to: 1) put it on UTC, in this case UTC+2, that is having to search what the mentioned time is, sometimes people just mention one time be it CEST, EST, PST, Hawaii time, or or wathever zone they happen to live in 2) compare to my time zone UTC+1 3) see the difference (1h). Putting it in UTC makes it much more easier. Tournament is 12 am UTC+2 Great i am UTC+1 so its 11 am here. Done. And it's the same for everyone, whether you live in America, EU, Asia, Australia, Africa or Antartica. UTC is for all those times the same way metric system is for imperial system. Much easier and universal to use. So if someone reads this and cares, please at least add the UTC time when you're putting the time for an event. | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:18 Jyvblamo wrote: Who are these commentators? the younger one with the GB accent is Demuslim and the other one is Rob Simpson, a Blizzard esport guy | ||
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ahwala
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On August 07 2010 19:11 Bash wrote: Blizzard with the massive dickmove to put this on during PL finals. Not that I would've watched this showmatch anyway, just shows how pathetic Blizzard has become. On August 07 2010 19:21 Hikari wrote: commentators are boring..... back to SPL! # | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:27 iEchoic wrote: Why are the Thors so huge? Was this pre-recorded before that beta patch or something? The observer has a small field of view because of his stupid 4:3 monitor making them seem bigger than normal. | ||
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Yawne
Germany195 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:17 GTR wrote: TLO WITH SEXY SHIRT Yeah extremly awesome. Dario in his layback cool TL Shirt, while madfrog in this sponsored badass progamer suit gets owned pretty hard^^. | ||
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
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On August 07 2010 19:29 Gallimatias wrote: The observer has a small field of view because of his stupid 4:3 monitor making them seem bigger than normal. Yeah probably using 5:4 ratio duo to Wc3 :/ Edit: Making that stream full size fucks up my firefox. Blargh. | ||
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Enox
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On August 07 2010 19:27 iEchoic wrote: Why are the Thors so huge? Was this pre-recorded before that beta patch or something? they play live and the thor is bigger cause TLO has the collectors edition with the special thor model. CE thors look like the Odin from the single player campain missions | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:34 Enox wrote: they play live and the thor is bigger cause TLO has the collectors edition with the special thor model. CE thors look like the Odin from the single player campain missions Was wondering about that, but good lord are those Thors huge. I'm glad I didn't get the CE if they're that big. | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:35 iEchoic wrote: Was wondering about that, but good lord are those Thors huge. I'm glad I didn't get the CE if they're that big. i have the CE and the actual size of the thors are the same as the standard edition's. | ||
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Kind if bad quality, but excited nonetheless. Can anyone summarize first game? | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:43 Skillz_Man wrote: I cant believe this is going on when we have the Proleague finals! it's kind of okay to watch during commercials ^^ | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:46 iEchoic wrote: I don't understand why TLO seemingly never gets the infernal pre-igniter. The upgrade is absolutely huge for drone harass and killing lings. He got a ton of hellions harassing so he kills drones really fast anyways and Madfrog is using roaches to deal with his hellions not lings so it's I guess he would rather get an armory upgrade or something instead. | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:51 snotboogie wrote: Did MadFrog just put in some Snus? Yup. | ||
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Zavior
Finland753 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:51 snotboogie wrote: Did MadFrog just put in some Snus? Yes ;D | ||
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wiNja
Sweden6 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:51 snotboogie wrote: Did MadFrog just put in some Snus? he did | ||
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soverRR
Sweden348 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:44 Yawne wrote: Wow learn to macro .... i´m really bad but 3k min for several minutes... Yeah well, while you're busy cripping TLO enough to win the game, you might slack off a bit on the macro. | ||
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On August 07 2010 19:54 vyyye wrote: Why does he keep trying to sneak expansions? When it works, it works big. Pretty cheesy, though, I agree. | ||
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Zinbiel
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On August 07 2010 19:54 Tadzio wrote: When it works, it works big. Pretty cheesy, though, I agree. Well, I can tell you why. You need an expansion to have a chance against terran. And on LT the natural is dead, and this map is almost impossible to defend against fast hellions if you expand to the natural. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:54 Tadzio wrote: When it works, it works big. Pretty cheesy, though, I agree. Sneaking the first though, and it's his second attempt. He should've guessed that TLO will realize something fishy is going on. On August 07 2010 19:57 Zinbiel wrote: Well, I can tell you why. You need an expansion to have a chance against terran. And on LT the natural is dead, and this map is almost impossible to defend against fast hellions if you expand to the natural. On LT it made a bit of sense, but second time and in that position. Eh, I'm no pro but I it looked like a lot of risk for not too much reward. | ||
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SolHeiM
Sweden1264 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:58 iEchoic wrote: Who brings their baby to a SCII match? Parents who love gaming and their children? | ||
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I don't quite understand his "hidden" expands though, did he honestly think he'll suprise TLO? | ||
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HyTemplar
Germany265 Posts
On August 07 2010 20:08 iG.ClouD wrote: Madfrog played plain bad. Disappointing. did you expect him to win against someone like TLO?hm dont think so. | ||
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Yawne
Germany195 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:54 soverRR wrote: Yeah well, while you're busy cripping TLO enough to win the game, you might slack off a bit on the macro. He had the game the moment he pushed out with his mass roaches.. after that it was just clean up. If he would have skipped the tricky sneak play, at 100 food and just maxed his army with roaches he could have just rolled over him. You don´t need to cripple a wounded opponent. The only thing he did with this was give TLO the chance to maybe come back into the game. One the other hand it was nice to watch.. and he won that game either way. | ||
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LittLeD
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Otherwise, wonderful showmatches. Glad to see Froggy back in action! EDIT: People judging Madfrog's lack of macro. Well dammit he's a former Wc3 player, where micro played a much bigger role than macro, what'd you expect really? As I said I just must say im impressed he managed to win one game. | ||
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Netherlands810 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:35 iEchoic wrote: Was wondering about that, but good lord are those Thors huge. I'm glad I didn't get the CE if they're that big. Same size different skin. Hoping for some higher quality VODs because Blizzards horrible planning put this on the same time as the fucking Grand Finals, seriously wtf. | ||
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Gnax
Sweden490 Posts
After hearing the interview it seems like that wasn't what he was doing though. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On August 07 2010 20:13 opticalza wrote: So the next series is on tomorrow, same time, correct? correct | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 07 2010 19:15 Mothxal wrote: I think if people just see Madfrog play once they can let go of all this silly WC3 resentment. I mean, TLO was a sup-com player and nobody cares about that, it's just that the WC3-SC:BW wars bleed through with this. TLO was also a BW player of B'ish level. | ||
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Very fun to watch them play | ||
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TLO reached A- on iccup | ||
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and also he played the most beautiful wc3 style of any wc3 progamer. very focused on speed and harassing, with artful micro techniques. if you dont know about the guy you really shouldnt bash him. | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On August 07 2010 21:27 leveller wrote: Is this the game thats livecasted with day9? nope, day9 isn't there. he will be on the Gamescom from August 19th to 22nd, which is also in cologne | ||
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Sweden1840 Posts
On August 07 2010 21:29 Enox wrote: nope, day9 isn't there. he will be on the Gamescom from August 19th to 22nd, which is also in cologne Ok thanks! I guess these games arent uploaded yet are they? =/ | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On August 07 2010 22:16 Brad wrote: TLO is one of the best SC2 players, why would anyone think Madfrog had a chance? Especially it being TvZ. Well it was TLOs first match on a stage while Madfrog had lots of experience with that stuff. So I wasn't too sure about how the games turn out. | ||
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HyTemplar
Germany265 Posts
On August 07 2010 22:25 Ash wrote: Is it true that TLO doesnt use any hotkeys at all ? well recently i watched many replays and i couldnt figure out that many hotkeys | ||
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He however has a tendency to not hotkey/group his units enough (which he admits is weakness he has to work on) - he always groups all his buildings though. | ||
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http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/22299 | ||
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On August 08 2010 00:10 setzer wrote: Not surprising. Unless you are moon, high level SC players will always > WC3 players. He was a high level SC player when he switched to the newer game (WC3). And besides, DeMuslim and Lucifron have shown WC3 players can win big matches in SC2. So please stop with the nonsense. On August 08 2010 00:16 setzer wrote: Which major international tournaments did demuslim win? And I'm not talking about those weekly zotac cups. This quote doesn't align with your previous message. If you want to say they haven't won big international tournaments yet then please do so. You however said SC players will always > WC3 players and made it sound like your quote had some relevance to a showmatch. | ||
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cuppatea
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No shit you don't want to argue with him because you haven't got a leg to stand on. | ||
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On August 08 2010 01:07 cuppatea wrote: Setzer, you're using a showmatch between an ex-Supreme Comamnder player, who has been amongst the top of the Euro SC2 scene since early in the beta and an ex-WC3 player, who has only just began to make a name for himself in SC2, as proof of BW players being better than those from WC3, even though the loser in this match had the more accomplished BW career of the 2? No shit you don't want to argue with him because you haven't got a leg to stand on. Heh, there's a blatant flaw in your reasoning. MadFroG might've been more accomplished, but in his prime in BW he wasn't even as good as an average D player on iCCup right now. People were really bad at StarCraft (comparatively) back in the days. On the other hand, TLO reached A-. In terms of skills in BW, TLO was way better that MadFroG ever was, albeit less accomplished. | ||
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On August 04 2010 23:28 OTIX wrote: TLO is awesome. Madfrog is awesome. This is gonna be awesome. That is all. Agree with this post. Good luck to both players! | ||
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On August 08 2010 01:33 backtoback wrote: Anyone notice madfrogs style with the burrow roaches?? reminds me of WC3 So bad.... he needs to fix his style to more sc2 type because he stands no chance Are you saying sc2 player should not use roach burrow? | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
On August 08 2010 01:23 maybenexttime wrote: Heh, there's a blatant flaw in your reasoning. MadFroG might've been more accomplished, but in his prime in BW he wasn't even as good as an average D player on iCCup right now. People were really bad at StarCraft (comparatively) back in the days. On the other hand, TLO reached A-. In terms of skills in BW, TLO was way better that MadFroG ever was, albeit less accomplished. lol.... the average D player? i got to c in a month.. | ||
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On August 08 2010 01:23 maybenexttime wrote: Heh, there's a blatant flaw in your reasoning. MadFroG might've been more accomplished, but in his prime in BW he wasn't even as good as an average D player on iCCup right now. People were really bad at StarCraft (comparatively) back in the days. On the other hand, TLO reached A-. In terms of skills in BW, TLO was way better that MadFroG ever was, albeit less accomplished. You too pleasse stop the nonsense. After not playing for 5 years I could still get to B in TSL without any practice. Madfrogs skills from 2001 in no way translate to todays D or anything close to it. | ||
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setzer
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On August 08 2010 01:07 cuppatea wrote: Setzer, you're using a showmatch between an ex-Supreme Comamnder player, who has been amongst the top of the Euro SC2 scene since early in the beta and an ex-WC3 player, who has only just began to make a name for himself in SC2, as proof of BW players being better than those from WC3, even though the loser in this match had the more accomplished BW career of the 2? No shit you don't want to argue with him because you haven't got a leg to stand on. My conclusion was drawn from watching numerous WC3 players and tournaments. It is not a coincidence the top foreign players all have a history of BW. My thinking is not in the minority, pretty much every player who has a history in BW knows this to be true. And the results speak for itself. edit: typed this before Nazgul's post. Will stop now. | ||
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On August 08 2010 00:48 TBO wrote: Its going to be a best of five tomorrow! :-) Can't wait for the Bo5! :D Congratz to + Show Spoiler + TLO | ||
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Gallimatias
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On August 07 2010 20:13 LittleeD wrote: Im really impressed by Madfrog winning one game. I was stunned he could pull it out that well vs a player of that calibre. I just have to point out one that and that's what Madfrog said in the interview. He mentioned how SC2 has a lot of more dimensions than Wc3 and I really must disagree there. I wonder what he thought about stating that. He said similar things about WC3 in comparasion to Brood War after he made that switch. It's probably a mental thing where it helps him stay motivated if he feels he is playing the best of games. In this case it might also serve to rationalize why he is not performing aswell as in the previous game. Translated MadFroG interview Cool that you are doing so well! But why!? Why did you change so drastically to WC3 from Starcraft/Brood War? What tempted you to play War3? Haha, I was probably the last team-q member to change. I wasn't even playing the War3 beta. But what was fun with BW was going to events and so on, and I knew that there wouldn't be much of that considering all the talk about WC3. In the start after changing, I liked BW much better, but now I have to say that I think WC3 is the better game. | ||
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Azile
United States339 Posts
I don't believe Frog is better than TLO at this current stage, but don't act like he's just some kid who walked in off the street with a copy of SC2. He's a pro, he's proven it so many times in the past and he's only going to get better. Hell just being (re)picked up by SK already says a lot. One difference choice in game 3 as to where to put his expo and it could easily have been 2-1 Frog. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The hidden expos is what cost MadFrog the first and third game. The hidden expo in the third game was really bad because he put it so close to the terran, a better spot would have been one in the east side so that at least he'd have a chance to defend it. As soon as TLO spotted the expo that game was over and MadFrog knew it but he played on to try to give the crowd a show. That second game was great and it showed MadFrog's legendary harassing skills. For the second series tomorrow I think MadFrog should pick Kulas Ravine and Metalopolis. I believe he can win tomorrow's series 3-2 if he picks the right maps. | ||
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Germany1350 Posts
They don't pick maps by the way but veto until 3/5 maps are left. | ||
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Denmark9396 Posts
And btw, Madfrog has been at top ladder player since phase 2, and played even matches against top players like Whitera. While TLO definately was the favourite before this one, one should def. still expect close matches. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On August 08 2010 06:02 Hider wrote: 1 question: Does anybody know where I can watch VODS? And btw, Madfrog has been at top ladder player since phase 2, and played even matches against top players like Whitera. While TLO definately was the favourite before this one, one should def. still expect close matches. VOD of all three games from today's series. http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/22299 Tomorrow they will play a best of 5. | ||
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Kim_Hyun_Han
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he was such a beast | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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acie
United States247 Posts
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
On August 08 2010 12:13 acie wrote: moon makes a lot more money on wc3 so hes not going to be switching to sc2 for a while Maybe the GSL will change Moon's mind... :D | ||
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United States536 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On August 08 2010 06:14 Dionyseus wrote: VOD of all three games from today's series. http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/22299 Tomorrow they will play a best of 5. Will there be a live stream of the event? | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
On August 08 2010 06:14 Dionyseus wrote: VOD of all three games from today's series. http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/22299 Tomorrow they will play a best of 5. I WILL NEVER COMPLAIN ABT ARTOSIS's VIDEOS AGAIN AFTER THIS VIDEO. is like ftv rofl. | ||
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Jocoma
Denmark100 Posts
Did you read the initial post  ?Blizzard is streaming the whole event on their official event site: http://www.wow-europe.com/rf10/ | ||
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HyTemplar
Germany265 Posts
On August 08 2010 16:04 T0fuuu wrote: I WILL NEVER COMPLAIN ABT ARTOSIS's VIDEOS AGAIN AFTER THIS VIDEO. is like ftv rofl. yeah very sad for someone without Premium;) | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
and im suprrised at how good tlo's gamesense is, he managed to scout them edit: and rotterdam is a fucking badass lmao | ||
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ScienceRob
United States382 Posts
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United States779 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On August 08 2010 16:13 Jocoma wrote: Did you read the initial post ?Blizzard is streaming the whole event on their official event site: http://www.wow-europe.com/rf10/ I did, but there is no stream there. I guess it doesn't start until 3am, but I don't see any link or player that shows a live stream. Maybe I'm blind? | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On August 08 2010 16:13 Jocoma wrote: Did you read the initial post ?Blizzard is streaming the whole event on their official event site: http://www.wow-europe.com/rf10/ I did, but there is no stream there. I guess it doesn't start until 3am, but I don't see any link or player that shows a live stream. Maybe I'm blind? EDIT: Yeah, I'm blind. Figured it out. | ||
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ScienceRob
United States382 Posts
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Shaoling
Sweden344 Posts
Go TLO!!! Demuslim is 2 cocky for his own good!!! I dont know who madfrog is!!! | ||
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
Altho madfrog won't be able to win more than 1 game I think, his play didn't feel solid and his macro was seriously lacking, too bad- he was one of my favourite wc3 players... Not sure how he will do in the later stages of sc2, I bet hes gonna have a hard time. We'll see^^ | ||
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Ankare
Sweden26 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:00 Desutroyah wrote: definitely watch and support this! great to see players play on a live stage with audience outside of Korea! Awesome! Go TLO!!! Demuslim is 2 cocky for his own good!!! I dont know who madfrog is!!! madfrog is that handsome swede. legendary wc3-player! | ||
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OnEMoReTrY
United States99 Posts
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
Is that what they said? | ||
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kilolo
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Canada5300 Posts
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GTR
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SimpleHarmonicMotion
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Realpenguin
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TLO you so awesome  | ||
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Gaxton
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AyJay
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LOL TLO is baller | ||
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Bibzball
France250 Posts
Seriously manner up Madfrog. | ||
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SimpleHarmonicMotion
Sweden187 Posts
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France250 Posts
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United States558 Posts
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Dionyseus
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baeracaed
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
Also, is madfrog stickin some snus in his lips? lol | ||
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Urth
United States1250 Posts
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Belgium1815 Posts
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ascoe
Korea (South)133 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:07 kilolo wrote: This stream (http://www.wow-europe.com/rf10/) is extreamly laggy, unwatchable, is there any way to fix it?fix it? it worked better using internet explorer instead of mozilla | ||
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SimpleHarmonicMotion
Sweden187 Posts
http://tv.esl.eu/de/ it works great for me atleast | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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Gaxton
Sweden2328 Posts
Nows its rapetime! | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
1)madfrog was a top level broodwar player, before switching to wc3 2)madfrog was literally #1 pointwise out of all players in phase 2 of the beta for a long period of time in the europe server under the name 'unknownart' this means that he is worthy to play TLO, even if TLO is obviously better than him right now. He also has a lot of potential. he also packs snus while playing, and shows signs of his trademark wc3 crazy as fuck harass style. how baller is that? | ||
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zomgnone
Russian Federation2 Posts
Good job from both players though. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
TLO can do anything because he is TERRAN. Not because he's TLO. User was warned for this post | ||
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Enox
Germany1667 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:07 ZapRoffo wrote: That's Demuslim casting? With the British or something accent? Is that what they said? yes, that's DeMuslim | ||
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
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snapcrackle
United States568 Posts
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whiteLotus
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:27 whiteLotus wrote: LOL madfrog looks so calm He always did. He always had this cold, calm, collected look to him while he's playing. | ||
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Sweden187 Posts
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Finland40 Posts
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:28 rushz0rz wrote: He always did. He always had this cold, calm, collected look to him while he's playing. yeah hes like I GOT THIS BABY I GOT THIS  | ||
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whiteLotus
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
im a madfrog fan now | ||
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Urth
United States1250 Posts
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baeracaed
United States604 Posts
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SimpleHarmonicMotion
Sweden187 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Gaxton
Sweden2328 Posts
Madfrog has this by the ass :3 Where all the "hurr durr hes lacking macro"-people now? | ||
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United States2081 Posts
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Urth
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nihlon
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nihlon
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Urth
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GTR
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nihlon
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Sweden187 Posts
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Sweden26 Posts
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whiteLotus
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baeracaed
United States604 Posts
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nath
United States1788 Posts
the one in the op, even when i click english(us) it doesn't come up with any stream... | ||
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nihlon
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Germany2959 Posts
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Urth
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United States604 Posts
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question
Czech Republic509 Posts
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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nath
United States1788 Posts
-2 expos. gg | ||
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Odies
Denmark275 Posts
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
Also they shoudl ahve a 3rd guy moving the cam they have absolutely no overview on what is going on its sometimes a bit annoying :/ | ||
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Netherlands942 Posts
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whiteLotus
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Urth
United States1250 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:45 Odies wrote: Great map choices when they know it's going to be tvz.... seriously...scrap station is pretty good for zerg, but other 2 are impossible | ||
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Bibzball
France250 Posts
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baeracaed
United States604 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:45 whiteLotus wrote: did madfrog put something in his mouth :D? Looked like he tried to hide it too. Probably bad breath. :p | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:45 PredY wrote: madfrog has sickkk control but his macro isn't up there with others yet I think his macro have been fine these first two games. | ||
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TheBJ
Bulgaria906 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:46 baeracaed wrote: Looked like he tried to hide it too. Probably bad breath. :p Snus actually. | ||
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mycro
Sweden1579 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:45 whiteLotus wrote: did madfrog put something in his mouth :D? It's called Snus, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus. | ||
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Bibzball
France250 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:47 nihlon wrote: I think his macro have been fine these first two games. Well... he did manage to produce about 17 mutalisks and 40+ zlings at the same time because of pooled resources. It would not be surprising if he was maxed and just lost his army, but I don't think he was. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:47 nihlon wrote: I think his macro have been fine these first two games. No I think his macro has been weak in every game he's played, but he overcomes that with his strategies and micro. | ||
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Canada5300 Posts
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Sweden187 Posts
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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Why doesnt terran have any tournament wins? Im laughing so hard | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:45 TheDna wrote: Lol who is the caster ? Sounds exactly like Kermit The Frog :D Also they shoudl ahve a 3rd guy moving the cam they have absolutely no overview on what is going on its sometimes a bit annoying :/ surprisingly thats demuslim ; 0 | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:45 TheDna wrote: Lol who is the caster ? Sounds exactly like Kermit The Frog :D Also they shoudl ahve a 3rd guy moving the cam they have absolutely no overview on what is going on its sometimes a bit annoying :/ The "Kermit the frog" caster is actually a very knowledgeable top level Terran =P | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
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SimpleHarmonicMotion
Sweden187 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:57 Dionyseus wrote: So what's the zerg counter to vikings? swap to protoss | ||
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Sweden26 Posts
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Man.Magic
United States178 Posts
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United States604 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:57 Dionyseus wrote: So what's the zerg counter to vikings? Mutalisks counter Vikings. Madfrog just playing cluelessly the whole series. | ||
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Germany2065 Posts
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Denmark275 Posts
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:56 SkyTheUnknown wrote: Omg, trying to counter massviking with corruptors. This can't work. i wonder what his thought process was at that point xD More mutalisk would have been better. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:58 Ankare wrote: this is so stupid. i get lag every 3-4 seconds sometimes.. so annoying.. anyone else? No problems here. | ||
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Urth
United States1250 Posts
is this standard? I never play this map | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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opticalza
New Zealand188 Posts
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Urth
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
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Canada5300 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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On August 08 2010 19:59 iG.ClouD wrote: Mutalisks counter Vikings. Madfrog just playing cluelessly the whole series. Mutas do not counter vikings if they are microed. they got +6 range on mutas, if there are too many they just shoot down 1 and go back, mutas arent fast enough to chase them down on KR | ||
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:04 Geo.Rion wrote: #Mutas do not counter vikings if they are microed. they got +6 range on mutas, if there are too many they just shoot down 1 and go back, mutas arent fast enough to chase them down on KR Except muta move fast enough that you don't need to worry about that. Seen people like sen go mass muta to kill vikings. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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On August 08 2010 20:09 Slayer91 wrote: # Except muta move fast enough that you don't need to worry about that. Seen people like sen go mass muta to kill vikings. yes i saw Sen doing well on KR, every other Zerg i saw or know fails against Vikings on KR, including myself. They have a great distance advantage and the safety is not far away so their solwer movespeed is a lot harder to be abused. Plus you canot expect to pump mutas out of 2 gas, and the natural's gas can be denied easely for a very long time. Are we realyl argugin that KR T>Z ? | ||
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GTR
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JAN0L
Poland207 Posts
he could end it ways erlier | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:13 JAN0L wrote: madfrog is so cruel he could end it ways erlier It's the smart thing to do in a BO5. Extend your wins as long as possible to build momentum. | ||
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fryy
Australia103 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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SimpleHarmonicMotion
Sweden187 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:59 iG.ClouD wrote: Mutalisks counter Vikings. Madfrog just playing cluelessly the whole series. Funny, saw you bashing frog yesterday as well. If he's so clueless, how come he's picking maps off TLO in what is arguably the most difficult matchup to play right now? I just think it's all envy from you, seeing as frog is where you want to be. | ||
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Czech Republic509 Posts
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
On August 08 2010 19:47 nihlon wrote: I think his macro have been fine these first two games. having 1k+ minerals and 1k+ gass for more than 75% of the game isn't good macro | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
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nath
United States1788 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:13 JAN0L wrote: madfrog is so cruel he could end it ways erlier cruel? maybe but i loved it. play safe and maximise the margin of victory. you cant blame him though. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:04 Geo.Rion wrote: Mutas do not counter vikings if they are microed. they got +6 range on mutas, if there are too many they just shoot down 1 and go back, mutas arent fast enough to chase them down on KR You can't micro against mutas because vikings stop when they shoot, hence what you say is wrong. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:16 FindingPride wrote: madfrog = foreigner bisu What makes you say Bisu? | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
they both are good looking and, madfrog does crazy shit like going hydras and mutas at same time :D | ||
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Odies
Denmark275 Posts
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mcht
Germany201 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:15 SimpleHarmonicMotion wrote: Funny, saw you bashing frog yesterday as well. If he's so clueless, how come he's picking maps off TLO in what is arguably the most difficult matchup to play right now? I just think it's all envy from you, seeing as frog is where you want to be. Madfrog is not at TLO level by any mean, but he's still winning some games. What makes me laugh is the fact that people is still saying terran imba when there are players who can't lose at all against terran like Dimaga. They should have invited him instead of Madfrog, then everyone would have seen how strong zerg really is. Watching Madfrog losing 50 lings against 2 hellions, making corruptors against vikings and not mutas, stacking more than 3k minerals every single game, suiciding stuff into defense instead of sniping expansions just makes me think he's still clueless about SC2. The only game he played with the correct unit composition today was the one on Delta Quadrant, and he still managed to get over 6k minerals. It's not bashing, it's more like stating the facts. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:16 ZaaaaaM wrote: having 1k+ minerals and 1k+ gass for more than 75% of the game isn't good macro If you can prove that was the case in the first two games (which was what I was commentating) I'll agree with you. I do suspect though you just pulled those numbers out of your ass. And I said fine, not good. I can show you plenty of replays with high level players with similar macro skills so I don't see how he isn't "up there with others". | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
Madfrog is playing Zerg in an interesting way we do not see from our usual "good Zerg players" and he is winning with these tactics. He is fun to watch compared with loads of other Zerg and somewhat creative as TLO himself is. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
hahaha, great sentence to describe that play. | ||
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Urth
United States1250 Posts
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GTR
51480 Posts
ah nope, he's done. | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
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Urth
United States1250 Posts
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cheeseninja
Canada35 Posts
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SimpleHarmonicMotion
Sweden187 Posts
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baeracaed
United States604 Posts
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
GJ TLO! But also GJ madfrog. Good to see him back. | ||
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Man.Magic
United States178 Posts
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United States7366 Posts
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Czech Republic509 Posts
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Bibzball
France250 Posts
Madfrog still played well, eager to see what we'll see from him in the future | ||
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nataziel
Australia1455 Posts
It's pretty funny that at a blizzard event that the casters are implying the game is imba in TvZ | ||
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Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Sweden3917 Posts
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Gaxton
Sweden2328 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:33 Day[9] wrote: those games were like rigged level good. fortunately, I know dario would never do that so, just fucking insane play by both players wowowowowow. The Thoughthammer has spoken. | ||
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:16 iG.ClouD wrote: You can't micro against mutas because vikings stop when they shoot, hence what you say is wrong. i said shoot down one then pull back all the way home, IF he has more mutas. But given the fact you deny his natural's gas early on, there's not likely he'll outnumber your vikings anytime soon. Btw i thought you were a Protoss player Cloud. | ||
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cheeseninja
Canada35 Posts
At like 4am his time?? GJ Thoughthammer!! A True TLO fan! | ||
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Hjertify
Sweden70 Posts
GJ TLO. | ||
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United States19 Posts
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Canada2029 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:33 Day[9] wrote: those games were like rigged level good. fortunately, I know dario would never do that so, just fucking insane play by both players wowowowowow. sick icon man! | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:37 Geo.Rion wrote: i said shoot down one then pull back all the way home, IF he has more mutas. But given the fact you deny his natural's gas early on, there's not likely he'll outnumber your vikings anytime soon. Btw i thought you were a Protoss player Cloud. It pretty much works like this on Kulas Ravine, you use queens to counter vikings in air and mutas won't allow them to land. Once you have mutas it's impossible to harass gas, and if the terran keeps making vikings it's just autoloss. TLO was lucky Madfrog didn't keep stacking mutas for some reason, otherwise the game wouldn't have been won by him. | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
Great job by both players. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:39 01d55 wrote: Madfrog's improvement today over yesterday was like night and day. I figured he was going to get better but damn, that was quick. He still lost a quite a bit of minerals on that attempt to hide an expo on LT but he did manage to squeeze some gas out of it. He said something in the post interview about not being used to the equipment yesterday. Empty excuse or not, it might have played a factor. | ||
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Jimmy Raynor
902 Posts
Have you ever watched a zerg game before? Maybe go watch some Idra games or any zerg for that matter because when you got 4+ bases minerals always stack up. | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:22 iG.ClouD wrote: Madfrog is not at TLO level by any mean, but he's still winning some games. What makes me laugh is the fact that people is still saying terran imba when there are players who can't lose at all against terran like Dimaga. They should have invited him instead of Madfrog, then everyone would have seen how strong zerg really is. Watching Madfrog losing 50 lings against 2 hellions, making corruptors against vikings and not mutas, stacking more than 3k minerals every single game, suiciding stuff into defense instead of sniping expansions just makes me think he's still clueless about SC2. The only game he played with the correct unit composition today was the one on Delta Quadrant, and he still managed to get over 6k minerals. It's not bashing, it's more like stating the facts. Dimaga can't lose against Terran? 0-2 vs IntoTheRainbow in KOTB 0-2 vs QXC in KOTB 1-3 vs Strelok in last week's Craftcup final | ||
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Norway1510 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On August 08 2010 20:40 iG.ClouD wrote: It pretty much works like this on Kulas Ravine, you use queens to counter vikings in air and mutas won't allow them to land. Once you have mutas it's impossible to harass gas, and if the terran keeps making vikings it's just autoloss. TLO was lucky Madfrog didn't keep stacking mutas for some reason, otherwise the game wouldn't have been won by him. not after that opening mutas do counter vikings but after the early game harass madfrog's only chance was the zergling counter and it didnt do nearly enough. if all those corruptors had been mutas instead tlo still wouldve won the air fight, and madfrog hadnt even started a third. the problem is not that terran is particularly strong mid/late game, pure mech is but very few people use it for whatever reason, its the strength of all the possible openings. ya mutas are fine vs vikings, but not when you lose a queen, a bunch of overlords, drones, and mining time early. tlo was even letting him get away with hatch first expand, which should never happen. | ||
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UntitledQ
Germany99 Posts
Is it too early to ask for VODs? | ||
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Shawngood
Germany473 Posts
As for the complaints regarding the maps: Both players voted the maps so MaDFroG actually had the chance to remove some of the maps that you believe didn't favour the matchup for him. But he decided to remove different maps... | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
TLO FIGHTING!!! | ||
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Sweden203 Posts
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Hjertify
Sweden70 Posts
On August 08 2010 21:14 teekuppi wrote: Here's a link to the VOD http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22299 that is the old vods from yesterday??? todays games where more awsome | ||
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UntitledQ
Germany99 Posts
On August 08 2010 21:14 teekuppi wrote: Here's a link to the VOD http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22299 Thanks a lot! | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
http://www.fragster.de/download/58/demos-replays-starcraft-2-1on1/4514/blizzard-starcraft-ii-2010-european-warcraft-invitational-showmatch/ | ||
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
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HyTemplar
Germany265 Posts
Its sick to see how freaking biased you are iG.Cloud. Just wow.[/QUOTE show me ONE italian in the world who would cheer for a german?im giving you 100 euros | ||
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Italy2428 Posts
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Sweden2089 Posts
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Dav_
Hungary236 Posts
On August 08 2010 22:35 iG.ClouD wrote: The fact I believe Madfrog was the wrong choice for such an important showmatch doesn't mean I wasn't cheering for TLO by any means. Again, why picking Madfrog over Dimaga or any real top zerg player? because it's a Warcraft tournament. this showmatch was all about showing SC2 to the WC3 players | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
On August 08 2010 22:35 iG.ClouD wrote: The fact I believe Madfrog was the wrong choice for such an important showmatch doesn't mean I wasn't cheering for TLO by any means. Again, why picking Madfrog over Dimaga or any real top zerg player? Because it's a Blizzard showmatch, the purpose of which is to draw attention to the event and the game and Madfrog is one of the most well known and well liked players in Blizzard game history. It's similar to when glhf.it arranged an invitational tournament and invited you on the basis of your nationality, when there were clearly other better, more deserving players around. Of course, you weren't complaining in that instance. | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
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Hjertify
Sweden70 Posts
On August 08 2010 23:25 stafu wrote: Are those replays not working for anyone else? :/ they work fine for me. | ||
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FlashIsHigh
United States474 Posts
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Vandro
Netherlands384 Posts
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soverRR
Sweden348 Posts
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Izzachar
Sweden285 Posts
On August 08 2010 22:35 iG.ClouD wrote: The fact I believe Madfrog was the wrong choice for such an important showmatch doesn't mean I wasn't cheering for TLO by any means. Again, why picking Madfrog over Dimaga or any real top zerg player? If Im not wrong madfrog was top on EU ladder at end of beta. Defo a top Z player. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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soverRR
Sweden348 Posts
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wikid
Sweden300 Posts
On August 08 2010 22:35 iG.ClouD wrote: The fact I believe Madfrog was the wrong choice for such an important showmatch doesn't mean I wasn't cheering for TLO by any means. Again, why picking Madfrog over Dimaga or any real top zerg player? It's not all about having the most skilled player for a show match. It's about what the audience want to see. Madfrog has a huge fan base from warcraft 3 while when I and many others hear the name Dimaga its like: "oh, the guy who cheated". | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On August 08 2010 22:47 cuppatea wrote: Because it's a Blizzard showmatch, the purpose of which is to draw attention to the event and the game and Madfrog is one of the most well known and well liked players in Blizzard game history. It's similar to when glhf.it arranged an invitational tournament and invited you on the basis of your nationality, when there were clearly other better, more deserving players around. Of course, you weren't complaining in that instance. That gave me a good chuckle. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
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dafunk
France521 Posts
Agree. And I would add that you werent complaining, and nobody did. Cause it's good to see some diversity in tournaments. Its always interesting to see a legend on his way back tot the top fighting against one of the best. Its was a good SHOWMATCH considering that he hasnt been playing the game for too long. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Aelfric
Turkey1496 Posts
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
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Izzachar
Sweden285 Posts
On August 09 2010 01:22 wikid wrote: It's not all about having the most skilled player for a show match. It's about what the audience want to see. Madfrog has a huge fan base from warcraft 3 while when I and many others hear the name Dimaga its like: "oh, the guy who cheated". cheat? | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5623 Posts
Getting free wins from his friends in TSL ladder stages. That's why he's banned from the official TL events (dunno when the ban expires). | ||
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mycro
Sweden1579 Posts
Think he means the TSL, couple of the players including dimaga got banned from events for a while for doing something against the rules in TSL2. Can't remember what it was now though. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
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mtmf
Brazil420 Posts
http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22308/high | ||
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
Thanks mtmf | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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Hjertify
Sweden70 Posts
On August 09 2010 03:50 Skyze wrote: Madfrog just started playing beta at phase 2.. he hasnt been around since the very first patch like TLO or Dimaga.. yet he was still #1 on the Euro ladder at the end. Give him afew more weeks to catch up with experience like the rest of the players have, and he'll be dominating like he always does soon. i think he will need more then some weeks but im sure that after some time of training he will be one of the better sc2 players. (considering his RTS experience from sc1 and wc3) | ||
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
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fds64
Germany18 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On August 09 2010 05:28 fds64 wrote: what is it that madfrag puts in his mouth? Snus. It's been said a few times now. | ||
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On August 09 2010 05:28 fds64 wrote: what is it that madfrag puts in his mouth? ![[image loading]](http://danielfagerholm.webblogg.se/images/2008/snus_mus_6535_210_23020192.jpg) | ||
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
I wish i could've seen other guys face when he said that :D | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
Couldn't they have told TLO to smile when they showed the player sheet thing? XD They were like "Hooray! It's TLO!" *TLO frowns* | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On August 08 2010 22:47 cuppatea wrote: Because it's a Blizzard showmatch, the purpose of which is to draw attention to the event and the game and Madfrog is one of the most well known and well liked players in Blizzard game history. It's similar to when glhf.it arranged an invitational tournament and invited you on the basis of your nationality, when there were clearly other better, more deserving players around. Of course, you weren't complaining in that instance. probably gonna need some ice for that burn but seriously it's a warcraft 3 tournament and what better way to celebrate the game then to pit the legend madfrog against TLO. | ||
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Izzachar
Sweden285 Posts
Otherwise nice play | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On August 09 2010 03:50 Skyze wrote: Madfrog just started playing beta at phase 2.. he hasnt been around since the very first patch like TLO or Dimaga.. yet he was still #1 on the Euro ladder at the end. Give him afew more weeks to catch up with experience like the rest of the players have, and he'll be dominating like he always does soon. Madfrog said he started playign a few weeks after beta came out. He just felt like he was good enough to announce his presence in phase 2 | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
- A confused Madfrog fan. | ||
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teko
Canada1197 Posts
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Azile
United States339 Posts
FroG made some stupid choices in the first series but still managed to take a game off TLO purely by outplaying him. He outplays him in multiple games in the second series but still gets gibbed by how ridiculously unfair LT and Kulas are not to mention bad luck on starting positions. Mech solves, spam thors and press E for victory. | ||
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Nilpotenca
Slovenia9 Posts
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
Also when madfrog was terran he used to be #1 pointswise in beta with the nick UnknownArt right ? I think in a few patches madfrog will be near the very top in sc2. His game 4 in the 2nd showmatch was super awesome. Tlo had no chance in that game whatsoever. Wich is really rare in that matchup. Ok Tlo messed up a bit with his tricky expo but still awesome awesome game. | ||
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teko
Canada1197 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On August 09 2010 10:32 teko wrote: TLO is very good at harassing. MadFrog is better in macro. Lol, have you read this thread? | ||
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RandomBS
United States130 Posts
On August 09 2010 09:29 Azile wrote: After watching the bo5 series, I retract my previous statement about TLO being the better player at the moment. FroG is better, TLO won purely by his race choice and map imbalance. FroG made some stupid choices in the first series but still managed to take a game off TLO purely by outplaying him. He outplays him in multiple games in the second series but still gets gibbed by how ridiculously unfair LT and Kulas are not to mention bad luck on starting positions. Mech solves, spam thors and press E for victory. Hold up let me get my zerg tear collection equipment out. | ||
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bostic
Australia41 Posts
Also, replays anyone? | ||
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viscral
United States45 Posts
http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22299 | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
yea i mean wtf, he floated over 2k minerals at some points in that roach match. Its just proof that terran mech has the potential to be very fragile. | ||
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Splunge
Germany925 Posts
GosuGamers TLO Interview | ||
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ven
Germany332 Posts
On August 09 2010 08:26 Bibbit wrote: Definitely became a huge MadFrog fan here. His game on Delta Quadrant was absolutely unreal. I coulda sworn you cant do what he did without dying immediately but he proved me wrong. Although I have an admittedly limited understanding of WC3 (aka I've played like 10 games), it doesn't seem to be very economy oriented. But Madfrog just takes like 6 bases like it was nothing which seems especially weird for a WC3 player. - A confused Madfrog fan. Before War3 MaDFroG was a very strong BW player as well. Also he introduced a very economy oriented style to the otherwise more aggressive or tech oriented play of the undead race. So he's not as far out of his depth as you might think. | ||
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tosS.ita
Italy523 Posts
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chukpeev
234 Posts
http://sc2casts.com/cast373-TheLittleOne-vs-MaDFroG-Best-of-5-Blizzard-Event-Showmatch | ||
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AT_Tack
Germany435 Posts
Next game Madfrog double fe'ed and TLO went: "Hm, this tiem imma not harrass because im so innovative and funny!" now blizz thinks: "Eh, that Madfrog guy took 3 games from TLO? Maybe Terran is not OP after all..." | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On August 09 2010 18:38 Devanthar wrote: dont know if its already posted: Video Interview with LiquidTLO after showmatch GosuGamers TLO Interview good stuff, so happy to hear he's gonna try to participate in the GOMTV thingy, I hope that goes for all of Team Liquid | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
Madfrog also showed that you don't have to win to impress, one of the best Zerg play so far!!!, he will be a force to recon with in tourneys might as well add that Demuslim did some nice commentary blizz guy was also hot, i mean cool... | ||
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Hjertify
Sweden70 Posts
On August 09 2010 21:00 AT_Tack wrote: TLO could have rolled over madfrog at anytime, but he was like: "hey, im TLO lets to some funny battlecruiser rush and piss away the game!" Next game Madfrog double fe'ed and TLO went: "Hm, this tiem imma not harrass because im so innovative and funny!" now blizz thinks: "Eh, that Madfrog guy took 3 games from TLO? Maybe Terran is not OP after all..." the best game was the second one where TLO won i think, TLO played pritty standard and madfrog still held off quite well. The game where he did a battlecruiser rush he would most likley lost anyway i think considering him having no expansion and madfrog ready to take his third... Well thats just me thinking that maybe. And the last game was a reall close one, i think if madfrog did not decied to base trade he could have won that game and more importantly if he built his "sneaky expansion" somewhere else so TLO could not abuse the xel naga watch tower... The third game was an hard lose for Madfrog but he is far from the first zerg i see lose that hard on Kulvas Ravine versus terrans, it just favores terran alot... i nthe fourth game TLO lost majorly thanks to him not expecting that many banelings... not the fast expo... even if that migth added on the loss. anyway dont matter who wins or losses was awsome matches and was a nice watch. sorry for my bad english... | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On August 09 2010 20:41 chukpeev wrote: games posted in here with youtube vids and no spoilers: http://sc2casts.com/cast373-TheLittleOne-vs-MaDFroG-Best-of-5-Blizzard-Event-Showmatch not anymore, turtle entertainment just blocked it. | ||
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Lemure
189 Posts
On August 09 2010 20:41 chukpeev wrote: games posted in here with youtube vids and no spoilers: http://sc2casts.com/cast373-TheLittleOne-vs-MaDFroG-Best-of-5-Blizzard-Event-Showmatch It says "This video contains content from Turtle Entertainment GmbH, who has blocked it on copyright grounds." | ||
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Cajun2k1
Netherlands399 Posts
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chukpeev
234 Posts
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
Its really strange that we got it in HQ live and now for the recording in HQ you'd need to have ESL TV premium | ||
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tosS.ita
Italy523 Posts
http://www.starcraftworld.it/index.php/replay/index | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5623 Posts
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
On August 09 2010 22:00 TBO wrote: they have very low quality free VODs available on http://tv.esl.eu/de/#/de/vod Its really strange that we got it in HQ live and now for the recording in HQ you'd need to have ESL TV premium Yeah its really strange that for all the money it costs to arrange such a showmatch they would want their investment back. How fucking strange. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
But I guess Blizzard insisted on having the livestream for free and didn't care about what the ESL does with the VODs | ||
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mtmf
Brazil420 Posts
http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On August 10 2010 01:32 mtmf wrote: TLO vs Blizzard Community Team http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high oh wow the last game was so sick. Reminded me a bit of TLOwnage :D | ||
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noproblem
United Kingdom161 Posts
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sekalf
Sweden522 Posts
BO5 day 2 vids in good quality can be found in this thread http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/283409182 Direct link to all 5 day 2 games (about 650mb ziped) http://media.wow-europe.com/stream/regional_finals10/sc2showmatches.zip Awesome games btw, got lots of respect for madfrog after watching those.. and go sweden! | ||
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roymarthyup
1442 Posts
if tlo did that each game it would be 3-0 tlo | ||
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puissance
97 Posts
Maybe because Weapon upgrade wouldnt have reduced the number of hits required to kill stuff? Anyway im really impressed by Madfrogs play, in my opinion he shows how Zerg should be played in general. Huge focus on expanding, countering / run by and abusing the opponents unit composition (tech switches). His biggest problems / loses came from map imbalances, where either the rush distances are very short or there is same way to abuse like a cliff over the natural (LT / Kulas). | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
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teko
Canada1197 Posts
I also just noticed another showmatch: TLO vs. Blizzard Community Team (krzysztof): http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5623 Posts
On August 11 2010 17:04 teko wrote: Higher quality VODs now available on TL youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet#g/u I also just noticed another showmatch: TLO vs. Blizzard Community Team (krzysztof): http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high Krzysztof = hullah = 100% confirmed hacker, banned from all BW leagues/tournaments. It's a shame Blizzard hired a hacker. It's definitely a hit to their credibility... | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
everyone makes mistakes. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5623 Posts
He got pretty low, won't you agree? | ||
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Alterran
Sweden23 Posts
Cuz i have played so many games and never seen a collectors thor. Is it like a skin mod for your client only? | ||
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brain_
United States812 Posts
And Kulas... oh god... ![[image loading]](http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/3387/ledgeseverywhere.png) | ||
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DTown
United States428 Posts
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erlaiys
Estonia46 Posts
On August 11 2010 17:04 teko wrote: Higher quality VODs now available on TL youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet#g/u I also just noticed another showmatch: TLO vs. Blizzard Community Team (krzysztof): http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high Watched the first game earlier today and now can't view the rest because of some copyright issues on YouTube. What's up with that? | ||
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teko
Canada1197 Posts
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dNo_O
United States233 Posts
On August 11 2010 18:10 maybenexttime wrote: Krzysztof = hullah = 100% confirmed hacker, banned from all BW leagues/tournaments. It's a shame Blizzard hired a hacker. It's definitely a hit to their credibility... why is that a hit to their credibility? | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
Obviously that would hurt their credibility due to bad judgment hiring out for a guy to be involved in the "official" blizzard starcraft scene knowing that he was previously a hacker, it doesn't seem like it would really hurt them that much if thats what your emplying but it does show that they don't care as much about what active sc community members think towards their presenting us all with someone who did something of that nature. Personally it doesn't bother me because i mean comon blizz screws up a lot, mainly because we all have such high hopes for them (not to mention the game being a sport lol) that theres no way they could ever measure up but certainly this move could possibly come off as rude or insensitive towards players/community members who follow a moral code towards the game and its all those involved imo (think of it like if mcdonalds hired a cook who had previously purposefully given customers food poisoning, was caught, and fired from another mcdonalds, it just doesn't really seem like good business sense). | ||
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scrdmnttr
United States96 Posts
Both played very professionally with excellent understanding of the game. | ||
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laste
Bulgaria242 Posts
This video contains content from Turtle Entertainment GmbH, who has blocked it on copyright grounds. you have got to be fucking kidding me.. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5623 Posts
Because that's hypocritical of them. On one hand, they ban hackers and are generally very negative towards them, on the other hand, they hire a blatant hacker from their very game... It's ridiculous that someone who was deliberately RUINING StarCraft events is now going to be RUNNING them, on Blizzard behalf on top of that. Ironic. T____T | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On August 11 2010 18:28 maybenexttime wrote: And not everyone has the guts to admit he hacked and tried to frame other, innocent people while making official statements denying he ever hacked, it seems. He got pretty low, won't you agree? how do u frame someone for you hacking?:O | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5623 Posts
He tried to frame MistrZZZ while he himself hacked in the very game that was supposed to be the evidence of MistrZZZ hacking. Hullah also hacked in other games too. | ||
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dNo_O
United States233 Posts
On August 12 2010 13:30 RaLakedaimon wrote: Obviously that would hurt their credibility due to bad judgment hiring out for a guy to be involved in the "official" blizzard starcraft scene knowing that he was previously a hacker, it doesn't seem like it would really hurt them that much if thats what your emplying but it does show that they don't care as much about what active sc community members think towards their presenting us all with someone who did something of that nature. Personally it doesn't bother me because i mean comon blizz screws up a lot, mainly because we all have such high hopes for them (not to mention the game being a sport lol) that theres no way they could ever measure up but certainly this move could possibly come off as rude or insensitive towards players/community members who follow a moral code towards the game and its all those involved imo (think of it like if mcdonalds hired a cook who had previously purposefully given customers food poisoning, was caught, and fired from another mcdonalds, it just doesn't really seem like good business sense). your example isn't relevant at all. this is nothing at all like mcdonalds. hiring him would have nothing to do with what the community thinks about him, and furthermore if people are only thinking emotionally that's not really part of the business, do you think hiring him could possibly, at all, ever, have any effect on their sales? no. don't kid yourself, you're not going to not buy their game because someone who was a known cheater in a previous game of theirs is now working for them... although, i would agree that it's obvious at this point blizzard is all about their bottom line. hiring someone who knows how programs work, and in this case probably knows how hacks work, is hiring someone who has better insight on exactly what you would want them to have insight on. if you hire someone who knows how to backwards engineer your previous anti-cheat system, or even iccup's, which was the communities anti-cheat system, you're hiring someone with experience and knowledge about how people will try to work around your new anti-cheat. this is a good example of exactly good business sense. why do you think there was so much competition over nazi scientists between the west and the soviets after wwii? | ||
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