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TLO vs MadFrog showmatch - Page 29

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puissance
Profile Joined May 2010
97 Posts
August 10 2010 09:52 GMT
#561
Have you guys also watched the BO3 from before the BO3 ? TLO did a brilliant opener there with a very fast expo and early upgrades. I am wondering why he upgraded Armor first consequently. His initial composition was Hellion, Thor - any ideas?
Maybe because Weapon upgrade wouldnt have reduced the number of hits required to kill stuff?
Anyway im really impressed by Madfrogs play, in my opinion he shows how Zerg should be played in general. Huge focus on expanding, countering / run by and abusing the opponents unit composition (tech switches).
His biggest problems / loses came from map imbalances, where either the rush distances are very short or there is same way to abuse like a cliff over the natural (LT / Kulas).
At the back door there's the collapsible rocks, you wanna destroy those to block off the back door with rocks and your opponent has to kill the rocks, and later you can shoot down the rocks to get to the third.. ~Day9 TvP Hots Battlereport
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
August 10 2010 10:14 GMT
#562
Madfrog likes zergling play so an armor upgrade is pretty good there because of the ling's low damage. (as opposed to roaches for example who have high base dmg so it won't do much there)
here i am
teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
August 11 2010 08:04 GMT
#563
Higher quality VODs now available on TL youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet#g/u

I also just noticed another showmatch: TLO vs. Blizzard Community Team (krzysztof): http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5722 Posts
August 11 2010 09:10 GMT
#564
On August 11 2010 17:04 teko wrote:
Higher quality VODs now available on TL youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet#g/u

I also just noticed another showmatch: TLO vs. Blizzard Community Team (krzysztof): http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high


Krzysztof = hullah = 100% confirmed hacker, banned from all BW leagues/tournaments.

It's a shame Blizzard hired a hacker. It's definitely a hit to their credibility...
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
August 11 2010 09:25 GMT
#565
hullah is one of the most awesome people ive had honor to have on my msn, couldnt give less shit about his hacking.
everyone makes mistakes.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5722 Posts
August 11 2010 09:28 GMT
#566
And not everyone has the guts to admit he hacked and tried to frame other, innocent people while making official statements denying he ever hacked, it seems.

He got pretty low, won't you agree?
Alterran
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden23 Posts
August 11 2010 09:31 GMT
#567
About the thor collectors model, can everyone see it or is this only some skin that CE guys can see?
Cuz i have played so many games and never seen a collectors thor. Is it like a skin mod for your client only?
brain_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-11 12:39:57
August 11 2010 12:20 GMT
#568
Sad that game2 in the Bo5 basically came down to that basetrade where MadFrog let the Vikings take out two Hatcheries. After absolutely PHENOMENAL play that entire game, beating the odds time and time again (even recovering from annoying Thordrop map abuse), he lost almost immediately because of one bad decision.


And Kulas... oh god...

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DTown
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-11 14:45:40
August 11 2010 14:45 GMT
#569
Overall impressed with MadFrog's play, but he did some really stupid things. I forget which game it was, but I am talking specifically about one of the longer, earlier games where he went speedling muta. TLO got tons of blue-flame hellions and Thors and MadFrog did not even attempt to alter his unit comp besides eventually throwing in some infestors. Granted, I'm surprised he was as competitive in that game as he was, given his strategy, but a quick 150min roach warren would have worked wonders for him in turning that game in his favor. = (
erlaiys
Profile Joined April 2010
Estonia46 Posts
August 11 2010 19:55 GMT
#570
On August 11 2010 17:04 teko wrote:
Higher quality VODs now available on TL youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet#g/u

I also just noticed another showmatch: TLO vs. Blizzard Community Team (krzysztof): http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high

Watched the first game earlier today and now can't view the rest because of some copyright issues on YouTube. What's up with that?
teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
August 11 2010 21:37 GMT
#571
Yea, it seems the ESL parent company removed them. Alternately, you can also download the FLVs from Blizzard's website: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/283409182#10
dNo_O
Profile Joined November 2008
United States233 Posts
August 12 2010 03:21 GMT
#572
On August 11 2010 18:10 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2010 17:04 teko wrote:
Higher quality VODs now available on TL youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet#g/u

I also just noticed another showmatch: TLO vs. Blizzard Community Team (krzysztof): http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high


Krzysztof = hullah = 100% confirmed hacker, banned from all BW leagues/tournaments.

It's a shame Blizzard hired a hacker. It's definitely a hit to their credibility...


why is that a hit to their credibility?
It is a profitable thing, if one is wise, to seem foolish.
RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 04:33:40
August 12 2010 04:30 GMT
#573
On August 12 2010 12:21 dNo_O wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2010 18:10 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 11 2010 17:04 teko wrote:
Higher quality VODs now available on TL youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet#g/u

I also just noticed another showmatch: TLO vs. Blizzard Community Team (krzysztof): http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high


Krzysztof = hullah = 100% confirmed hacker, banned from all BW leagues/tournaments.

It's a shame Blizzard hired a hacker. It's definitely a hit to their credibility...


why is that a hit to their credibility?


Obviously that would hurt their credibility due to bad judgment hiring out for a guy to be involved in the "official" blizzard starcraft scene knowing that he was previously a hacker, it doesn't seem like it would really hurt them that much if thats what your emplying but it does show that they don't care as much about what active sc community members think towards their presenting us all with someone who did something of that nature. Personally it doesn't bother me because i mean comon blizz screws up a lot, mainly because we all have such high hopes for them (not to mention the game being a sport lol) that theres no way they could ever measure up but certainly this move could possibly come off as rude or insensitive towards players/community members who follow a moral code towards the game and its all those involved imo (think of it like if mcdonalds hired a cook who had previously purposefully given customers food poisoning, was caught, and fired from another mcdonalds, it just doesn't really seem like good business sense).
scrdmnttr
Profile Joined May 2010
United States96 Posts
August 12 2010 08:06 GMT
#574
Wow I was really impressed with the quality of the games.

Both played very professionally with excellent understanding of the game.
laste
Profile Joined November 2008
Bulgaria242 Posts
August 12 2010 08:31 GMT
#575
"2010 Warcraft EU Invitational - SC2 Showmatch: TLAF-Liquid`TLO vs SK.MaDFroG Set 1 (1/2)"
This video contains content from Turtle Entertainment GmbH, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.


you have got to be fucking kidding me..
Everybody will be in bronze soon, because Tasteless will have all our ladder points.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5722 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-12 08:44:03
August 12 2010 08:40 GMT
#576
On August 12 2010 12:21 dNo_O wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2010 18:10 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 11 2010 17:04 teko wrote:
Higher quality VODs now available on TL youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet#g/u

I also just noticed another showmatch: TLO vs. Blizzard Community Team (krzysztof): http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high


Krzysztof = hullah = 100% confirmed hacker, banned from all BW leagues/tournaments.

It's a shame Blizzard hired a hacker. It's definitely a hit to their credibility...


why is that a hit to their credibility?


Because that's hypocritical of them. On one hand, they ban hackers and are generally very negative towards them, on the other hand, they hire a blatant hacker from their very game...

It's ridiculous that someone who was deliberately RUINING StarCraft events is now going to be RUNNING them, on Blizzard behalf on top of that. Ironic. T____T
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
August 12 2010 09:03 GMT
#577
Nice games, TLO showing off his zerg mastery.
here i am
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
August 12 2010 09:11 GMT
#578
On August 11 2010 18:28 maybenexttime wrote:
And not everyone has the guts to admit he hacked and tried to frame other, innocent people while making official statements denying he ever hacked, it seems.

He got pretty low, won't you agree?

how do u frame someone for you hacking?:O
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5722 Posts
August 12 2010 09:20 GMT
#579
On August 12 2010 18:11 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2010 18:28 maybenexttime wrote:
And not everyone has the guts to admit he hacked and tried to frame other, innocent people while making official statements denying he ever hacked, it seems.

He got pretty low, won't you agree?

how do u frame someone for you hacking?:O


He tried to frame MistrZZZ while he himself hacked in the very game that was supposed to be the evidence of MistrZZZ hacking. Hullah also hacked in other games too.
dNo_O
Profile Joined November 2008
United States233 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 00:42:40
August 13 2010 00:39 GMT
#580
On August 12 2010 13:30 RaLakedaimon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 12:21 dNo_O wrote:
On August 11 2010 18:10 maybenexttime wrote:
On August 11 2010 17:04 teko wrote:
Higher quality VODs now available on TL youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/teamliquidnet#g/u

I also just noticed another showmatch: TLO vs. Blizzard Community Team (krzysztof): http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22313/high


Krzysztof = hullah = 100% confirmed hacker, banned from all BW leagues/tournaments.

It's a shame Blizzard hired a hacker. It's definitely a hit to their credibility...


why is that a hit to their credibility?


Obviously that would hurt their credibility due to bad judgment hiring out for a guy to be involved in the "official" blizzard starcraft scene knowing that he was previously a hacker, it doesn't seem like it would really hurt them that much if thats what your emplying but it does show that they don't care as much about what active sc community members think towards their presenting us all with someone who did something of that nature. Personally it doesn't bother me because i mean comon blizz screws up a lot, mainly because we all have such high hopes for them (not to mention the game being a sport lol) that theres no way they could ever measure up but certainly this move could possibly come off as rude or insensitive towards players/community members who follow a moral code towards the game and its all those involved imo (think of it like if mcdonalds hired a cook who had previously purposefully given customers food poisoning, was caught, and fired from another mcdonalds, it just doesn't really seem like good business sense).



your example isn't relevant at all. this is nothing at all like mcdonalds. hiring him would have nothing to do with what the community thinks about him, and furthermore if people are only thinking emotionally that's not really part of the business, do you think hiring him could possibly, at all, ever, have any effect on their sales? no. don't kid yourself, you're not going to not buy their game because someone who was a known cheater in a previous game of theirs is now working for them... although, i would agree that it's obvious at this point blizzard is all about their bottom line.

hiring someone who knows how programs work, and in this case probably knows how hacks work, is hiring someone who has better insight on exactly what you would want them to have insight on. if you hire someone who knows how to backwards engineer your previous anti-cheat system, or even iccup's, which was the communities anti-cheat system, you're hiring someone with experience and knowledge about how people will try to work around your new anti-cheat. this is a good example of exactly good business sense. why do you think there was so much competition over nazi scientists between the west and the soviets after wwii?
It is a profitable thing, if one is wise, to seem foolish.
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