• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:59
CEST 12:59
KST 19:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers17Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid24
StarCraft 2
General
Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Data needed ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions Pros React To: ASL S21, Ro.16 Group C BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group D [ASL21] Ro16 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Dawn of War IV Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1782 users

TLO vs MadFrog showmatch - Page 5

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 27 28 29 Next All
OTIX
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden491 Posts
August 04 2010 14:28 GMT
#81
TLO is awesome. Madfrog is awesome. This is gonna be awesome.

That is all.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 14:32:23
August 04 2010 14:31 GMT
#82
On August 04 2010 08:18 Dionyseus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 08:08 Squeegy wrote:
On August 04 2010 04:38 PokePill wrote:
On August 04 2010 04:33 infuzer wrote:
SC is like 99% macro.
WC3 is like 99% micro.
I think SC2 depends more on micro than macro for winning.



SC2 is 99% timings, build orders, and decision making. Micro and macro are the easiest aspects by far.


Moreover, while macro was nonexistent in WC3, micro wasn't nonexistent in SC. It was very much there and much, much harder to pull off than in WC3, although admittably the game wasn't as much about micro as WC3. Anyway, this is why Bisu is the person whose micro has been by far the most impressive I've ever seen from any game. I don't get it why they think SC had no micro.


I don't see how micro in BW is harder to pull off than in WC3. WC3 has tons of spells and fewer units which makes it even more important to keep your units alive.


But that has nothing to do with what I said. I said its true that the amount of micro percentage-wise in WC3 is larger than in SC. I'm just correcting the false claim that SC doesn't have much micro at all. And I'm also pointing out that the micro moves are much harder to pull off in SC. For example pulling a wounded unit back is much easier in War3 than in SC because of the game mechanics (engine). I've seen some War3 people claiming some of the "wow" moments in SC micro are not at all impressive in War3 standards. They don't really seem to have a clue. Then there is also the matter of the units being much smaller and weaker. Not to mention that some tiny micro moves are just a waste of time in SC. It is often better to just move the whole group of marines right away, instead of wasting time with a single marine. You still have to click like hell though. War3 people think that SC can have macro while they have micro. But that's just not how it is.

On August 04 2010 12:13 Macavity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2010 10:44 holy_war wrote:
Thread after thread the shitstorm stirs. SC players just can't admit that WC3 is a skillful game that is vastly different compared to SC. Most if not all WC3 pros APM averages are above 200. Why cant we both coexist and just stop bashing eachother over and over?


You know what was really funny? It was the chatroom going bonkers during the Day[9] SC 2 Countdown Party when all these Warcraft 3 players being interviewed and saying, "Starcraft 2 is nice, graphically, but the game is much simpler/easier than Warcraft 3." I never saw so many heads exploding in a chatroom before.

If War3 was such a cakewalk, why didn't only BW players dominate it? Probably because it wasn't a cakewalk.

Anyway, I remember downloading many MadFrog replays and watching them. The guy is a very skilled player. This should be a fun showmatch, either way.


Why would only BW players dominate it even if it was a cakewalk? In early stages of War3, BW players did dominate more or less. Elky for example won some Korean league, and War3 wasn't even the only game he was playing at the time afaik. Many just moved back to BW pretty soon. A large number of War3 pros who stayed have a BW background too, so those who stuck with it, have performed quite well it seems. Anyway, you do have a point. We see mediocre BW players outplaying much better BW players. Clearly how and what skills transfer over is a complex matter.

With that being said, I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with Madfrog. Sure, this fanboyism is really annoying, but don't hate Madfrog for it.

This is indeed going to be awesome although if TLO has been practising I'm expecting him to win quite decisively.
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
FeeL_ThE_RusH
Profile Joined February 2010
Ireland227 Posts
August 04 2010 14:32 GMT
#83
Madfrog's been invited to the IEM in Cologne too, so happy he's playing SC2 was my favourite WC3 player for years.
#starcraft.ie on Quakenet, Irish SC2ers assemble
Rokit5
Profile Joined April 2010
236 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 14:40:40
August 04 2010 14:36 GMT
#84
YESSSSSSSS MADFROQ IS BACK! MY ALL TIME FAVORITE PRO GAMER!! He was the guy that got me into e-sport at all. Madfroq for teh win!! TLO is also totally awesome so TLO+Madfroq sounds like a blast
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 04 2010 14:38 GMT
#85
Madfrog was awesome at BW back in the day too
SpiritAshura
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1271 Posts
August 04 2010 14:42 GMT
#86
I like the mix, the ex-wc3 players are managing well in sc2 so far. should be a fun showmatch, would like to see madfrog win but i think TLO will win 2-1
Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
August 04 2010 14:42 GMT
#87
sounds like a pretty interesting series!
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
August 04 2010 14:48 GMT
#88
since this thread is about the awesome Madfrog a picture of him is in order for those who doesn't know who this god is:
[image loading]
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
FlashIsHigh
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States474 Posts
August 04 2010 14:51 GMT
#89
Damn Ive been noticing there are a lot of Madfrog fans in the world, but lets be serious TLO is gunna crush him
KT Flash// WhiteRa/Scarlett/Naniwa/MC/Huk/Nony
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
August 04 2010 14:59 GMT
#90
Wow stoked for this. Shoutout/high five/firm handshake to blizzard for orchestrating this.
Nereus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden9 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 15:07:30
August 04 2010 15:05 GMT
#91
in rts in general madfrog is one of the best players in the whole world, he's like boxer and nada, but he ended his career early, if he takes sc2 serious he can be the best. he's getting old though

TLO is good but its nothing to compared to madfrog, but TLO has been playing sc2 a lot more
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
August 04 2010 15:08 GMT
#92
On August 04 2010 11:38 MICHELLE wrote:
Best nonkorean? :S....
What about sky, grubby, tod, infi...... I wouldn't say he was the best nonkorean player.... But he was a very good UD for sure.

Sky was just on the rise and came to the proscene in late 05, infi was a noname back then. ToD wasn't as good and Grubby might be the only contender for being as skilled as Frog in Europe.

But there was one specific player who was better than Frog or Moon-> FoV. Maybe Sweet aswell.

Madfrog was a god, noone comes close to him. In terms of skill maybe, but Frog was like Backstreet Boys for wc3-nerds in Europe. He was the rolemodel for players like Grubby. He was more than just some skilled player.

And now he is back
Jameser
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden951 Posts
August 04 2010 15:56 GMT
#93
for the wc3 hatin BW players; I was a mediocre at best wc3 player, and am now I would say by comparison a much much better sc2 player

so if wc3 took no skills, I guess sc2 takes even less lol (clearly it doesn't)
Nereus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden9 Posts
August 04 2010 16:09 GMT
#94
SC2 is a very easy game compared to wc3 and bw, but thats mostly because wc3 and bw has been out for a long time
SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
August 04 2010 16:10 GMT
#95
On August 05 2010 00:56 Jameser wrote:
for the wc3 hatin BW players; I was a mediocre at best wc3 player, and am now I would say by comparison a much much better sc2 player

so if wc3 took no skills, I guess sc2 takes even less lol (clearly it doesn't)


Yeah, you're better because you've had prolonged exposure to the RTS genre, therefore, your skill has increased. It has nothing to do with one game being easier than the other.
xzidez
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden147 Posts
August 04 2010 16:20 GMT
#96
On August 05 2010 01:09 Nereus wrote:
SC2 is a very easy game compared to wc3 and bw, but thats mostly because wc3 and bw has been out for a long time



Why do people keep saying this bullshit? SC2 is just as easy for the opponent as it is for you, unless you are playing singleplayer.. Which makes it just as hard as any other game where both parts are playing at the same difficulty. If it is so easy, howcome I dont see you anywhere at the top?


If you are playing singleplayer I apologise, because then it would perhaps be correct to say its easy.
StormsInJuly
Profile Joined January 2009
Sweden165 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-04 16:22:57
August 04 2010 16:22 GMT
#97
On August 05 2010 01:20 xzidez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2010 01:09 Nereus wrote:
SC2 is a very easy game compared to wc3 and bw, but thats mostly because wc3 and bw has been out for a long time



Why do people keep saying this bullshit? SC2 is just as easy for the opponent as it is for you, unless you are playing singleplayer.. Which makes it just as hard as any other game where both parts are playing at the same difficulty. If it is so easy, howcome I dont see you anywhere at the top?


If you are playing singleplayer I apologise, because then it would perhaps be correct to say its easy.

He's right though, they're harder because they've been out for many years and player skill level has increased

In sc and war3 everybody on ladder has played every map a thousand times and has memorized every detail and every possible matchup, so it's a lot harder to get into
alphafuzard
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1610 Posts
August 04 2010 16:22 GMT
#98
all the madfrog support from these little peons is cute
but lets put hands together for team liquid's own TLO!!!
more weight
xzidez
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden147 Posts
August 04 2010 16:24 GMT
#99
On August 05 2010 01:22 StormsInJuly wrote:
He's right though, they're harder because they've been out for many years and player skill level has increased

In sc and war3 everybody on ladder has played every map a thousand times and has memorized every detail and every possible matchup, so it's a lot harder to get into


Ah you are right here. But the game itself is just as easy as it was when it was released .

Thanks for the correction tho!
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
August 04 2010 16:52 GMT
#100
On August 05 2010 00:05 Nereus wrote:
in rts in general madfrog is one of the best players in the whole world, he's like boxer and nada, but he ended his career early, if he takes sc2 serious he can be the best. he's getting old though

TLO is good but its nothing to compared to madfrog, but TLO has been playing sc2 a lot more


*facepalm*

No, he's not like Boxer or Nada.
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 27 28 29 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Escore
10:00
Week 4
escodisco2088
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 288
Lowko233
SC2Nice 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 65113
Mini 383
BeSt 308
actioN 245
Stork 230
EffOrt 218
Snow 196
Soma 182
Light 176
Larva 156
[ Show more ]
Soulkey 137
Hyun 103
ggaemo 98
Dewaltoss 96
hero 77
Pusan 64
JYJ 51
Shinee 48
Free 43
sSak 35
soO 33
Sexy 31
Barracks 25
scan(afreeca) 22
Shine 22
sorry 19
[sc1f]eonzerg 17
Sacsri 17
Movie 13
Noble 12
GoRush 7
Dota 2
XaKoH 484
Gorgc482
XcaliburYe217
ODPixel152
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss1435
allub244
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King103
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr23
Other Games
gofns13455
singsing1312
crisheroes288
Livibee58
B2W.Neo31
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream12137
Other Games
gamesdonequick560
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1274
• TFBlade907
• Stunt531
Upcoming Events
INu's Battles
2m
ByuN vs Zoun
ByuN vs Rogue
IntoTheiNu 17
RSL Revival
6h 2m
Big Brain Bouts
6h 2m
PiG vs DeMusliM
Reynor vs Bunny
Replay Cast
13h 2m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d
Classic vs SHIN
MaxPax vs Percival
herO vs Clem
ByuN vs Rogue
Ladder Legends
1d 4h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 4h
BSL
1d 8h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 23h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
[ Show More ]
Ladder Legends
2 days
BSL
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs hero
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Leta vs YSC
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Escore
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-22
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W4
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.