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TLO vs MadFrog showmatch - Page 5
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OTIX
Sweden491 Posts
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 04 2010 08:18 Dionyseus wrote: I don't see how micro in BW is harder to pull off than in WC3. WC3 has tons of spells and fewer units which makes it even more important to keep your units alive. But that has nothing to do with what I said. I said its true that the amount of micro percentage-wise in WC3 is larger than in SC. I'm just correcting the false claim that SC doesn't have much micro at all. And I'm also pointing out that the micro moves are much harder to pull off in SC. For example pulling a wounded unit back is much easier in War3 than in SC because of the game mechanics (engine). I've seen some War3 people claiming some of the "wow" moments in SC micro are not at all impressive in War3 standards. They don't really seem to have a clue. Then there is also the matter of the units being much smaller and weaker. Not to mention that some tiny micro moves are just a waste of time in SC. It is often better to just move the whole group of marines right away, instead of wasting time with a single marine. You still have to click like hell though. War3 people think that SC can have macro while they have micro. But that's just not how it is. On August 04 2010 12:13 Macavity wrote: You know what was really funny? It was the chatroom going bonkers during the Day[9] SC 2 Countdown Party when all these Warcraft 3 players being interviewed and saying, "Starcraft 2 is nice, graphically, but the game is much simpler/easier than Warcraft 3." I never saw so many heads exploding in a chatroom before. If War3 was such a cakewalk, why didn't only BW players dominate it? Probably because it wasn't a cakewalk. Anyway, I remember downloading many MadFrog replays and watching them. The guy is a very skilled player. This should be a fun showmatch, either way. Why would only BW players dominate it even if it was a cakewalk? In early stages of War3, BW players did dominate more or less. Elky for example won some Korean league, and War3 wasn't even the only game he was playing at the time afaik. Many just moved back to BW pretty soon. A large number of War3 pros who stayed have a BW background too, so those who stuck with it, have performed quite well it seems. Anyway, you do have a point. We see mediocre BW players outplaying much better BW players. Clearly how and what skills transfer over is a complex matter. With that being said, I don't understand why anyone would have a problem with Madfrog. Sure, this fanboyism is really annoying, but don't hate Madfrog for it. This is indeed going to be awesome although if TLO has been practising I'm expecting him to win quite decisively. | ||
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Ireland227 Posts
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South Africa35471 Posts
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United States1271 Posts
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Canada1420 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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FlashIsHigh
United States474 Posts
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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Nereus
Sweden9 Posts
TLO is good but its nothing to compared to madfrog, but TLO has been playing sc2 a lot more | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On August 04 2010 11:38 MICHELLE wrote: Best nonkorean? :S.... What about sky, grubby, tod, infi...... I wouldn't say he was the best nonkorean player.... But he was a very good UD for sure. Sky was just on the rise and came to the proscene in late 05, infi was a noname back then. ToD wasn't as good and Grubby might be the only contender for being as skilled as Frog in Europe. But there was one specific player who was better than Frog or Moon-> FoV. Maybe Sweet aswell. Madfrog was a god, noone comes close to him. In terms of skill maybe, but Frog was like Backstreet Boys for wc3-nerds in Europe. He was the rolemodel for players like Grubby. He was more than just some skilled player. And now he is back  | ||
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Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
so if wc3 took no skills, I guess sc2 takes even less lol (clearly it doesn't) | ||
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Nereus
Sweden9 Posts
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SolHeiM
Sweden1264 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:56 Jameser wrote: for the wc3 hatin BW players; I was a mediocre at best wc3 player, and am now I would say by comparison a much much better sc2 player so if wc3 took no skills, I guess sc2 takes even less lol (clearly it doesn't) Yeah, you're better because you've had prolonged exposure to the RTS genre, therefore, your skill has increased. It has nothing to do with one game being easier than the other. | ||
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xzidez
Sweden147 Posts
On August 05 2010 01:09 Nereus wrote: SC2 is a very easy game compared to wc3 and bw, but thats mostly because wc3 and bw has been out for a long time Why do people keep saying this bullshit? SC2 is just as easy for the opponent as it is for you, unless you are playing singleplayer.. Which makes it just as hard as any other game where both parts are playing at the same difficulty. If it is so easy, howcome I dont see you anywhere at the top? If you are playing singleplayer I apologise, because then it would perhaps be correct to say its easy. | ||
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StormsInJuly
Sweden165 Posts
On August 05 2010 01:20 xzidez wrote: Why do people keep saying this bullshit? SC2 is just as easy for the opponent as it is for you, unless you are playing singleplayer.. Which makes it just as hard as any other game where both parts are playing at the same difficulty. If it is so easy, howcome I dont see you anywhere at the top? If you are playing singleplayer I apologise, because then it would perhaps be correct to say its easy. He's right though, they're harder because they've been out for many years and player skill level has increased In sc and war3 everybody on ladder has played every map a thousand times and has memorized every detail and every possible matchup, so it's a lot harder to get into | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
but lets put hands together for team liquid's own TLO!!! | ||
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xzidez
Sweden147 Posts
On August 05 2010 01:22 StormsInJuly wrote: He's right though, they're harder because they've been out for many years and player skill level has increased In sc and war3 everybody on ladder has played every map a thousand times and has memorized every detail and every possible matchup, so it's a lot harder to get into Ah you are right here. But the game itself is just as easy as it was when it was released .Thanks for the correction tho! | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On August 05 2010 00:05 Nereus wrote: in rts in general madfrog is one of the best players in the whole world, he's like boxer and nada, but he ended his career early, if he takes sc2 serious he can be the best. he's getting old though TLO is good but its nothing to compared to madfrog, but TLO has been playing sc2 a lot more *facepalm* No, he's not like Boxer or Nada. | ||
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