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tofucake
Hyrule19053 Posts
On August 21 2010 21:50 Grimjim wrote: This x 100. Well said. 1. 512 people monitored by 2 (or 4, whatever) is insane. Get more volunteers. 2. That many games cannot be physically played and updated in one day, let alone at the latest hours of night. This should have been done with one round being a few days, that way you could play a game, send in replay, get your next opponent. You said you did so to avoid conflict with any other tournaments, but I don't see any going on this weekend. 3. Having check-ins for a 512 person tournament is just silly. Just tell people to play their games. They knew weeks in advance where to be, and if they don't show, their opponent gets a by. Simple as that. Of course, this post might be claimed to be too harsh and white knights will simply flame me. 1. Quite a few 512 man tournaments are run by a single person (ie, GosuCoaching weekly by Xeris). 2. Yes they can. The problem was BinaryBeast kept crashing, and we couldn't actually update anything. 3. More than 200 people were no shows. There are people in Round 6 already simply because entire groups failed to show up. Do you know how much of a headache that is? | ||
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United States7542 Posts
I get why it took so long to fill out the brackets, but even so it was just torture. I don't blame you guys so much (though you probably should have thought through the features of your bracket software a little bit more), it's just one of those things that happen. I tried to stick it out for the tournament, but it just didn't work out. I played my first game right at 11:00-11:20 EDT and it wasn't until 2:00am EDT when my 2nd round was updated because I was one of the last sets of people updated for round 1. By then my opponent had literally fallen asleep or given up (I had talked to him earlier, but we decided to wait to make sure the brackets were done correctly). At about 3:00 EDT or so when there was talk about postponing the tournament I just had to give up. I would have liked to stay on, but staying on for more hours just to see a tournament delayed would have been really hard for me. Unfortunately it looks like the tournament wasn't postponed and now I'm DQed =/ oh well. Anyways for the future I'd recommend.... a) no one trying to cast games should be updating brackets or recording wins/losses. b) don't use binary beast (obviously) c) split the bracket up into 4 128 man brackets. This way you can divide up the work easier and it'll be easier for people to find names or keep track of the tournament. I suppose if the bracket system is better it wouldn't really matter, but I can see how it could help in a case like this. d) Stay positive, I know it's hard when things are going well, but if you stay upbeat so will more of the tournament crowd. e) Offer a 'break' for people with an estimated time. One of the hard parts was that you weren't sure when the brackets would be updated and you didn't want to go afk or do something else for risk of getting DQed. If you had maybe just said, "Ok look, come back at 1:30 EDT and play your 2nd round games and 1:45 EDT noshow is a DQ" then it would have been more bearable for people. f) Don't publicly discuss postponement. I wouldn't be surprised if you lost a lot of people right then and there. I'm not saying it would have been a bad idea, but once you bring it up you're going to lose a lot of people who are willing to hedge their bets on the postponement happening. Even so, thanks for running the tournament! It's obviously not easy, so I still appreciate the effort. It's also not the worst run SC2 tournament I've participated in. | ||
Bio
Canada185 Posts
Please send me a PM saying if I may show up at around 11:15- 11:20 Thanks, Bio | ||
StormWeapon
United States159 Posts
It was a bit inconvenient to hang around for 2+ hours to play a couple games. with more people you'd have a smoother run imo Since I have no knowledge of the bracket systems available I'll take Tesla's word on how shitty binarybeast was. I'm of the opinion that it can be done in 2 or maybe 3 days like planned. 1 thing I thought was a bad idea: Commentate a first round match since organizing the first round and doing results will be the most busy with many hiccups. Unless you have the woman/man power to run everything behind the scenes it's just slowing things down. I am very optimistic you have learned som things and will Improvise, Adapt, Overcome and the next tournament will run much smoother (and less of a headache for you). Sorry if the grammar sucks or Im rambling, I'm hammered and the screen is getting hazy. | ||
Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
Just 10 minutes of testing would've saved hours of suffering later. -_- | ||
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jackknight
United States51 Posts
On August 22 2010 02:45 ICCup.Tesla wrote: I will read and take into consideration all the feedback you have all given. Floop - I would have loved to do that but as what was said last night, Cat handled the brackets and said we should do the binary beast. So again, my apologies. IMO you should reword this statement... it could lead to future conflict but that my opinion. | ||
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Canada1842 Posts
edit: for my round 4 it says noshow so do i get an advance to r5? edit: if i play attero and you are reading this, i will be back tonight | ||
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United States3161 Posts
On August 21 2010 23:31 tofucake wrote: 1. Quite a few 512 man tournaments are run by a single person (ie, GosuCoaching weekly by Xeris). Xeris is a freak of nature, expecting anyone to live up to the same level of organizing as him is insane. | ||
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Catreina
United States304 Posts
I need to apologize to everyone who went through the hell that was day one of the first Minerva tournament, and alleviate your concerns that this is "how it was meant to be" or how it will be in the future. There were mistakes made, and there is no better teacher than experience. With that in mind, day 2 is upon us, things are more streamlined for the final day of the tournament, and future tournaments will bring this experience with them so that we can try to make sure the day 1 hell does not repeat. I would find it very odd if people were not unhappy with how day 1 went. Brackets updated excruciatingly slowly, people were stuck with round 1 matches for 4+ hours, and the stream turned into a live feed of the brackets being updated. I would have been more than upset if I was a player. Believe me, we understand the issues here. All I can say is that tonight, and in the future, our main goal is to make sure the tournament is run more efficiently and provides more entertainment and fun for all involved. | ||
Doriboi
United States181 Posts
On August 22 2010 11:12 Catreina wrote: I want to chime in here and say that yes, day 1 was torturous for everyone, players, organizers, volunteers, viewers, et al. I need to apologize to everyone who went through the hell that was day one of the first Minerva tournament, and alleviate your concerns that this is "how it was meant to be" or how it will be in the future. There were mistakes made, and there is no better teacher than experience. With that in mind, day 2 is upon us, things are more streamlined for the final day of the tournament, and future tournaments will bring this experience with them so that we can try to make sure the day 1 hell does not repeat. I would find it very odd if people were not unhappy with how day 1 went. Brackets updated excruciatingly slowly, people were stuck with round 1 matches for 4+ hours, and the stream turned into a live feed of the brackets being updated. I would have been more than upset if I was a player. Believe me, we understand the issues here. All I can say is that tonight, and in the future, our main goal is to make sure the tournament is run more efficiently and provides more entertainment and fun for all involved. Perhaps start smaller? 32 players as a test run then continue to expand as the logistics become more efficient? The prize pool will still recruit great players, but like you mentioned, the logistics have to be better. | ||
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On August 22 2010 04:19 superbabosheki wrote: Wern't we suppose to finish round 4 before 11 a.m today? Opponent never logged on and I have to go to work from 3-10 T_T And I got dq'ed even though I got back by 8 p.m T_T | ||
thesighter
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MoonMaster
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CheAse
Canada919 Posts
I feel like there is too much negativity | ||
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