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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
July 27 2010 21:05 GMT
#3481
The Games between IntoTheRainbow and Tester were all an amazing display of balance.

IdrA's games were just inspiring. I still think Zerg is a little behind, but it was a true display of their abilites.

Best tourny evar!
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
leandroqm
Profile Joined June 2008
Netherlands874 Posts
July 27 2010 21:07 GMT
#3482
Want the VODs so baaaaaaaaaaaad!
Had to sleep before the finals, it was 5am here....
What are you tinkering about?
TheTeamLiquidTiger
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States627 Posts
July 27 2010 21:07 GMT
#3483
cmon VODS everything sounded amazing!
SlayerS_BoxeR FTW ///// Long live the Emperor
Boxhead
Profile Joined April 2010
United States13 Posts
July 27 2010 21:20 GMT
#3484
Yeah VODs please had to sleep early because of work so wasn't able to watch the live Stream
Not Korean, and I definitely do not play like I am either.
caldazar
Profile Joined April 2010
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-27 21:27:09
July 27 2010 21:26 GMT
#3485
Balancing at the highest skill levels should be the number one priority. I don't think anyone is disputing that.

Balancing at lower skill levels as well as the highest skill levels is a noble goal. If it were possible, I think everyone would be in favor of it. But except for very rough approximations, I think it is not possible.

The reason is that there is no one set of characteristics that embodies "low level players". Players are low-level because of flaws in their game, and different people may have different flaws. A group of newbies who are passable at basic macro (building workers, units constantly) but A-move everywhere will have a different opinion on what is overpowered than a group of other newbies who are good at microing small numbers of units but bad at remembering to build.

With a game as popular as SC2, you'll see newbies coming from all sorts of different communities, so your problem of trying to balance the game among two groups ("experts" and "casuals") becomes a problem of balancing the game among a huge number of different groups. The only way to really do that is to make the game more homogenous. You're much better off providing tools to help bad players become good, which is what Blizzard has done.

There is one situation you do want to avoid: where a strat is braindead-easy to execute, but the counter to it requires an order of magnitude more skill. If, for example, there is a cheese which takes Bronze-level skill to execute, but Diamond-level skill to counter, that's a huge hill for new players to climb before they reach the stage where the game is balanced. Having a counter slightly harder than the strategy is fine- it encourages players to get better, but if a player needs to play 100 games before they can expect to beat a cheese, they'll probably quit ladder and start playing BGH and mods instead. That creates a less robust ecosystem in the first place.

Overall though, I think that scenario is relatively rare, and that Blizzard did a good job addressing them in the Beta.
Jermstuddog
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2231 Posts
July 27 2010 21:53 GMT
#3486
On July 28 2010 00:28 Chill wrote:
The entire thing is just wrong. The fact that you cite it and then get it wrong just compounds my frustration. If Terran has no unit IN THE GAME to counter another unit IN THE GAME then there is no metagaming.


Was my example of the Battlecruiser not a valid unit counter? I thought that was a perfect example of meta-gaming...
As it turns out, marines don't actually cost any money -Jinro
NerO
Profile Joined February 2003
United States2071 Posts
July 27 2010 22:11 GMT
#3487
VODs plz

User was warned for this post
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
July 27 2010 22:12 GMT
#3488
The feeling i got when anticipating the last battle was just indescribable.

Idra killed at lot of old ghosts in the last five matches.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
July 27 2010 22:25 GMT
#3489
Wow, great show , very worthy of my 12 hours and sleep deficit ^^ Perfectly organised and great games too ... I hope there were some potential sponsors watching, this stuff is gold!
I think esports is pretty nice.
NerO
Profile Joined February 2003
United States2071 Posts
July 27 2010 22:38 GMT
#3490
we're the games played live or replays?
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-27 22:45:01
July 27 2010 22:44 GMT
#3491
they were replays.

edit: And I am patiently waiting for the vods to come out. I watched them live but they were just soo good I have to watch them again
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 27 2010 22:46 GMT
#3492
This was a great event. Thanks. Tester vs ITR = highlight series of the tournament.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Torture
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada221 Posts
July 27 2010 22:47 GMT
#3493
VODS! Watched Tester vs IntotheRainbow, which was epic, and then went to bed before the finals. VODS!
chocopan
Profile Joined April 2010
Japan986 Posts
July 27 2010 23:40 GMT
#3494
Is it considered poor form to just repeat previous posts, largely pointlessly? I guess so. I'm just desperate to see semis/finals VODs. I'm a little concerned the tech elves are too busy spamming SC2 games to sate the slavering masses.

VODs pretty please~~.
Dance those ultras
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
July 28 2010 00:47 GMT
#3495
On July 28 2010 02:56 Malgrif wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2010 02:45 Unfurl wrote:
Isnt it funny that the only 2 maps Tester took off of idra were from Double pylon wall-in? How many of those am i going to come accross in ladder lmao

yeah lol, i think in game 4 idra figured out a way to beat it, but he didn't micro his units properly if he didn't engage on the wide choke where collosus could easily abuse their range he would of had it.

Listening to his interview it sounds like it was more pyschological damage than anything else. He "thought" he was behind and this affected him.
As it happened Tester was worried about a ling counter and so had overcompensated with defense. I don't think Tester's mid game push was particularly big he just microed it beautifully and Idra had no anti-collosus units.

My prediction is that Zergs will start getting Hive a lot faster, like they did in ZvT BW.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Baksteen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands438 Posts
July 28 2010 00:48 GMT
#3496
On July 28 2010 08:40 chocopan wrote:
Is it considered poor form to just repeat previous posts, largely pointlessly? I guess so. I'm just desperate to see semis/finals VODs. I'm a little concerned the tech elves are too busy spamming SC2 games to sate the slavering masses.

VODs pretty please~~.


Even if it is im all about vods :p

Post the sick games mr plott! <3
Derp Derp Derp
Syner
Profile Joined May 2010
19 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-28 04:22:46
July 28 2010 01:26 GMT
#3497
need vods

User was warned for this post
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
July 28 2010 01:47 GMT
#3498
I have checked this thread about 15 times now hoping for vods. Day, I think you need to drink some bear semen and upload some awesomeness!
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
mgj
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
191 Posts
July 28 2010 01:54 GMT
#3499
On July 28 2010 10:47 LaughingTulkas wrote:
I have checked this thread about 15 times now hoping for vods. Day, I think you need to drink some bear semen and upload some awesomeness!


15 times? Beginner. Come back when you have broken your F5 key.

Seriously tho, im not expecting the finals VOD for a while. It will take him some time to upload/encode (as usual).
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
July 28 2010 02:03 GMT
#3500
On July 28 2010 10:54 mgj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2010 10:47 LaughingTulkas wrote:
I have checked this thread about 15 times now hoping for vods. Day, I think you need to drink some bear semen and upload some awesomeness!


15 times? Beginner. Come back when you have broken your F5 key.

Seriously tho, im not expecting the finals VOD for a while. It will take him some time to upload/encode (as usual).


lol. Excuse me for giving a realistic estimate (: (: (:
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
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