EPTRazer King of the Beta by Day[9] - Page 174
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ArtemisKnives
United States210 Posts
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brain_
United States812 Posts
Exactly the matchup I wanted, exactly the outcome I wanted, and better entertainment than I could have hoped for. Epic. | ||
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Demarini
United States151 Posts
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
On July 28 2010 02:01 ta2 wrote: Anyone saying Zerg is not UP because IdrA won - that is an extremely weak argument. The only thing that we can deduce from this victory, is that if IdrA and Tester are very close to each other in skill level, ZvT is fairly balanced. Don't forget Tester 2-0'd IdrA in the group stage, so the total result is actually 4-3 to Tester. Really you can't possibly have any credibility in saying that this one match which was 3-2 (the closest you can possibly get in a best of 5) means that Z is not UP. What I personally believe, is that at a very high level of skill ZvT is quite well balanced or close to being balanced. At the very least, it is more balanced than it is between lower quality players. This should not mean that Z shouldn't be improved or balanced better against other races. Even on these forums, a handful at most, are better or equal to IdrA in skill. The VAST majority of people playing this game are of a lower skill. I would say perhaps that ZvT is way imbalanced all the way up to Diamond level players. Obviously that means something is wrong, you shouldn't cut out a third of the game to the vast majority of players. I bet most people playing will NEVER reach Diamond. The developers just need to find some ways of improving Z for less-skilled players, or nerfing Terran for less-skilled players, without affecting high-level play. No... just no. That is such a WoW mentality of entitlement when it comes to balance. Just because one sucks at the game doesn't mean the game needs to be balanced around them. Only balance with the highest skill level in mind (that way if you lose, it's your own fault, not because the game is imbalanced). | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On July 28 2010 03:32 Demarini wrote: Yea it's too bad IdrA is a dick. He gg'd every game, showed no BM in this tournament..whats your problem yo? | ||
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eivind
111 Posts
On July 28 2010 03:37 Entropic wrote: No... just no. That is such a WoW mentality of entitlement when it comes to balance. Just because one sucks at the game doesn't mean the game needs to be balanced around them. Only balance with the highest skill level in mind (that way if you lose, it's your own fault, not because the game is imbalanced). That is a very strange mentality. "I dont want balance for all skill levels even though it doesnt affect the high skill players"... Or didnt you read the quoted post? Try to convince Blizzard that the game they want to sell to millions should balanced for 100ish people that will provide 0.01% of the income.. Megalisk: You can behave badly even though you manage to say gg a few games. He might refer to other games.. | ||
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brain_
United States812 Posts
On July 28 2010 03:32 Demarini wrote: Yea it's too bad IdrA is a dick. He really wasn't. He was cool in the interview, he only raged once (that I can remember, I think it was after a failed bust on Steppes, mighta been his first series in KOTB) without gg in the entire tournament, he even gg'd after the NP nerf lost him that game vs TLO. And his play was totally different. He was responsive and opened a bunch of different ways, instead of raging when the FE got blocked. He went Mutas multiple times, Baneling busts, hell, he even went 1-base Hydra. He totally mixed it up and broke all the stereotypes, and he played fucking awesome (so did Tester). I am so glad that I got to see those matches in person with a live crowd. Everyone went nuts when the Lings got the Robo Support Bay :D Stomping Force Fields with Ultras.... Holy fucking shit :D | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
On a partially related side note: FU@amazon.de, these guys obviously haven't understood the concept of preordering. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On July 28 2010 03:44 Megalisk wrote: He gg'd every game, showed no BM in this tournament..whats your problem yo? obviously its a problem. hes idra. i mean, whats the best moment of idra's games? when he steam roll his opponent with his 200/200? or when he BM before rage quit? | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
Everything else was just a blur. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On July 28 2010 03:44 eivind wrote: That is a very strange mentality. "I dont want balance for all skill levels even though it doesnt affect the high skill players"... Or didnt you read the quoted post? Try to convince Blizzard that the game they want to sell to millions should balanced for 100ish people that will provide 0.01% of the income.. Megalisk: You can behave badly even though you manage to say gg a few games. He might refer to other games.. You have no idea what you're talking about it seems. If the game is balanced at the highest level of play then the game is balanced. Whether it trickles down or not is pretty much a non issue and nobody actually cares. You gear to balance the game to the highest level possible because that's really the only point where balance TRULY comes into play. If the game is balanced when played at it's best potential the game is balanced....players not reaching that potential is not the fault of the game. | ||
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ArtemisKnives
United States210 Posts
On July 28 2010 03:44 eivind wrote: That is a very strange mentality. "I dont want balance for all skill levels even though it doesnt affect the high skill players"... Or didnt you read the quoted post? Try to convince Blizzard that the game they want to sell to millions should balanced for 100ish people that will provide 0.01% of the income.. Ummm. Are you on drugs? Explain how to balance the game for "all skill levels" without releasing multiple versions? Haha you are ridiculous. The game should be balanced around the highest skill levels so that as you improve, you understand the game. If the game was balanced around silver or gold league play, you realize tournaments would be made up of whatever the strongest race is in the pro's hands and only that race. How absurd. | ||
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agleed.agleed
Germany110 Posts
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On July 28 2010 04:04 Frozne wrote: Ummm. Are you on drugs? Explain how to balance the game for "all skill levels" without releasing multiple versions? Haha you are ridiculous. The game should be balanced around the highest skill levels so that as you improve, you understand the game. If the game was balanced around silver or gold league play, you realize tournaments would be made up of whatever the strongest race is in the pro's hands and only that race. How absurd. First of all, I mostly agree with the idea that the game should only be balanced for the highest skill level, but I think considerations should be made for realistic high-level game play. For example, for someone with perfect control, and I mean literally perfect control (he only exists in theory), void ray phasing is OP, in practice it's not OP since it requires a lot of skill, but for the highest level of skill (theoretical highest), it's too strong. Tank anti-overkill logic isn't necessary "at the highest level of skill" because people can just individually control their tanks (so we should get rid of tank overkill 100% to "de-noobify" the game). I think you can do things on occasion which don't change the game on the highest level, but affect the ability of lower rated players with similar levels of control to battle. The key being that the change to "balance" at a lower level should have no affect on balance at a high level. The problem is how do you know if two players are similarly skilled at a low level? The way we measure this is by their results and their results are affected by balance. I don't think it's realistic to ever expect the game to be "balanced" whatever that means, but it is important that in a sense that there is a feeling of performance in a game, the player who plays better overall should win in a game most of the time. | ||
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AnodyneSea
Jamaica757 Posts
On July 28 2010 03:44 Megalisk wrote: He gg'd every game, showed no BM in this tournament..whats your problem yo? no he didn't go watch some of the group stage games... | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
On July 28 2010 04:42 jamaZn wrote: no he didn't go watch some of the group stage games... I remember all the group stage games since there weren't many. The only game he didn't GG when he lost was when Huk 9gated him or whatever. | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
On July 28 2010 05:12 kNyTTyM wrote: I remember all the group stage games since there weren't many. The only game he didn't GG when he lost was when Huk 9gated him or whatever. Making 9gates on 1 base is a good skill toi have. | ||
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Darkn3ss
United States717 Posts
On July 28 2010 03:44 Megalisk wrote: He gg'd every game, showed no BM in this tournament..whats your problem yo? Yeah, it's too bad he only has 11 posts and probably has no IdeA who IdrA was before SC2 beta... I love how all these new booties come around and then pretend they know everything just because they heard another idiot say something out of his ass... If IdrA was such a dick, etc... he wouldn't be invited to all of these tournaments, no matter how good he is... Yes, he rages sometimes... yes, he BM's sometimes... but who doesn't? I get BM'd every day on the ladder and I'm pretty sure every progamer BM'd/left without GG at least ONCE in their life! ...just get your facts straight! Anyway... epic games from IdrA. I LOL at everyone who was so convinced Tester was going to 3-0 him. Tester had to cheese to steal 2 wins! Go figure... XD | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On July 28 2010 05:41 Darkn3ss wrote: Anyway... epic games from IdrA. I LOL at everyone who was so convinced Tester was going to 3-0 him. Tester had to cheese to steal 2 wins! Go figure... XD Well said. I hope Idra (or zergs in general) can find an answer to this cheese though, it's so lame. (btw I wonder if terran can do the same.. wall the ramp with Barracks+Supply depot, then some more buildings to make it baneling proof. Just make your army at his front door.) Oh and another thing I noted.. whether it was vs Terran or Protoss, whenever Ultras entered the field, the game turned into a one-sided rape. I guess terrans on their part really have to do the TLO thing and go for BCs. Ofcourse zerg has counters to that, but any ground army will just get obliterated by ultras. | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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