EPTRazer King of the Beta by Day[9] - Page 172
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phungus420
United States179 Posts
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MuTT
United States398 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On July 27 2010 19:50 nam nam wrote: They do need it. Zerg tier 3 is strong but I'd rather sacrifice that for more viable mid game strategies. Or did you miss how Tester stomped Idra when he didn't have time to tech up? ZvP has a half tier kind of system in it with alternating control. kind of like ZvT in BW. toss > Zerg tier one Zerg counters in tier 1.5 toss counters that tier 1.5/2 Zerg counters that tier 2 toss counters that tier 2.5 Zerg counters that tier 3 It's all really up to what point in the game things are. unfortunately for zerg most of the games are played and ended before tier 3 arrives. so zerg either has to fast tech to 3 or outlast with a vastly inferior army. or try to stall the game at tier 2. | ||
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groms
Canada1017 Posts
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RandomBS
United States130 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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ionlyplayPROtoss
Canada573 Posts
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Izzachar
Sweden285 Posts
Give VODS!"!!!! I have sc2 installed and ready but I rather watch the finals of this tourney then start playing! Big ups to day9 and razer for this tourney and WP all participants. | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On July 27 2010 21:28 RandomBS wrote: Maybe the Zerg is UP talk will die down now that Idra beat TWO terrans including a korean to win it all. IdrA definitely showed some stylish standing up to those early Thors, I cannot argue with that. The thing that bugs me about the situation though is it was so razor thin at that 8-10 minute point, IdrA just manages to edge out those 6 or so extra roaches he needs to make it through while still maintaining his drone pumping. So I think that particular complaint is still valid because it doesn't take pro skills to push out 3 thors ASAP, but it does take pro game sense to pump your army up just enough to deal with that first big push while also pumping your econ enough to have an actual game afterwards. What is a weak/defensive time for IdrA is a GG for the 99% of the rest of Z players. I didn't think he could pull it off but he did, good game IdrA. | ||
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helloshangjr
United States7 Posts
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On July 27 2010 22:12 Jermstuddog wrote: I would also like to point to the end-game of his to qxc builds. It seems that while Z has a very rough time getting to Tier 3, IdrA really showed that the Terran meta-game has no answer to Ultralisks at this time, or at least qxc didn't. Qxc didn't attempt to go air or anything, and IdrA just tore straight through him every time once he got settled into T3 unit production and late game macro. I can start to understand why Chill hates it so much when people use this word wrong. | ||
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Juaks
United States384 Posts
I am glad IdrA took the tournament because he has worked very hard and I wanted him to show Zergs are not that UP as everybody seems to think. I am eager to watch the games tonight. Congrats IdrA!! | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
 because Day9's archive seems unreachable for me | ||
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ChickenLips
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Apolo
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
On July 27 2010 22:19 Jayme wrote: I can start to understand why Chill hates it so much when people use this word wrong. Wikipedia - Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself. In simple terms, using out-of-game information, or resources, to affect one's in-game decisions. There is a special set of moves in chess which allows a player to win in four moves. Competitor A has been watching Competitor B play chess, and the past five games in a row Competitor B has attempted to use this four-move win. When Competitor A sits down to play against Competitor B, Competitor A will be metagaming if he/she plays in a way that will easily thwart the four-move checkmate before Competitor B makes it obvious that this is what he/she is doing. A more complex version of this was used by Derren Brown in episode 4 of "Trick of the Mind", where he simultaneously 'beat' a selection of grand masters by acting as a proxy, playing them against each other. Looking at the excerpt above, I think I'm fairly correct in the use of it. Qxc knew IdrA would be going Ultralisks, IdrA knew Qxc knew. What happened? Qxc hunkered down and braced for impact once the Cavern went up, he did nothing to force him away. Where is my use of the term incorrect? | ||
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Welmu
Finland3295 Posts
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GoDannY
Germany442 Posts
Also loved Tester vs IntoTheRainbow - these where intense as well! Never though Tester could still make it but wow, impressive play! Thanks Day9 for all your work around this event - due to time zone I only managed to watch small episodes of it live but what I saw made me smile brightly - thanks so much! | ||
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Foooky
Australia205 Posts
On July 27 2010 22:53 Jermstuddog wrote: Wikipedia - Metagaming is a broad term usually used to define any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game. Another definition refers to the game universe outside of the game itself. In simple terms, using out-of-game information, or resources, to affect one's in-game decisions. There is a special set of moves in chess which allows a player to win in four moves. Competitor A has been watching Competitor B play chess, and the past five games in a row Competitor B has attempted to use this four-move win. When Competitor A sits down to play against Competitor B, Competitor A will be metagaming if he/she plays in a way that will easily thwart the four-move checkmate before Competitor B makes it obvious that this is what he/she is doing. A more complex version of this was used by Derren Brown in episode 4 of "Trick of the Mind", where he simultaneously 'beat' a selection of grand masters by acting as a proxy, playing them against each other. Looking at the excerpt above, I think I'm fairly correct in the use of it. Qxc knew IdrA would be going Ultralisks, IdrA knew Qxc knew. What happened? Qxc hunkered down and braced for impact once the Cavern went up, he did nothing to force him away. Where is my use of the term incorrect? It seems wrong because I believe you did not use the word properly. You would use that term to describe how he counters Idra's ultralisks before he even shows signs of building them but clearly he did not. That is not a fault of QXC's META-game... its of his 'GAME' or 'strategy' in general not being able to deal with Idra. | ||
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