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Hello fellow Zergs! I am a GM Zerg on EU / NA and made my own opener called the 3 Roach Opener.
In order to showcase my build I made 4 Videos for you to give you an indepth look at the build.
Videos
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I would be happy if you guys would check out the Videos and gave me some Feedback!
The Buildorder:
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17 Pool
18 Hatch
17 Gas
2 More Drones directly to the gas -> don't fill up gas
18 Roach Warren -> Use 1 drone from the Gas
17/22 2 Lings -> use them to harrass your oppoent
18/22 1 Queen --> use it to defend against the reaper
20/22 2 more drones straight to the gas
@First Queen done -> Start another Queen in the Main
@Roachwarren done 2 Roaches in the Main, 1 Roach in the Natural
@Natural done build a queen at the natural
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Use the 3 Roaches to harrass your opponent. If you scout mass Reaper or proxy Rax keep them at home otherwise push across the map and try to do damage.
@100 Gas / 3:05 start Lair + 1 Gas
@Lair Spire + 2 more gas
@4:10 Spores if needed / 2 More Queens if needed / 3rd base
@Spire 8 mutas / 2 evo chamber for +1 ranged / armor
@Evo chambers Roach Speed + (Optional) Hydra Den
Drone up 3 bases and kill the Terran!
Feel free to add Ravagers, Corruptors, Hydras as you need them
The Goal
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The build is save versus Early Aggression, allows a comfortable Mutalisk transition and pressures the Terran in the early mid game.
The Early Queen deals with the Reaper at home.
The 2 Lings try to delay the CC.
The 3 Roaches try to delay mining at the Natural for as long as possible.
The Mutalisks deal with Drop / Tank / Liberator / Banshee Harrass
The Roach Ravager (Corruptor Hydra) transition closes out the game.
I will gladly answer all your questions! 
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First off you are an amazing player and I watch every game on Falcon Paladin, awesome to see you post here.
Second, I am struggling big time with ZvP even though it's the match where Zerg supposedly can roll over any PRotoss player who isn't twice a good as his opponent.
How do you combat the heavy Immortal Adept Phoenix compositions? I'm utterly lost regarding how to engage it, what benchmarks I should be hitting with my tech/production/expansions, and the Zerg help thread hasn't been updated since release.
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On April 10 2016 03:33 Beelzebub1 wrote:
First off you are an amazing player and I watch every game on Falcon Paladin, awesome to see you post here.
Second, I am struggling big time with ZvP even though it's the match where Zerg supposedly can roll over any PRotoss player who isn't twice a good as his opponent.
How do you combat the heavy Immortal Adept Phoenix compositions? I'm utterly lost regarding how to engage it, what benchmarks I should be hitting with my tech/production/expansions, and the Zerg help thread hasn't been updated since release.
Kinda offtopic but I think you should watch Solar vs Stats and Dark vs Stats from SSL they play Ling Hydra Bane and / or Ling Bane Broodlord.
Those two compositions work best for me. I'll do a Guide on them once I feel more comfortable with them.
Also thanks for the feedback
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On April 10 2016 03:45 Railgan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2016 03:33 Beelzebub1 wrote:
First off you are an amazing player and I watch every game on Falcon Paladin, awesome to see you post here.
Second, I am struggling big time with ZvP even though it's the match where Zerg supposedly can roll over any PRotoss player who isn't twice a good as his opponent.
How do you combat the heavy Immortal Adept Phoenix compositions? I'm utterly lost regarding how to engage it, what benchmarks I should be hitting with my tech/production/expansions, and the Zerg help thread hasn't been updated since release. Kinda offtopic but I think you should watch Solar vs Stats and Dark vs Stats from SSL they play Ling Hydra Bane and / or Ling Bane Broodlord. Those two compositions work best for me. I'll do a Guide on them once I feel more comfortable with them. Also thanks for the feedback
Definitely off topic, but I was literally going to click on the Zerg help thread when I saw this post and was stoked to see it was you of all players posting :D
The ZvT build on the topic looks fantastic, definitely going to be incorporating this into my play. I feel like putting some type of aggression on the Terran in LOTV is the right thing to do in the current meta and I've been playing a very passive and defensive style leading to...less then stellar results.
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How do you counter it as terran?
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On April 10 2016 06:13 bbqs wrote:
How do you counter it as terran?
Instant reactor no Reaper mass marine or a Marauder + Bunker shit it down completly.
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It is similar but the follow up is a macro game and not an all in.
The goal of that build is to go gas first and hit a heavy timing to bust the terran and finish the game.
The goal of my build is to have a macro orientated opener that pressures the terran and makes him guess what to do.
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I like the build and presentation, but isn't it incredibly reliant on the Terran not scouting?
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On April 10 2016 20:44 KeksX wrote:
I like the build and presentation, but isn't it incredibly reliant on the Terran not scouting?
If you watch the games the terran did scout and it still works.
A Huge amoung of the reaction is open to interpretation.
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True, I just watched the games. Really scrappy ones too showing how it plays out when things go wrong.
Will try it out! Thanks for the guide!
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I think it's a strong build all zerg should have in their pocket to do once in a bo3  Isn't easy to punish, neither to scout and react without delaying your build (as terran). Counters all early aggressive builds from Ts (4 rax proxy, 3 rax reaper, ...) so it's great!
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Now that I've tried this build a few times myself, this is something I will definitely do every once in a while. I'm just low masters, but it already works like a charm. I like to play aggressively and the fact that you have a follow up ready when the counter attack comes makes this really safe.
All games went me killing/damaging the SCV, killing marines with roaches, causing a liftoff, getting a spire up, having mutas ready when tankivac arrives. One guy tried one liberator but that got shut down as well. And then standard macro game with me being massively ahead.
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On April 11 2016 01:47 KeksX wrote:
Now that I've tried this build a few times myself, this is something I will definitely do every once in a while. I'm just low masters, but it already works like a charm. I like to play aggressively and the fact that you have a follow up ready when the counter attack comes makes this really safe.
All games went me killing/damaging the SCV, killing marines with roaches, causing a liftoff, getting a spire up, having mutas ready when tankivac arrives. One guy tried one liberator but that got shut down as well. And then standard macro game with me being massively ahead.
glad you like it
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Thanks for the guide, this play style really fits my game well. I have tried this build in the Diamond leagues and had great success with it so far (even against Protoss and Zerg). One build that is currently wrecking me however, is a bio push that hits me around the 6:00 mark. The push usually includes either combat shield OR stim and 1 tank. I have not been scouting around the 3:45 mark as I usually would since I noticed you did not in your games. The last game I lost for example, the guy threw down 4 rax and addons pretty early so obviously the overwhelming numbers caught me by surprise. My handful of roaches + 8 mutalisk were no match. Should I be building more roaches before saturating my 3rd? Thanks in advance!
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On April 18 2016 09:21 sOcKs_ wrote:
Thanks for the guide, this play style really fits my game well. I have tried this build in the Diamond leagues and had great success with it so far (even against Protoss and Zerg). One build that is currently wrecking me however, is a bio push that hits me around the 6:00 mark. The push usually includes either combat shield OR stim and 1 tank. I have not been scouting around the 3:45 mark as I usually would since I noticed you did not in your games. The last game I lost for example, the guy threw down 4 rax and addons pretty early so obviously the overwhelming numbers caught me by surprise. My handful of roaches + 8 mutalisk were no match. Should I be building more roaches before saturating my 3rd? Thanks in advance!
If you scout 3 Barracks you should not go for the Build and instead switch to a Standard Roach Ling or +1/+1 Roach style instead of Mutalisks.
I found out the hardway that pure bio without any tech does pretty well against Mutalisks!
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Awesome and creative ! Watched the game vs Aqueron the build looks very convincing, it's not just a gimmick.
May I ask how you came up with it ? I'm just awful at crafting my own builds and I usually just mindlessly copy what koreans pros seem to be doing so I'm curious to know how you can have such out of the box ideas
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On April 20 2016 08:33 [PkF] Wire wrote:Awesome and creative ! Watched the game vs Aqueron the build looks very convincing, it's not just a gimmick. May I ask how you came up with it ? I'm just awful at crafting my own builds and I usually just mindlessly copy what koreans pros seem to be doing so I'm curious to know how you can have such out of the box ideas
There was a similar build in HotS.
I played ~60 ZvT's against a friend over a week and tried out different build and styles. He enjoyed opening Reapers and I realised that a fast queen defends against Reapers well. Next I tried adding roaches to deal counter damage as he had only reaper / marines for defense. I then also added early lings to try and delay a bunker / cc.
Once I had the opener I had to come up with a follow up this took me a long time. I have multiple follow ups that I did not disclose in this thread / replays but the easiest is the mutalisk follow up. The reason for that is that I often had trouble dealing with Liberators / Banshees / Drops but fast Mutalisks means he has to invest in antiair, turrets and has to play more defensive.
Once I had the Mutalisks down I had to come up with a follow up to that. I tried ling bane muta but it's a hard composition to play. Instead I used my already existing Roach Warren and tried to make use of it and came up with the follow up attacks as you can see in the Replay.
Hope that clears things up
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nice guide. as someone currently still trying to figure the best strat out for zvt, this looks very viable and... well researched/tried and tested many times. i will be trying this out on ladder.
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Very nice build, and guide. Won a few games trying this out
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