EPT18gas
17pool
20hatch
vs Toss
or 33 hatchery vs Toss/Terran
You can take 26 or 27hatch vs Terran if you cancel speed and bring the drone to the 3rd and hide it before reaper shows up
The LotV Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 59
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Ej_
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18gas 17pool 20hatch vs Toss or 33 hatchery vs Toss/Terran You can take 26 or 27hatch vs Terran if you cancel speed and bring the drone to the 3rd and hide it before reaper shows up | ||
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Ryndika
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Not related to zerg but as I'm watching this game and trying to go to vod I wonder why there isn't one. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On April 22 2018 03:04 Ryndika wrote: Watching wcs. Why is starkiller going roach hydra against terran? Not related to zerg but as I'm watching this game and trying to go to vod I wonder why there isn't one. roach hydra is a viable comp in every matchup for as long as the game has existed, it's just not considered the best way to play against terran, partially because it's super hard to split army well against drops. too many roaches or hydras at home and your army is weak, too few and the drop kills them for free. also bad scaling into lategame. didn't see the game but if Terran was playing mech then roach hydra is very normal. against bio it's just kinda allin | ||
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Ej_
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On April 27 2018 23:31 Ryndika wrote: What ladder maps should I veto if I don't wanna learn them and I wanna minmax my winrate for time being? All maps are more than fine for Zerg right now, Backwater and NVS might be problematic if you don't like playing vs lategame Protoss/Terran. Pick whatever suits your playstyle. | ||
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RaiZ
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RaiZ
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I could take my 1st expo on the normal one, but then I have nothing to prevent the other race to take his own gold. I don't understand tbh. | ||
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Ej_
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On May 16 2018 22:00 RaiZ wrote: Already done. Just want to know what went through their mind when they made it. What was their main purpose ? I'm genuinely curious, how you can play it as Zerg since there is always a ranged unit from the other race to prevent you from mining ? I could take my 1st expo on the normal one, but then I have nothing to prevent the other race to take his own gold. I don't understand tbh. Make a roach. | ||
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RaiZ
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
gold maps are notoriously silly and imba. blizz obviously just likes to experiment | ||
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RaiZ
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On May 18 2018 07:10 brickrd wrote: burrow roach might work. terran would need medivacs to chase over the minerals and you might force a lot of scans. just theorycrafting. baneling drops maybe? even a few swarm hosts in drop overlords? gold maps are notoriously silly and imba. blizz obviously just likes to experiment I don't care about burrow roaches. It needs lair + upgrade from roach warren. Which is like 5 minutes late. I'm talking about how to take your gold without being "disturbed" by any ranged units that the others race can easily abuse while you, you can't. At least not until you have a roach warren. What stop terran and protoss to take their gold ASAP when you can't take yours ? That's the main problem I have with this map. | ||
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hegemony
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What's the logic in getting melee upgrade first vs ranged in hydra ling bling in ZvT? | ||
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SMOrangeUtan
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therealkillemall
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On May 20 2018 13:47 hegemony wrote: Low level question here: What's the logic in getting melee upgrade first vs ranged in hydra ling bling in ZvT? To add to the answer, you usually only make 10 or so hydra's to survive to Hive. There's much more lings and banes in your army than hydralisks. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On May 21 2018 06:12 Saechiis wrote: To add to the answer, you usually only make 10 or so hydra's to survive to Hive. There's much more lings and banes in your army than hydralisks. there are a lot of different ways to approach upgrades in zvt though. ive seen elazer go +2 carapace before any attack upgrades with hydra bane. and you can make more than ten hydras, just like in zvp it depends what kind of game you want to play and your opponent's composition. | ||
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FlatEdge
United States12 Posts
On May 18 2018 07:29 RaiZ wrote: I don't care about burrow roaches. It needs lair + upgrade from roach warren. Which is like 5 minutes late. I'm talking about how to take your gold without being "disturbed" by any ranged units that the others race can easily abuse while you, you can't. At least not until you have a roach warren. What stop terran and protoss to take their gold ASAP when you can't take yours ? That's the main problem I have with this map. So after playing a few games on this map, I haven't had too many issues with other players harassing my gold base; just seems like defense as usual. Though it's easy for them to put a marine/reaper or [insert unit(s) here] to shoot your drones, you still have your queen(s) to shoot back until speedlings get on the other side. As for harassing their gold, making just a roach or 2 and having them poke at workers seems to be more than enough. No speed needed! | ||
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loginn
France815 Posts
On May 21 2018 05:44 therealkillemall wrote: Quick question here. How can be stopped a 2 base cyclone/hellion/hellbat allin? I tried queen/ roach and got smashed in the ground. Turns out cyclones annihillate roaches. And I think that getting a good surround with ling/bane is hard. Any adivce? Thanks a lot. Ling bane queen does really well. You surround the cyclones with lings and kill the hellbats with banes while using queens to finish it all. You probably need like 6-7 queens to hold comfortably. Number of lings/banes depends on how early they hit EDIT : Wrong quote | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On May 21 2018 05:44 therealkillemall wrote: Quick question here. How can be stopped a 2 base cyclone/hellion/hellbat allin? I tried queen/ roach and got smashed in the ground. Turns out cyclones annihillate roaches. And I think that getting a good surround with ling/bane is hard. Any adivce? Thanks a lot. Roach alone don't work, but ravagers do as they are faster, more range, and not armored, and bile can touch hellbat. But you need at least 3 gas mining to build enough ravagers. | ||
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