[D] Overlord/Queen creep harass - Page 3

On January 30 2014 22:42 weikor wrote:
Like i mentioned before, i dont think this is viable or worth it as a straight tech to drop & speed & queen.

However what about going for a build where you go for go for fast drops, drop the terran with roaches, or whatever you think can work. Then you could use that tech to implement the strategy you are trying to do without wasting as many recources.

The problem i see with that (or drop research in general) is that there is no standard opening for drops. The reason for that is at the highest level all recources matter - or the opponents army can snowball out of control too much.

On January 30 2014 21:40 Val_ wrote:
a lot of z's are harassing by this in gm, favorite map for harass is frost

On January 30 2014 22:42 weikor wrote:
Like i mentioned before, i dont think this is viable or worth it as a straight tech to drop & speed & queen.

However what about going for a build where you go for go for fast drops, drop the terran with roaches, or whatever you think can work. Then you could use that tech to implement the strategy you are trying to do without wasting as many recources.

The problem i see with that (or drop research in general) is that there is no standard opening for drops. The reason for that is at the highest level all recources matter - or the opponents army can snowball out of control too much.

On January 31 2014 08:14 tili wrote:


Yea- without further tweaking, this is never going to be optimal play, unless it's part of a larger drop strat.

However, in the spirit of innovating the meta, it's interesting/smart.

On January 31 2014 10:43 The_Australian wrote:
Im not that great at starcraft 2 so take what I say with a grain of salt, but it seems the drop upgrade would be usefull when you see a terran meching (as you can use that upgrade lategame to exploit mobility) if you get drops in the midgame why not go for bane drops in mineral lines as soon as they move out, etc. I don't see the investment in drops wasted at all if you synergise it with other plays.

On January 31 2014 07:36 ArcDawn wrote:
Kind of a small bump, but for those of you that are new to this thread, please check out the video before you decide whether there's problems with the build. And if anyone has any ideas of how to more easily streamline it let me know!
Also just some streamlining ideas:
We are assuming in the build in the video that you want to get quick 1-1 upgrades, metabolic boost, baneling nest, and tier 2 tech as well as the overdrop research. If something is unnecessary (IE. you are going roach hydra and banes aren't a good investment) Try to see what happens you you don't go for it. However, from a timing perspective, a good zerg should be able to get all this + overdrops at about 10:00-10:20

On January 31 2014 17:51 ETisME wrote:

in the video it is a ZvZ?

it's a 2 base quick lair build, with quick 1 1 and baneling nest, delaying the third.

your queen in the video actually arrive on the third location at around 12 mins.

If we look at how the timing lines up in bomber's game, he almost always land it around 9 mins mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3_4CZ5GWo#t=1017
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3_4CZ5GWo#t=2104
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3_4CZ5GWo#t=3218 (10:30 ish)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3_4CZ5GWo#t=4040
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3_4CZ5GWo#t=5498 (7 mins building at 3rd)

On January 31 2014 23:01 [MIG]kenny wrote:
I believe Nestea pioneered this in the GSL a few years back, he walked a queen up with an overlord on antiga shipyard. while he lost his queen he delayed the expo for quite a while.

On February 01 2014 10:07 ArcDawn wrote:
I watched the video and it looks like scarlett is banking quite some unused gas early-mid game.
This unused gas will skyrocket as the gas at the 3rd is taken thus allowing a lot of production+ economy that a 300/300 investment won't be such a big deal. (2 mutas really not a big deal)
The harass may not come out on time to creep the third on a large map, but you can still delay every other base extremely easily. + it's good to have that map vision + speed boost while going for perhaps 3 base roach drops or bane drops etc

On February 01 2014 19:57 velvex wrote:

Scarlett banks gas in the early-mid game so she can make mutas when the spire finishes as every other Zerg player does.

No matter how you look at it, researching drops early in the game for the somewhat dubious reward of delaying the fourth will always be costly. Investment and pay-off are also very far apart and the pay-off isn't even that good given the economy of SC2 where three bases basically give you enough to kill your opponent. Two mutas may not sound that much, and you won't lose solely because of the drop upgrade, but fights in ZvT are often so close that both sides often only have 10% or so of their forces left after them, and a few banelings or mutas can easily be the difference between holding a base and losing it.

What might be worth trying out is getting lair and overlord speed earlier than normal, sneaking a queen to their third base, and creeping there as much as possible with the help of several overlords. This seems more likely to be worth it and you're not getting upgrades specifically for that purpose; only delaying some.

On February 01 2014 18:24 SeventhPride wrote:
There was a strat involving this a long time ago in WoL when it just came out, I can't remember where I have seen it. But you are basically investing in tons of gas which could have been more Mutas or banes in exchange for Vision and speed. Cons outweight the pros though, I would rather have more mutas and spread my creep like how i always do. Though different people have different preference. Will keep this tactic though, might be fun to use it sometime.