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Make sure you read the OP before asking a question. Asking a question already addressed in the OP will result in moderation action. Also, please put some effort into your questions. Do not just ask for build orders.
imabigboi
Profile Joined December 2014
26 Posts
March 09 2015 02:37 GMT
#6621
Use forcefield to limit bio's movement. Engage with ur colossus zealot army if there is a chunk of T's army inside ur FF. Back off ur colossus zealot army if all of T's army is outside ur FF. Use stalkers to deal with vikings. If you are not good at this micro, 1 A is better than donate army for free.
vhapter
Profile Joined May 2010
Brazil677 Posts
March 09 2015 02:55 GMT
#6622
I guess I should stop using guardian shield in this sort of engagement if I only have 1 sentry then, or perhaps add 1-2 sentries as soon as I see a big move out with many vikings like that. I always pop guardian shield before I attack move, but that means I can't force field the bio properly unless it's a really tight choke point.
To live is to fight, to fight is to live!
larrysc2
Profile Joined January 2015
United States5 Posts
March 09 2015 05:46 GMT
#6623
Any advice for beating hackers in pvp? Top 50 gm. I've played the same hacker about 5 times now and because the matchup is so build order driven I find myself ending up behind every game.
imabigboi
Profile Joined December 2014
26 Posts
March 09 2015 07:44 GMT
#6624
On March 09 2015 14:46 larrysc2 wrote:
Any advice for beating hackers in pvp? Top 50 gm. I've played the same hacker about 5 times now and because the matchup is so build order driven I find myself ending up behind every game.

1 gate expand every game. If the hacker wanna be aggressive, just another allin to defend. If macro game, scout and make the right decision. Playing vs hacker is actually an opportunity to make ur game more solid, lol.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 09 2015 08:01 GMT
#6625
I mean, the second he sees a sentry first from the gateway he'll just drop down his own nexus even greedier or punish with a stargate all in. Against hackers you'll just end up behind in PvP I guess. Sucks but the game isn't designed to incorporate them.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
imabigboi
Profile Joined December 2014
26 Posts
March 09 2015 08:12 GMT
#6626
He cant be greedier than you if he expands after scouting ur first sentry, not to mention you can build a stalker first then expand. Against a stargate allin, know what timing where to position units, it's hard, but defendable if your play is solid.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 09 2015 08:42 GMT
#6627
He's a hacker, he doesn't need to scout.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
imabigboi
Profile Joined December 2014
26 Posts
March 09 2015 08:50 GMT
#6628
see*
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-09 09:36:11
March 09 2015 09:34 GMT
#6629
He can see the sentry in production, know exactly what's going on and react accordingly. Then, when you drop your followup tech, he reactively counters yours. Give me a maphack in PvP and I will never not be ahead.
Assuming he sees the production tab ofc. Most hacks I've heard of do though.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
imabigboi
Profile Joined December 2014
26 Posts
March 09 2015 10:01 GMT
#6630
On March 09 2015 18:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
He can see the sentry in production, know exactly what's going on and react accordingly. Then, when you drop your followup tech, he reactively counters yours. Give me a maphack in PvP and I will never not be ahead.
Assuming he sees the production tab ofc. Most hacks I've heard of do though.

Ofc he will react to what you are doing, same as you will counter his after scouting his build. He has his timings, you have yours. For example, one of the worst situations is he gets a stargate after expand, but if you can scout it and make stalkers and defend ur worker line with photon overcharge, you are not in a bad spot after this timing. And with units advantage, you can take a fast 3rd, this is ur stronger timing.
It's hard to play vs maphacker ofc, basically you have to scout in time and react perfectly. But I don't think if a maphacker has the same mmr as you, his understanding of this game would be at the same level as you.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 09 2015 10:59 GMT
#6631
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
March 09 2015 11:11 GMT
#6632
well he's trying to provide a positive response which i agree with. no point posing the question if the only acceptable answer is "he hacks so he's going to win". that's what cheating is, it gives an advantage. same as any other challenge you look for weakness amd try to play better. if you're not willing to try then just quit and take the loss or write blizzard am angry email
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 09 2015 11:21 GMT
#6633
I'm sorry but if you're going to end up behind there's no point sugarcoating it. There is no catch all build in PvP and if a maphacker's game knowledge is good enough, they will exploit that fact and come out ahead.
So yeah, what you suggested is the best option. Report the guy, quit your games against him if you don't wanna waste time.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
imabigboi
Profile Joined December 2014
26 Posts
March 09 2015 12:25 GMT
#6634
On March 09 2015 19:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Doesn't matter you agree with me or not. Just wanna give a helpful answer.
PiPiGranDe
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada70 Posts
March 09 2015 17:21 GMT
#6635
I want to incorporate phoenix usage in PvT...

Are there any competitive matches of Koreans using this style? Can someone link it for me please?
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
March 09 2015 17:25 GMT
#6636
Basically every PvT on Nimbus is a good start. Stats vs Maru in game one was a great example.

Also there's a good example of that style (much more aggressive than Stats' though) here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/477077-wcs-2015-season-1-maps-analysis
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-09 17:37:43
March 09 2015 17:33 GMT
#6637
On March 09 2015 14:46 larrysc2 wrote:
Any advice for beating hackers in pvp? Top 50 gm. I've played the same hacker about 5 times now and because the matchup is so build order driven I find myself ending up behind every game.


Sorry if I'm a little OT but if you are playing in NA you should simply consider switching to KR/EU, they're far more playable and there's better practice as well. If you're top 50 gm I assume you are playing mostly against maphackers and worse players overall.

Besides, you can beat hackers in PvP even with aggressive builds just because they can't micro. For example, they often try to rush to sentries and fail when I go 10 gate into 3 gate.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
March 11 2015 16:50 GMT
#6638
Hey all,

Haven't played in a while and I kind of want to catch up on the meta. Where's a good place to start? Can someone give me a quick rundown of what's going on in each MU?

Stopped playing and watching around October/November; now just getting back into it.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
KatatoniK
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom978 Posts
March 11 2015 18:12 GMT
#6639
Hello my Protoss brethren, this season my PvP has been rather, shall we say, lacking. Currently sat at a 36% win rate and honestly my play is all over the place because I don't know what kind of builds to expect on each map or when to expand etc.

My vetoes are Expedition Lost, Secret Spring and Overgrowth.
Flying on the Jin Air hype plane. Lets go Maru, Rogue, sOs and the handsome CJ herO
Ashent
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)109 Posts
March 11 2015 20:14 GMT
#6640
Besides, you can beat hackers in PvP even with aggressive builds just because they can't micro. For example, they often try to rush to sentries and fail when I go 10 gate into 3 gate.


While I agree that a hacker you're playing will likely be much worse in micro than you (as they have the same MMR as you do while having maphacks on) I have to disagree on this one.. If they see you 10 gate they will be able to directly counter it without even sending a 9 scout. Every game. Their micro would have to be leagues and leagues below you to lose this every time.
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