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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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vhapter
Brazil677 Posts
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
It was still pretty close though, I'd say if HuK killed a few more probes and got his gateway at home a bit earlier the game could have been equal. Another answer if it's inside your main is to pull the probes, it works but you still end up in a meh position because of all the lost mining time. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On December 06 2014 06:21 KingAlphard wrote: I still lose very often against scouted proxy gateways even if I know what to do, and I don't think my micro is terrible. Plus many people proxy them outside your natural and it's not efficient to scout everywhere or 9 scout your opponent's base. There's no other all in in PvP that I lose to when I scout it, maybe 10 gate into 3 gate and cannon rush sometimes too. That's mainly to say that PvP all ins are not that good nowadays because of photon overcharge. Obviously I'm talking about all ins which you decide to do from the start, not reactive ones like for example -" I see my opponent is going stargate expand so I blink all in him " I use to think the same, but if it's an in-base proxy you can just kill the first gate with probes. You lose a lot of mining time, but it's an extremely safe way to not die to a proxy 2gate that never fails and has far more margin for error than trying to out micro zealots with zealots and probes. They get absolutely no damage done, and you only have to stay on one gateway, basically they are forced to transition into a normal game with a disadvantage. Obviously, if you do a zealot response you can win outright, but i this response is safer and you don't get that horrible feeling of scouting the gates and still losing to it cos of a couple mistakes. This is only for in-base proxies of course. But i stand by my statement that if it's not in your base, then they're so much easier to hold that it doesn't even matter. You can even beat unscouted proxy 2 gates if they are in your natural or somewhere even further away, and trust me, my micro is practically diamond level so i doubt your micro is worse than mine. | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
That's my standard answer too, but I feel like I end up behind because of all the lost mining time. And regarding the distance. I lost multiple times to zealot proxy outside my natural, just because I usually go 1 gate tech skipping the zealot. Good luck at microing when 3 zealots show up when you have a twilight council/stargate on the way and a mothership core just started. | ||
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vhapter
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
I've tried three main ways of opening up to get templar without dieing to Mines, written in my order of preferance; - Oracle, Tech to Charge + Storm rapidly, use Phoenix to defend drops initially and use oracle + phoenix to pick of Widow Mines. - Open Robo with Warp Prism and Observers, go for a Chargelot Immortal Archon composition and add Storm soon. - Open Blink and add Templar Archives. Do you guys have any opinions  ? | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On December 09 2014 03:06 DarkLordOlli wrote: The koreans are saying that phoenix -> templar is the only way to play templar, but it's extremely hard to do. What Koreans? Quotes? I can't really find any games, that's why. Well, I concluded the same thing, which is nice. I'm still having a ton of trouble with when to commence Phoenix production and when to get Storm/Charge/Armor upgrades/3rd base... Trial and Error is! | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
Q: Is there any way to play templar PvT? A: Maybe just with phoenix? But it's so hard | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On December 09 2014 03:14 DarkLordOlli wrote: Ah, I asked Parting at MSI Q: Is there any way to play templar PvT? A: Maybe just with phoenix? But it's so hard Ah, thanks ^_^ Still not gonna stop trying, Templar are just so much fun ♥ | ||
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England3012 Posts
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
On December 09 2014 03:10 SC2Toastie wrote: What Koreans? Quotes? I can't really find any games, that's why. Well, I concluded the same thing, which is nice. I'm still having a ton of trouble with when to commence Phoenix production and when to get Storm/Charge/Armor upgrades/3rd base... Trial and Error is! take a look at liquid hero vs polt on catelenna wcs season 3. he demonstrated a super sick phoenix templar play. his builds might be hard to execute but its VERY VERY fun to play. minigun made a pretty good overview about it http://www.minigun.gg/blog/read/pvt-hero-vs-polt-the-phoenix-chargelot-storm-catallena-13#.VIYtJzHF_h8 | ||
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d4v3d
Mexico12 Posts
i got a game where i was winning hard but the terran just turtled in 3 bases vs 5 (i was in 5), and then pushed out with like 20 tanks hellbats and a lot of ghosts i was full inmortal archons with some zealots, but inmortals just attack hellbats while i cant stop ghosts from getting 2-3 imp off in a 50% of my army of inmortals  and gg. i had 3-4 templar but i just feedback 3-4 ghost before getting killed by tanks/ impit isnt the first time I feel like i cant win again mech in PvT even it is suppossed to no be viable. Feel like inmortals are useless again 5+ tanks PD: It was 20 tanks 16 hellbats 10 ghost 12 vikings vs 17 inmortals 7 archon 25 zealots 5 templars 2 colosos +/- PD2: Sorry bad english. PD3: He was low diamond while i was top plat, my micro sucks but i dont think it is the cause | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On December 09 2014 16:27 d4v3d wrote: What comp i have to go again Hellbat Tank Ghost? i got a game where i was winning hard but the terran just turtled in 3 bases vs 5 (i was in 5), and then pushed out with like 20 tanks hellbats and a lot of ghosts i was full inmortal archons with some zealots, but inmortals just attack hellbats while i cant stop ghosts from getting 2-3 imp off in a 50% of my army of inmortals and gg. i had 3-4 templar but i just feedback 3-4 ghost before getting killed by tanks/ impit isnt the first time I feel like i cant win again mech in PvT even it is suppossed to no be viable. Feel like inmortals are useless again 5+ tanks PD: It was 20 tanks 16 hellbats 10 ghost 12 vikings vs 17 inmortals 7 archon 25 zealots 5 templars 2 colosos +/- PD2: Sorry bad english. PD3: He was low diamond while i was top plat, my micro sucks but i dont think it is the cause The easiest way to lose that Protoss army is to be clumped while engaging into his mass AOE: do you have a replay? Given you say your micro is less than optimal, I imagine you attack without flanking. That being said, High Templar and Air Tech are excellent verse these kinds of all ins off 2/3 bases, there's simply no money for a rapid transition. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On December 09 2014 07:59 Xinzoe wrote: take a look at liquid hero vs polt on catelenna wcs season 3. he demonstrated a super sick phoenix templar play. his builds might be hard to execute but its VERY VERY fun to play. minigun made a pretty good overview about it http://www.minigun.gg/blog/read/pvt-hero-vs-polt-the-phoenix-chargelot-storm-catallena-13#.VIYtJzHF_h8 Classic vs Polt (Blizzcon) on Merry Go Round as well, and I do think he did it in other PvTs at Blizzcon too. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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d4v3d
Mexico12 Posts
I just cant win again mech. I had win like 1 from 10 games again mech, and again bio i win like 65% of my games...Im top plat. The tanks are so fucking op kills everything, zealots, stalkers, inmortals, archons, everything in 3 seg. I tried to go Void but they scout my voids they just make vikings and anyway they get destroyed by marines/vikings before they can get in range to attack tanks. Inmortals they get out the shield by the aoe in like 2 shoots of 10-15 tanks. And they cant hit tanks they have to focus marines/maraudres/hellbat. They usually open with WM drop main Hellion harras or banshe. delaying his expa, i defend this easy, when i defend they already had 2nd and i get 3rd because i think they should cant move. But even if im 1 base ahead i keep losing, i cant attack and if they get the tanks outside of my base i just cant move. And i sucks at 5 bases or more, if they start droping hellbats | ||
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