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Harreh
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Teoita
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Harreh
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
Some about phoenixes.If you try to stacking phoenixes with phoenix with gravy beam/Ph with gravy push out our stack/Who have some isea for abuse it? | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
Plus it's really easy to overcommit with them, have to deal with muta/corruptor stuff or get caught offguard again by yet another tech switch. So yeah on paper phoenixes work but really it's quite situational. | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On January 10 2014 21:42 Harreh wrote: How to defend early ling attacks from a gateway expand? I'm not sure how to know it's coming.. I think that is my main issue. I'm just chillin', sorting out my wall and suddenly lings happen. I guess what I need to see is the zerg's gas and react by getting the wall up asap and assume the worse? I just wanted to clarify on this: With a gate expand, you should be aiming to have a complete (or near complete wall) with a sentry by 5:30. If your opponent does like 14/14, you'll need your wall up a little sooner. To deal with the all-in, just get as many sentries out as possible while rewalling with gateways/pylons. | ||
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Heartland
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Teoita
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There may or may not be a huge tl strat guide written by me on just that style coming up soon  | ||
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Heartland
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Other things that seem to happen relatively regularly is that I come out ahead from the early game but can't seem to capitalise on what I've won in the mid-game because I have trouble moving out with a small army. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
In general though, if you feel like you need to get more out of your ground units, you could cut stargates by one and/or void ray production by 2ish (usually each stargate produces an average of 2 voids before a brief cut to power up gateway tech), which gives you about charge/storm one minute faster per stargate/2voids you are cutting. Hope that made sense. I go over the whole thing in depth in the guide, it should be released in two/three weeks i believe. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On January 11 2014 04:57 Teoita wrote: Do you open gateway fe or ffe? How many stargates do you open with? If you gateway fe, do you followup with 3gate stargate or 1gate stargate forge? In general though, if you feel like you need to get more out of your ground units, you could cut stargates by one and/or void ray production by 2ish (usually each stargate produces an average of 2 voids before a brief cut to power up gateway tech), which gives you about charge/storm one minute faster per stargate/2voids you are cutting. Hope that made sense. I go over the whole thing in depth in the guide, it should be released in two/three weeks i believe. To follow up on that, void ray heavy builds with a lot of ground units isn't the best style to be upgrade centric, you probably shouldn't be going double forge. Upgrades for your ground units don't benefit your air units and vice versa: you should be more focused on taking good engagements (sentries are awesome for this style, especially early on since they can substitute for charge with FFs) and harassing then looking to deathball roll your opponent over. When I do this style, I like to skip ground armor upgrades entirely in favor of shield upgrades if I'm going to the late game and get those later. I also always take a very fast third: void rays can cover for them very easily early on and you need the gas, but doing that means I usually can't hit a timing window solidly. If you're concerned about mass hydra timings, consider going for earlier colossi: they compliment the void rays very well, and colossus/void ray is extremely powerful before mass infestor can hit the field. | ||
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Teoita
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twomong3r
United States36 Posts
Because of this I personally prefer 2 base all ins off of 1 gate fe. If you go nexus first into gate, core etc. you have the economy of a nexus first into forge build but with faster warpgate tech too, so it's like merging the advantages of FFE and 1 gate FE into a single build. Isn't this build just a really greedy variant of a nexus 1st FFE where you simply skip the forge+cannon? You get faster tech because you are being more greedy techwise while still being greedy economically. In exchange, you pay a price in safety (so only use this build if you see him go hatch first or something like that). Or am I mistaken, and this build really is safer compared to a nexus 1st FFE? | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On January 11 2014 10:03 twomong3r wrote: Isn't this build just a really greedy variant of a nexus 1st FFE where you simply skip the forge+cannon? You get faster tech because you are being more greedy techwise while still being greedy economically. In exchange, you pay a price in safety (so only use this build if you see him go hatch first or something like that). Or am I mistaken, and this build really is safer compared to a nexus 1st FFE? Are you asking if Nexus first into gateway is safer than Nexus first into gateway, or am I just completely misunderstanding you? If you're asking if 1 gate FE into tech is safer then nexus first into gateway, the answer is obviously yes. | ||
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twomong3r
United States36 Posts
On January 11 2014 11:09 Whitewing wrote: Are you asking if Nexus first into gateway is safer than Nexus first into gateway, or am I just completely misunderstanding you? If you're asking if 1 gate FE into tech is safer then nexus first into gateway, the answer is obviously yes. I mean Nexus first into gate vs nexus first into forge. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On January 11 2014 13:17 twomong3r wrote: I mean Nexus first into gate vs nexus first into forge. Forge is outright safer. Nexus first into gate will not hold any form of early pool aggression at all really, and will outright die to any kind of roach or bane bust for the most part. Your units are late, and you have no detection for a burrow roach rush (rare but still occasionally happens). The cannon from the forge behind a wall is a vast improvement in terms of playing safely vs. early aggression. Going gate gives you earlier aggression opportunities vs. a passive zerg (although you give up the early upgrade timings), but it's not as safe. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24591 Posts
On January 11 2014 04:57 Teoita wrote: Do you open gateway fe or ffe? How many stargates do you open with? If you gateway fe, do you followup with 3gate stargate or 1gate stargate forge? In general though, if you feel like you need to get more out of your ground units, you could cut stargates by one and/or void ray production by 2ish (usually each stargate produces an average of 2 voids before a brief cut to power up gateway tech), which gives you about charge/storm one minute faster per stargate/2voids you are cutting. Hope that made sense. I go over the whole thing in depth in the guide, it should be released in two/three weeks i believe. So I do two different builds. One of these is a regular FFE and one of them is a gateway opening. With the FFE I try to cannon-rush and zealot-attack their third (surprisingly effective). With the GW-opening I do a three-gateway pressure on their third. From both of these I get a single Stargate and a third of my own. With the GW one I've tended to go 2-stargates, but it felt just a bit too weak. FFE with three Stargates have felt a lot more solid and powerful over all. What's happened with both builds, however, has been that Zerg has managed to drone up and get a strong Hydra-based army supported by various other units (Roaches, Queens, etc) and either attacked my third and traded well enough for their follow-up attacks to be succesful or when I've finished Charge I've faced overwhelming numbers. Looking forward to your guide! | ||
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjU3NTA4ODk2.html Its luck or it work? Maybe if teran play fe we can build nexus after stargate or after fb or first tempest or oracle? | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
Maybe in Deadalus or Habitation station? | ||
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