EPTWhy would I try to be playing at a high level when I just started playing again? If you want to make snarky comments at me then please take it to PM.
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VayneAuthority
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Why would I try to be playing at a high level when I just started playing again? If you want to make snarky comments at me then please take it to PM. | ||
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Pokebunny
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On July 05 2013 00:51 VayneAuthority wrote: You know what that comment was trying to say; im not an idiot. It was an "im better than you since you dont hotkey" mentality. I've dealt with people like you since I started. Why would I try to be playing at a high level when I just started playing again? If you want to make snarky comments at me then please take it to PM. I'm not at all making snarky comments. You're saying you want to improve and you feel like you have to switch races. I am telling you you will not have success or ease improving with any race if you do not use any hotkeys. I never said anything about my own skill or brought anything about myself into the equation. If you don't want help and can't stand to be criticized then this isn't the place for you. If you're asking for help and won't take the most sensible answer, then there's not much we can do for you. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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On July 05 2013 00:54 Pokebunny wrote: I'm not at all making snarky comments. You're saying you want to improve and you feel like you have to switch races. I am telling you you will not have success or ease improving with any race if you do not use any hotkeys. I never said anything about my own skill or brought anything about myself into the equation. If you don't want help and can't stand to be criticized then this isn't the place for you. If you're asking for help and won't take the most sensible answer, then there's not much we can do for you. I'll give you a pass since you're young and immature but for the record when some one asks a question and then you come out of no where and say you'll never be good at anything without X!!! when its completely unrelated is not helpful at all. And yes I have found terran much easier since they do not require manual placement of units so switching races has been going great so far. Much easier race to use in sc2. If you're going to come out of nowhere and shit on somebody especially when I remember you from ICCup then you can sure as hell expect me to bring your skill into the equation when you have no business lecturing anyone. | ||
Teoita
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That said, if you come into this thread and ask for help on whatever, you are going to get criticised on -some- elements of your play, wether you are bronze or gm. It has nothing to do with personal attacks. | ||
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Pokebunny
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On July 05 2013 00:58 VayneAuthority wrote: I'll give you a pass since you're young and immature but for the record when some one asks a question and then you come out of no where and say you'll never be good at anything without X!!! when its completely unrelated is not helpful at all. And yes I have found terran much easier since they do not require manual placement of units so switching races has been going great so far. Much easier race to use in sc2. If you're going to come out of nowhere and shit on somebody especially when I remember you from ICCup then you can sure as hell expect me to bring your skill into the equation when you have no business lecturing anyone. Is there some reason you keep personally attacking me about my own skill/age/maturity? I didn't say anything insulting, all I'm doing is trying to help you. I didn't "come out of nowhere", this is a forum, you asked a question, I gave you advice. If you enjoy terran more then great for you, but when you're asking something in a Help Me thread, you're generally looking for advice on how to be a better player. Good luck with your games. And in case you haven't noticed, this isn't Brood War or ICCup, I don't understand why you are bringing my skill at a different game into it. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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On July 05 2013 01:00 Pokebunny wrote: Is there some reason you keep personally attacking me about my own skill/age/maturity? I didn't say anything insulting, all I'm doing is trying to help you. I didn't "come out of nowhere", this is a forum, you asked a question, I gave you advice. If you enjoy terran more then great for you, but when you're asking something in a Help Me thread, you're generally looking for advice on how to be a better player. Good luck with your games. And in case you haven't noticed, this isn't Brood War or ICCup, I don't understand why you are bringing my skill at a different game into it. Because you are straight up annoying and act your age. All you've done is made some stupid comment then started arguing with me. That isn't the point of a help thread, by the way. If you think saying "use hotkeys" to some one that hasn't for 10+ years then I don't know what to tell you. | ||
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Pokebunny
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On July 05 2013 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote: Because you are straight up annoying and act your age. All you've done is made some stupid comment then started arguing with me. That isn't the point of a help thread, by the way. If you think saying "use hotkeys" to some one that hasn't for 10+ years then I don't know what to tell you. I don't understand how I am at all being annoying. You randomly personally attacked me when I was giving advice. You are the one who starting "arguing" as you didn't like my perfectly valid advice. And yes, I think saying "use hotkeys" to someone who hasn't for 10+ years is fine. It might be a struggle to switch but you are bottlenecking your own skill for no reason other than stubbornness and habit. It is objectively faster to play with hotkeys: you can cycle between units and buildings much faster than without, you can't really argue that it isn't beneficial to your play to use hotkeys. Do you see any professional players, Brood War or SC2, not using hotkeys? | ||
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VayneAuthority
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On July 05 2013 01:05 Pokebunny wrote: I don't understand how I am at all being annoying. You randomly personally attacked me when I was giving advice. You are the one who starting "arguing" as you didn't like my perfectly valid advice. And yes, I think saying "use hotkeys" to someone who hasn't for 10+ years is fine. It might be a struggle to switch but you are bottlenecking your own skill for no reason other than stubbornness and habit. It is objectively faster to play with hotkeys: you can cycle between units and buildings much faster than without, you can't really argue that it isn't beneficial to your play to use hotkeys. Do you see any professional players, Brood War or SC2, not using hotkeys? The difference being I dont have professional gaming APM, so I can't make use of hotkeys. It actually does not improve my play, it only makes it worse since im working with around 40-50 APM. and obviously im not going to MLG any time soon so let's cut the shit. I'm not here to become a professional sc2 gamer, just to find a way around the warp gate problem I had. If you wanna go and attack me for that so be it but then I just don't take your advice seriously. | ||
Olli
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I'm wondering how you can even get to diamond without hotkeys, especially as protoss. That's quite impressive but still, not using any is basically accepting that you'll be worse at the game. | ||
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Teoita
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VayneAuthority
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On July 05 2013 01:09 DarkLordOlli wrote: I'd also tell you to use hotkeys. They're the solution to the problem you've asked. It's not bad design just because it doesn't cater to someone who doesn't use hotkeys. I'm wondering how you can even get to diamond without hotkeys, especially as protoss. That's quite impressive but still, not using any is basically accepting that you'll be worse at the game. It is bad design. Having a single structure that for some reason cannot use the rally function when all others can? That is without a doubt bad design. and yes I accept im terrible at the game for the last time thats not the issue here. I just asked a question about warp gates lets leave it at that. this isnt about hotkeys. | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On July 05 2013 01:11 VayneAuthority wrote: It is bad design. Having a single structure that for some reason cannot use the rally function when all others can? That is without a doubt bad design. Why? I'd say it's refreshing. You just personally don't like it which is a valid opinion but I don't see the point of asking for advice, knowing that not using hotkeys is the problem only to then not accept the obvious suggestion to use hotkeys. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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On July 05 2013 01:11 DarkLordOlli wrote: Why? I'd say it's refreshing. You just personally don't like it which is a valid opinion but I don't see the point of asking for advice, knowing that not using hotkeys is the problem only to then not accept the obvious suggestion to use hotkeys. http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/10/30/the-7-sins-of-bad-video-game-design/ #1, #4, #6 I could debate about this instead, more interesting then the hotkey garbage. | ||
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Olli
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EsportsJohn
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On July 05 2013 01:09 DarkLordOlli wrote: I'd also tell you to use hotkeys. They're the solution to the problem you've asked. It's not bad design just because it doesn't cater to someone who doesn't use hotkeys. I'm wondering how you can even get to diamond without hotkeys, especially as protoss. That's quite impressive but still, not using any is basically accepting that you'll be worse at the game. Seconded. This whole rant is actually completely confounding. I've never met someone who steadfastly refused to use hotkeys. For 10+ years. What? lol..... | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On July 05 2013 01:11 VayneAuthority wrote: It is bad design. Having a single structure that for some reason cannot use the rally function when all others can? That is without a doubt bad design. and yes I accept im terrible at the game for the last time thats not the issue here. I just asked a question about warp gates lets leave it at that. this isnt about hotkeys. It's actually GOOD design, as having unique production mechanics that reward high-skilled players (i.e those with better macro) allows good players to separate themselves through their play. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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On July 05 2013 01:40 Pokebunny wrote: It's actually GOOD design, as having unique production mechanics that reward high-skilled players (i.e those with better macro) allows good players to separate themselves through their play. oh are we back to the stone age of "blizzard should have kept unit selection at 12 max!" that isn't really even a design concept. I've outlined the 3 factors that it clearly hinders in this game in the above post. | ||
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aldochillbro
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da_head
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VayneAuthority
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On July 05 2013 01:58 aldochillbro wrote: can someone ban this guy? this thread doesn't need to turn into a trollfest. it's pretty obvious that this guy is just looking to pick a fight by personally attacking other posters. On July 05 2013 03:58 da_head wrote: Someone who adamantly refuses to improve himself and rather elects to harp about poor game design is either a blatant troll or a moron. Oh the sweet irony. If you guys are so intelligent I would be glad to hear your rebuttal of why it isn't bad game design when I have given 3 reasons as to why it is. | ||
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