EPTNow please stop with your shit posting.
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Teoita
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Now please stop with your shit posting. | ||
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n0ah
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In the PvZ matchup, what time is a good time to pressure their third? It's my worst matchup, but I've been getting better at it I think, however I don't feel as if I really know when to go attack their third, or just macro up because its too late. Right now I am going the 1-gate FE, into 3-gate pressure, but I don't feel confident about my timings at all. I feel very... Random when I decide to push. Any advice? | ||
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VayneAuthority
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On July 05 2013 04:07 Teoita wrote: Because the game is meant to be played, designed and balanced around using hotkeys, just like basically every rts game in the history of competitive gaming. Now please stop with your shit posting. I don't see how that refutes any of the points I made. If we are talking about personal attacks, here's another. Typical mob mentality/hypocrites xD | ||
Falling
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I'm all about critiquing game design, but it is not appropriate in a Protoss help me thread. This quite clearly a thread on working with is rather than what ought to be. | ||
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Teoita
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Anything slower than that is generally too slow to hit the zerg before his 3base econ can kick in. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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On July 05 2013 04:13 Falling wrote: Hey Vayne. Get back on topic. I'm all about critiquing game design, but it is not appropriate in a Protoss help me thread. This quite clearly a thread on working with is rather than what ought to be. Fair enough, that's what it came down to though since they refuse to do anything but attack me and say that I am attacking them. I gave some reasons as to why it was affecting my protoss play in a negative way, and I guess I expected more mature people on teamliquid but just got a bunch of angry people instead that do not wish to discuss anything, only witch hunt. | ||
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Falling
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VayneAuthority
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On July 05 2013 04:19 Falling wrote: No, you aren't listening to people giving advice and playing victim. Protoss help only. Could you point out any useful advice besides the one thing Teo said about using the UI to mass click warpgates? Because besides that its a bunch of useless drivel about hotkeys that I didn't ask for advice on and made it pretty clear early on that I didn't want to discuss it. The discussion then shifted to bad game design and I gave reasons and nobody can refute them so they now resorted to personal attacks. It started as protoss help and turned into this shit and I would love to hear how that was my fault when I was not the one that brought up being hotkeys or skill level in the game. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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n0ah
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7mk
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How far you are behind if it fails depends on what failing means. You dont have to kill his 3rd, if you're timing is right and youre forcing a ton of lings that can already be a success. If you use terrain well and dont let everyting get surrounded its hard to not be cost effective with zealots vs lings so you can feel free to keep warping in. If you see he has roaches to defend i would just walk or recall home. Btw. what kind of 3 gate pressure are you doing, what are you teching to that youre not using 4 gates? | ||
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TokO
Norway577 Posts
On July 05 2013 04:24 VayneAuthority wrote: Could you point out any useful advice besides the one thing Teo said about using the UI to mass click warpgates? Because besides that its a bunch of useless drivel about hotkeys that I didn't ask for advice on and made it pretty clear early on that I didn't want to discuss it. The discussion then shifted to bad game design and I gave reasons and nobody can refute them so they now resorted to personal attacks. It started as protoss help and turned into this shit and I would love to hear how that was my fault when I was not the one that brought up being hotkeys or skill level in the game. User was temp banned for this post. You shifted the discussion to bad game design. Which is entirely beyond the scope of this thread. Pokebunny gave you good advice about how to cope with your issue within the game, there is really nothing more posters can do. You proceeded to reject the advice and start to derail the thread. EDIT: Mods can delete this. | ||
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n0ah
United States250 Posts
If I see that the pressure is working well, then I add on 2-3 gates while trying to tech to high Templar. But my play is really sloppy still. I'm usually in high diamond, but due to inactivity and putting off Starcraft for school for 5 months, I got demoted to platinum. My aim is to hit masters sometime this year. | ||
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Teoita
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Two good games to study for that kind of build are today's game 1 and 2 of Rain vs hyvaa, + Show Spoiler [OSL spoilers!] + in game 1 rain did a solid 3gate+phoenix pressure and kept making zealots and phoenixes because soo was being overly greedy, and ended up winning the game. In game 2 he overinvested in the pressure after soo scouted it, lost too many zealots, didn't make enough probes and ended up in an almost impossible position to win the game Another player that relies heavily on early warpgate pressure is NonY, so you could watch his stream too. His PvZ is actually really interesting. | ||
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n0ah
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7mk
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Teoita
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shivver
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pokebunny is right and you're getting butthurt about it and taking it personally | ||
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Ben...
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On July 05 2013 04:41 Teoita wrote:Another player that relies heavily on early warpgate pressure is NonY, so you could watch his stream too. His PvZ is actually really interesting. I would actually recommend anyone who plays Protoss do that, even just for some ideas to try out. He really does a great job of showing what Protoss can do in PvZ without following the styles of the high level Korean players like Rain or Parting. He was doing crazy 2gate expands into 5gate pressure in WOL and completely destroying people with it, and in HOTS he is doing just as much crazy stuff. He's always done his own thing and he has always done very well with his styles. | ||
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