The HotS Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 134

On July 05 2013 18:40 Teoita wrote:
There isn't a set timing, but for the most part people tend to get it while they take their third (so after you spent gas in stargate, robo, +1 and sentries).

On July 05 2013 19:57 Tacopuff wrote:
Hello TL, My name is Tacopuff and im a diamond level protoss player who currently has issues in PvZ
You see I lack a real build order, Ive watched alot of games at the proffesional level and tried to adapt a style wich includes FFE --> stargate --> robo --> third, rough frame work is bassicly fast stargate for phoenixes with a robo to, then take a third I have had some issues with it though.

For one Im not really sure when to add gates and get my MC core. My biggest problem seems to be how to get splash for hydra pushes on my third base, maybe getting 4-5 phoenixes just is ineffecient? I currently dont have the ability to load up any replays of mine (Not on my main computer) But what im really asking for is a build roughly the same as my own (stargate for 4-5 phoenixes with a robo behind into third base with collusus)

Sorry If im not very detailed in my explanation I hope its enough I will come back to this with replays as soon as I get home, but I would really just like a solid build for now wich I can practise.

Thanks in advance

(I would also want to apologize for my bad english )

On July 05 2013 21:16 Extenz wrote:


4-5 Phoenixes is fine and it is a standard opening in PvZ to prevent mutas, I suggest you start taking your third when the first colossus is out to be safe, start adding gates when you see you're banking some money (you can expand off 4-5 gates), with your ffe gate keep warping sentries to build energy.
You can take your Robo while you're chronoing phoenixes and realize you now have spare gas to use.
Make sure not to get supply blocked when you chrono your first colossus or your third will be late, also remember to keep your phoenixes alive and check the third to kill the overlord that wants to spread creep or the zergling.

About the mothership core, I might be wrong since I always do gate expo so I get it early, but I guess take it after the first sentry, so you will be safe vs any kind of rushes.

On July 05 2013 18:31 See.Blue wrote:
If I'm trying to do a FFE -> stargate, when do I get the msc and such? The OP links a bunch of WoL stuff, is this still relevant?

On July 05 2013 22:38 Teoita wrote:


Check out the replay pack rsvp released a while ago for full air stuff.

I personally don't really do it, but i've been playing around a lot with going stargate>fast third>3star void, getting 6-8 voids (not entirely sure on the exact count yet) and then switching into zealot/archon like sos did at the wcs finals.

On July 05 2013 22:32 vhapter wrote:


I stole Rain's PvZ stargate from proleague vods - it's stargate --> extra gateways --> robo. You can get your robo before adding any extra gateways though. I've noticed Rain did that a couple of weeks ago in proleague, not sure why. I've also compared Rain's build (the gateway into robo version) with MC's stargate, which is described in the PvZ guide.

I'm not sure why you're supposed to get your 3 extra gateways up so late with MC's build. So I'd personally stick to Rain's benchmarks, which are tighter imo. Even if you feel like switching things up here and there, I find his timings to be a really solid reference for this PvZ style.

Rain-------------------------------MC
| 5:30 | Stargate.........| 6:00 | Stargate
| 5:45 | 3rd/4th gas.....| 6:20 | 3rd/4th gas
| 7:00 | gates.............| 7:50 | gates
| 7:40 | robo...............| 8:35 | robo
| 8:00 | +1 atk............| 5:00 | +1 atk
| 8:15 | msc............... *wol = no msc*
| 8:45 | robo bay.........| 9:40+ | robo bay
| 9:20-9:40 | twilight....| ??? | twilight
| 9:20-9:40 | third........| 10:10+ | third

PvZ Stargate - vods from proleague

Rain vs Rare
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Parting vs Hydra
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On July 05 2013 22:44 Tacopuff wrote:



Wow this looks like exactly what I am looking for, thank you!
Are you sure this is safe agaisnt everything? (looks rather greedy to me but what do I know) What deviations could be made? Do you ever need to abondon the build because of zerg going a particular tech route? Im sorry If i ask alot of questions maybe I should have opened a thread about it instead =/

-Tacopuff



(Edit: I understand this build is very crisp therefore easy to mess up the timings, Is it very dependant on skill like being super effective with phoenixes, forcefields? I am ready to lose alot of games for the sake of practise but Im no Rain)

On July 06 2013 10:15 eNtitY~ wrote:
I heard Immortal/Archon became the new Meta in PvP, I don't understand how you beat mass colossus with that.