The HotS Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 263

On June 23 2015 00:31 seph` wrote:
hello people!
it passed some time since i got back to sc2, and now i'm looking for current bo's for zerg.

is blade555's stuff still viable?

On June 23 2015 14:38 HellHound wrote:

Properly executed queen hydra nydus is sure kill vs this
For late game you either need to go super greedy into muta corruptor ling since 90 apm won't be that helpful in defending
Or go into queen corruptor viper infestor with mass creep (need practice for this annoying to control well)

On June 25 2015 10:19 A_Scarecrow wrote:
hi im playing in a private tournament tomorrow and my next match is a zvz. my opponent opens most of his zvz's 12p/11g speedling baneling. is there are a safe build to counter this? was thinking 14g/14p but not sure.

On June 23 2015 11:50 Aocowns wrote:
how do you beat 90 apm protoss on 4p maps that take a 6min 3rd off of forge first and then mass stargate units? fuck this retarded game

EDIT: he did the exact fucking build our next match on a 2p map, so i got a free win with a bane bust. I despise ladder

On June 25 2015 11:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Hydra Ling push @10:30-11:30. If he just starts massing Stargate units he won't have enough ground defensive units to deal with a proper timing attack. Lings just overwhelm everything and Hydras are really good.

On June 25 2015 11:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Hydra Ling push @10:30-11:30. If he just starts massing Stargate units he won't have enough ground defensive units to deal with a proper timing attack. Lings just overwhelm everything and Hydras are really good.

On June 30 2015 00:41 Aocowns wrote:

I dunno, that never really works for me on high master EU, and when it does it comes down to the protoss messing up micro or the map giving me an advantage in the attack. I usually have 14-17 hydras with range and a bunch of speedling ready to attack by the 11min mark. Or do I sacrifice saturation to simply have more units? Is it best tech up to hive behind it? infestors? double evo and go into roach hydra? spire to force phoenix and then hit again with more hydra ling/roach hydra?

On June 26 2015 07:49 therealkillemall wrote:
Hi all.

I have been having trouble in zvp while facing gate openers. I would like to have a greedy build but not insane. Most times I play vs gateway openers end up losing to some shitty allin or way behind in eco if they take a 3rd. I had the early game figured out against FFE but now being gate openers more common I'm kind of lost.

Thanks all for your help. For the swarm!

On June 30 2015 02:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Hm...I really don't see how he could hold back Ling Hydra if going straight to Stargate against ~50 Lings and ~14 Hydras. Maybe your saturation is messed up? I aim for 4 gas, 2 base mineral optimal saturation, and 10 drones mining on 3rd. From there I just make 14 Hydras and mass Lings and hit at 10:30. Always works if he's massing Stargate units and even worse if they have a 3rd base. Just swing to the base that's least defended and wreck it. From there make Roach Hydra, tech to Hive and get Vipers for ~15:00 follow up timing. Oftentimes just throwing more Ling Hydra works though since rushing to Stargate is so bad.

On June 26 2015 07:49 therealkillemall wrote:
Hi all.

I have been having trouble in zvp while facing gate openers. I would like to have a greedy build but not insane. Most times I play vs gateway openers end up losing to some shitty allin or way behind in eco if they take a 3rd. I had the early game figured out against FFE but now being gate openers more common I'm kind of lost.

Thanks all for your help. For the swarm!

On June 30 2015 02:18 FlyingBeer wrote:

Work on your map presence. You should be checking around for probes and watching the front of their natural with 4 early lings. If they aren't moving out, you should be droning. You can watch the gas of their natural. If they don't take it, they're probably going to attack, but don't depend on this as gas timings are unreliable reads. Get a few roaches between 7:30 and 8:00 if they don't take an early third. Gate first openings, 4 gates hit around 7:00. Forge first is around 7:30. Other attacks are later. Also, make sure your overlord is scouting between 6:00 and 7:00.

On June 30 2015 06:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I'll be speaking on the assumption you're opening with the standard 3 base ZvP macro opener.

First step is learning how to defend early MSC/Zealot/Stalker pressure. Pulling Queens and making a few Lings is oftentimes enough although you have to be a bit patient while your Queens waddle their way over. Spotting the pressure early is key so be careful so that you don't wait too long or you lose your third. From there the Protoss really doesn't have much options to be aggressive really early on unless they go for 4 gate. Just keep an eye on their natural gases and send an Overlord in to make sure between 5:45 and 6:00. Otherwise you can really just drone up freely.