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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 05 2013 04:30 Zheryn wrote: Why don't more protoss go probe scout (see no early pool) -> Nexus -> Gate -> Core? Is there a way to punish this with 15p 16h that I don't know of? Yes they wouldn't have cannons and would die to a ling all in. | ||
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Sek-Kuar
Czech Republic593 Posts
Compared to WoL, I can not rely on late game anymore, yet zerg mid game is now weaker, our harass was massively nerfed and T harass buffed. I have never seen any major imbalance in ZvT in WoL, yet in HotS all aspects of game at every stage were made harder and more risky for zerg... Where exactly Im supposed to focus on? Harassing is harder, defense against harass is harder, mid game was nerfed and late game was nerfed - when should I try to win? | ||
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
On April 05 2013 06:40 Sek-Kuar wrote: I feel totally lost in ZvT. Compared to WoL, I can not rely on late game anymore, yet zerg mid game is now weaker, our harass was massively nerfed and T harass buffed. I have never seen any major imbalance in ZvT in WoL, yet in HotS all aspects of game at every stage were made harder and more risky for zerg... Where exactly Im supposed to focus on? Harassing is harder, defense against harass is harder, mid game was nerfed and late game was nerfed - when should I try to win? I feel the exact same thing. Although our late game is still quite strong, with ultras being buffed and all, getting there is nearly impossible. T starts throwing stuff at me (bio+mine) and no matter how I try I can't trade cost efficiently. If I'm sending in a few lings at a time to set off some widow mines, this gives him time to snipe one of my expansions. If I run in, even with 3 flanks, I half of my army still gets obliterated due to mines. I hate how we are forced to use ling-bling-muta now. Don't get me wrong, it's more fun than infestors, but in WoL you could at least go either way. Defending against drops is so impossible without mutas.. What the hell do we do? | ||
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kuebk
Poland15 Posts
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loginn
France815 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:07 kuebk wrote: Guys what you think about 14g 14p 15h against zvz? It's probably still worse than 15 pool 16h 16g | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On April 05 2013 07:29 loginn wrote: It's probably still worse than 15 pool 16h 16g Actually i think 14g/14p/21h is way better on the ladder than 15p/16h/16g because - You have early map control, good to scout what your opponent preppares - You are safe against any sort of all-in, and it's BO-win against the mighty 8-10 pool - You can chose to be agressive or defensive, and your opponent doesnt know what you'll do. Just pull 2 drones from gas when you got 100, if your opponents expanded fast. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 05 2013 14:36 Insoleet wrote: Actually i think 14g/14p/21h is way better on the ladder than 15p/16h/16g because - You have early map control, good to scout what your opponent preppares - You are safe against any sort of all-in, and it's BO-win against the mighty 8-10 pool - You can chose to be agressive or defensive, and your opponent doesnt know what you'll do. Just pull 2 drones from gas when you got 100, if your opponents expanded fast. Eh 15 pool 16 h 16 gas is still better economically. 14/14/21 you kind of have to make speedlings and try to do damage or you will fall way way behind economically. | ||
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FS_SlimJim
29 Posts
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Prugelhugel
Austria637 Posts
ZvP, please, tell me how to beat this lategame combo... I wasn't able to do this with an advantage of 2 bases... Anyone any ideas? | ||
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pwncakery
Canada131 Posts
On April 05 2013 06:40 Sek-Kuar wrote: I feel totally lost in ZvT. Compared to WoL, I can not rely on late game anymore, yet zerg mid game is now weaker, our harass was massively nerfed and T harass buffed. I have never seen any major imbalance in ZvT in WoL, yet in HotS all aspects of game at every stage were made harder and more risky for zerg... Where exactly Im supposed to focus on? Harassing is harder, defense against harass is harder, mid game was nerfed and late game was nerfed - when should I try to win? Same. I'm getting absolutely rocked. 68% winrate vT in wol to 36% in hots. I played a very heavy ling/bane macro style...everything that the terran got in hots is really good at killing that. Widow mines are hugely frustrating to play against right now. | ||
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Rigelfour
3 Posts
Here is a video of catZ doing exactly what i mean (@00:09:15) http://www.twitch.tv/rootcatz/b/386814684 | ||
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Ender142
14 Posts
On April 05 2013 21:47 Rigelfour wrote: i have a question about morphing drones into buildings. I often see pro player streams where they create two vespene extractors in a split-second, selecting multiple drones, where the nearest drone then morphes into the extractor. I tried to replicate this process with several shift-holding methods. But nothing comes close to the "pro technique". When i try to build multiple spinecrawlers for example, holding down only the hotkey and not pressing shift at all, it works like a charm. But this works only for spinecrawlers an nothing else. Here is a video of catZ doing exactly what i mean (@00:09:15) http://www.twitch.tv/rootcatz/b/386814684 Box over workers, select build, select extractor, hold shift, click first gyser, click second gyser. Only 2 workers will pull off of mining, and will go build both extractors at the same time. | ||
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
On April 05 2013 22:09 Ender142 wrote: Box over workers, select build, select extractor, hold shift, click first gyser, click second gyser. Only 2 workers will pull off of mining, and will go build both extractors at the same time. Or just click b-e twice, instead of holding shift. Whatever you prefer. | ||
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sas911
Canada113 Posts
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Grobbles
United Kingdom16 Posts
As the reaper opening is 99% of the time transitioned into hellions? | ||
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
On April 06 2013 02:11 Grobbles wrote: Due to the constant reaper openings from Terran is a kind of Spanishiwa ish 4 queen and delayed gas an effective opening? As the reaper opening is 99% of the time transitioned into hellions? If you scout an early gas, which can mean reapers, get a gas yourself, get speed. Still go 4 queen though. If no gas: go 4 queen. | ||
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Tribuno
Italy261 Posts
2. in my experience air toss in very very late game (like many carriers, void and some templars in some cases) is pretty much unbeatable.. my army was melt instantly every time i try to fight toss.. what do you think? should i attack before toss has the "final" army? or what? | ||
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Tikihut
United States10 Posts
2. In zvz when are you suppose to take a 4th base? (Assuming muta vs muta) | ||
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
On April 06 2013 02:11 Grobbles wrote: Due to the constant reaper openings from Terran is a kind of Spanishiwa ish 4 queen and delayed gas an effective opening? As the reaper opening is 99% of the time transitioned into hellions? assuming you're talking about 18 supply fast 3rd since I believe I do the same opening. early 3 hatch queens with no gas can deal with reapers just fine, you don't need speed. it's really important to have a spine at ur 3rd and 3 queens together at ur nat otherwise you can lose queens to 1/2 reaper 6 hellion pressure. getting a few defensive roaches is useful against more than 4 hellions though. | ||
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