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Make sure you read the OP before asking a question. Asking a question already addressed in the OP will result in moderation action. Also, please put some effort into your questions.
noSec
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil37 Posts
January 02 2014 01:11 GMT
#4541
Hey guys,
I'm recently back to sc2 and it's my first time trying Mech vs Z in Hots and i have a question. Is mutalisk now "stronger" against Thor? Cause i remember in WoL that 3 thors would make those muta packs shit their pants, now i kinda get rolled by muta packs with like 5, 6 thors in my mix...
HTOMario
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States439 Posts
January 02 2014 02:28 GMT
#4542
On January 02 2014 10:11 noSec wrote:
Hey guys,
I'm recently back to sc2 and it's my first time trying Mech vs Z in Hots and i have a question. Is mutalisk now "stronger" against Thor? Cause i remember in WoL that 3 thors would make those muta packs shit their pants, now i kinda get rolled by muta packs with like 5, 6 thors in my mix...


Throwing in a few vikings, ravens or widow mines in helps a lot.vikings help vs brood lords, mines help vs roaches and ravens help vs well... Ravens are just really good.
GM Mech T
Tzela
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada48 Posts
January 02 2014 02:47 GMT
#4543
sooooo with new ladder season coming up, anyone put any thought into the new maps? Daedelus Point looks particularly rough for terran from my (limited) point of view. short rush distance between nats, exposed third, not much cliff space for reapers but lots for blink stalkers, and the main ramp can be ff'd from the lowground outside the nat. with no real good 1 base aggressive builds to turn to v p, how will i solve the problem of securing the nat?

will your builds be changing much for this map?
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8160 Posts
January 02 2014 04:29 GMT
#4544
On January 02 2014 11:47 Tzela wrote:
sooooo with new ladder season coming up, anyone put any thought into the new maps? Daedelus Point looks particularly rough for terran from my (limited) point of view. short rush distance between nats, exposed third, not much cliff space for reapers but lots for blink stalkers, and the main ramp can be ff'd from the lowground outside the nat. with no real good 1 base aggressive builds to turn to v p, how will i solve the problem of securing the nat?

will your builds be changing much for this map?


i'll be vetoing

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Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
January 02 2014 04:57 GMT
#4545
On January 02 2014 10:11 noSec wrote:
Hey guys,
I'm recently back to sc2 and it's my first time trying Mech vs Z in Hots and i have a question. Is mutalisk now "stronger" against Thor? Cause i remember in WoL that 3 thors would make those muta packs shit their pants, now i kinda get rolled by muta packs with like 5, 6 thors in my mix...

unless you are putting your thors into single shot mode, there shouldn't be any changes.
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 17:25:57
January 02 2014 17:07 GMT
#4546
http://drop.sc/369374

Can someone please explain TvP to me? Or do I just suck so bad that I should be bronze?
Im just going back to scv pulls....
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
tomahawk077
Profile Joined July 2013
20 Posts
January 02 2014 17:41 GMT
#4547
Hi guys!

I only have a few very specific question about the 2 base blink stalker play, could you have a look, even if you don't want to watch the replay? I'd be glad to have your opinion about it and see if you have the same thoughts about this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439287

thx!
Bronzebarcode
Profile Joined January 2014
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-02 21:34:24
January 02 2014 21:33 GMT
#4548
Can terran just sit back and macro up to 200/200 or do we need to be active with the first medivacs and drops? I have been trying to macro up but its not working..terrans absolutely needs to be aggressive or Im just not macroing good enough?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 02 2014 23:20 GMT
#4549
On January 03 2014 06:33 Bronzebarcode wrote:
Can terran just sit back and macro up to 200/200 or do we need to be active with the first medivacs and drops? I have been trying to macro up but its not working..terrans absolutely needs to be aggressive or Im just not macroing good enough?

Absolutely agressive with bio. Drop half for the scouting, half for the damage it causes. With stim, your great bio strength is stimming into a place with zero defense and gtfo'ing with no losses.

TvT if he's a meching player with 50 turrets, you're allowed to go a base or two up on him and sometimes that means you hit 200/200 with higher upgrades before him. I say sometimes because if this involves a fast third, you're looking to punish the new area he has to defend with sieging cliffs, sieging natural, taking some losses on weakest area of turrets. Very situational against a 2-base mech terran, usually inadequate against any 3base TvT.

Even in Mech TvZ, you stay agressive with hellion drops and runby's and doing siege pushes to fourths and the like.
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JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 02 2014 23:49 GMT
#4550
Hey hey TL Terrans. Couldn't find this one in the OP, Halp plz!

TvP Early Game:
What do you think is the best way to deal with Dear's 10 Gate Pressure Opening.

10 Gate
10 Gas
Crono Probes 2x
15 Core
Zealot
17 Pylon
Msc chrono
stalker chrono
24 pylon
stalker

The attack hits pretty fast with the zeal and MSC followed by the 2 stalkers. I don't have a replay, but if you really need one let me know and I'll go fetch it

Thanks!
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Tzela
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada48 Posts
January 03 2014 00:30 GMT
#4551
On January 03 2014 02:41 tomahawk077 wrote:
Hi guys!

I only have a few very specific question about the 2 base blink stalker play, could you have a look, even if you don't want to watch the replay? I'd be glad to have your opinion about it and see if you have the same thoughts about this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439287

thx!


did you see this guys post and replay?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439368
Bronzebarcode
Profile Joined January 2014
7 Posts
January 03 2014 05:09 GMT
#4552
In TvT how do I beat a mech player who ends up maxing with tanks and vikings? I was bio with some tanks. I couldnt do much with drops because he had lots of planetary fortress and 5-6 turrets in each base...
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
January 03 2014 07:14 GMT
#4553
On January 03 2014 14:09 Bronzebarcode wrote:
In TvT how do I beat a mech player who ends up maxing with tanks and vikings? I was bio with some tanks. I couldnt do much with drops because he had lots of planetary fortress and 5-6 turrets in each base...


Hard to help you without a replay, we can't really know what you're doing wrong. There's some tips for bio vs mech in the op.
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B-rye88
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada168 Posts
January 03 2014 15:49 GMT
#4554
On January 03 2014 08:49 JaKaTaK wrote:
Hey hey TL Terrans. Couldn't find this one in the OP, Halp plz!

TvP Early Game:
What do you think is the best way to deal with Dear's 10 Gate Pressure Opening.

10 Gate
10 Gas
Crono Probes 2x
15 Core
Zealot
17 Pylon
Msc chrono
stalker chrono
24 pylon
stalker

The attack hits pretty fast with the zeal and MSC followed by the 2 stalkers. I don't have a replay, but if you really need one let me know and I'll go fetch it

Thanks!


Assuming a fast expand build; something like a 13gas reaper.

Getting that bunker on 20 with a fast expand build is mandatory IMO.

Reaper should be spotting the zealot coming across the map, taking pot shots, and getting in the bunker to deflect the zealot while 2 marines are in the main. As soon as you can have enough rines in the main to hold the MSC as well as have some in the bunker, get your reaper out for a scout + harass to force units to come home and/or be made, further delaying aggression and tech/expansion.

You should need to pull and lose some SCV's when the stalkers go for a walk-by. This still a very good trade for your in return for having 2 orbitals up when your opponent doesn't expand until ~30 supply and has to deal with the reaper harass at home. *Anecdotal* I think losing 5-6 SCV's is probably fine here given the delay of tech and economy in his build.

Dunmer
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom568 Posts
January 03 2014 16:00 GMT
#4555
Its 12 gas reaper and mine 100 gas for reaper and reactor just for clarity. If you go 13 your basically going for a 1/1/1 build.
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JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
January 03 2014 17:35 GMT
#4556
Thanks B-rye I'll test soon!
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Snusmumriken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden1717 Posts
January 03 2014 21:12 GMT
#4557
these new maps are fucking horrible. I was master last season and I keep losing to fucking goldleague. Blink allins are just way way too fucking strong. Seriously, fuck you blizzard you incompetent *****

User was temp banned for this post.
Amove for Aiur
mau5mat
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Northern Ireland461 Posts
January 03 2014 21:15 GMT
#4558
Yeah I agree, new maps are absolute dog.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
January 03 2014 21:37 GMT
#4559
Not for me, not at least so far. I don't try and play standard, but for my cheesy odd ass it's working out just fine.

Daedlus, dat natural ramp tho
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Dunmer
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom568 Posts
January 03 2014 22:44 GMT
#4560
Blink allins are very strong in any map with lots of cliff space around the main. Marine tank 2 base allin my brethen! They cant move down the main to natural ramp without taking tank fire, if they go templar dont do it though ^^
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