EPT[G] Protoss Hotkeys 101 - Page 4
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Tamagoyaki
United States7 Posts
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On November 01 2012 08:52 Tamagoyaki wrote: I have been trying to incorporate camera hotkeys into my play, but for some reason I can never get the bindings correct. Every time i press shift+f2 to bind the camera hotkey to f2 it doesn't work. Am I supposed to change something in the settings or is shift+f2 not the correct key combination to bind camera hotkeys. Are you correctly changing all your Hotkey settings? You have to change both the "make camera location X" hotkey and the "jump to location X" hotkey under Global - Camera. | ||
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RemarK
United States452 Posts
On November 01 2012 08:52 Tamagoyaki wrote: I have been trying to incorporate camera hotkeys into my play, but for some reason I can never get the bindings correct. Every time i press shift+f2 to bind the camera hotkey to f2 it doesn't work. Am I supposed to change something in the settings or is shift+f2 not the correct key combination to bind camera hotkeys. You have to change the bindings in your settings, the default camera hotkey bindings are really inconvenient and awkward. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
On October 27 2012 06:50 RemarK wrote: Hmmm, I have trouble recommending any radically different hotkey structures (DarkGrid, TheCore, Chameleon, etc) for people of any league once they've got muscle memory for Default / the Grid hotkeys due to their steep learning curve. Here's a further explanation: If you're a lower league player, you need to focus on basic mechanics. I haven't seen any evidence for these more complicated hotkey setups producing faster mechanical growth (although I'll definitely accept that they are optimized in the sense that your finger motions are more economical and efficient). For a lower league player to drop the mechanics they have to re-learn a more complicated scheme that will take longer to master is a tough sell to make. If you're a pro or competitive level player, then chances are you already have good mechanics. It might be possible that you could achieve a higher level of mechanical proficiency by switching over to TheCore, but you'd have a steep learning curve where you are only capable of practicing mechanics and everyone else is both improving their mechanics AND developing new builds, keeping up with the metagame, etc. I guess the way I see it is, you can already be very, very competent mechanically with default hotkeys using only minor adjustments. And as far as I can tell, there's no proof that once you get over the learning curve you improve faster. As an example from one of the testimonials in your thread: "Top 8 gold 50% Win rate Standard keys Top 25 Gold 0% win rate The Core 1-5days Top 8 Gold 50% win rate The core 1 week- 2 weeks Top 25 Plat 60%-70% win rate 2 weeks +" This guy spent 5 days~ of practice to get back to his former skill level, where he remained for 2 weeks~, then got promoted to plat. That looks like an average / standard rate of skill progression to me - I think if he practiced as hard as he did after switching to TheCore, he would have gotten promoted in the same amount of time (2 weeks) minus the learning curve of new hotkeys (5 days). I'll talk to Sandbox sometime and learn more about how it's affected his level of play, but I have trouble recommending Hotkey setups that are so different from standard hotkeys to anyone who already has muscle memory. I tried the DarkGrid setup for 2-3 weeks and found that even once I was used to it, my mechanics weren't any better than before and I had fallen behind my peers substantially in that time. I don't think the steep learning curve is worth the relatively small (potentially non-existent) reward. For a new player though, someone with no muscle memory at all, then TheCore or any of those other setups could be a good fit, as the learning curve would be even with the normal hotkeys. I completely agree with this, having to unlearn stuff that was convenient before is terribly hard and annoying. If you're already somewhat used to the standard keys just adjusting a few is far more efficient than going for The Core or something imo. Some keys in the core are also to close to eachother imo, only using the left side of the keyboard is not optimal per se, not having to reach and not having to press keys too close to eachother quickly are ideal for me because than I can use two fingers. Something like x => c is not fast for me because I have to do both with the same finger while stuff like b=> a while far apart goes really quick. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
6. Rebind tilde (the button next to ‘1’ on most keyboards, looks like `) to something useful – personally, I have it bound to “Select idle worker Thought I was the only one who did this. Not literally, obviously.. but never seen anybody else use it. My immortal is D (so is Thor, because I change building lift/land to T) | ||
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RemarK
United States452 Posts
On November 01 2012 10:55 Zenbrez wrote: Thought I was the only one who did this. Not literally, obviously.. but never seen anybody else use it. My immortal is D (so is Thor, because I change building lift/land to T) Ah, that works too. Also, just updated the OP with 5 more tips! Thanks to the people who posted in this for their good feedback - I credited the posters who suggested things I hadn't thought of next to their tip. Here's what I added to the OP: Tip #4: by SC2John. Rebind guardian shield to 'r' to prevent accidentally casting it instead of FF or hold position. Also, rebind "Build Cybernetics Core" to 'r' for greater convenience. Tip #5: by Tetoita. Rebind blink to a more convenient key, such as 'e' for example. Tip #6: by ant-1. Remember to hide the menu hotkeys from the top of screen for greater vision, and you should make the hotkeys unclickable to prevent misclicks while microing your units. Also, disable the pop-up alerts on the left side of the screen for the same reasons. Tip #7: You can change 'w' to a control group for your gateways instead of warp-in - this will allow you to still warp units in by pressing 'w' while also allowing you to conveniently check the progress of your cooldowns and morph additional gateways as soon as they finish. Tip #8: You can hotkey your stargate on control group 6 and then rebind the production hotkeys for easier access. What I'm trying out now is: 'e' for build phoenix, 'r' for build void ray, and 't' for build carrier. All those are right underneath 6 and quite natural to reach. | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
On November 01 2012 10:52 Markwerf wrote: I completely agree with this, having to unlearn stuff that was convenient before is terribly hard and annoying. If you're already somewhat used to the standard keys just adjusting a few is far more efficient than going for The Core or something imo. Some keys in the core are also to close to eachother imo, only using the left side of the keyboard is not optimal per se, not having to reach and not having to press keys too close to eachother quickly are ideal for me because than I can use two fingers. Something like x => c is not fast for me because I have to do both with the same finger while stuff like b=> a while far apart goes really quick. TheCore is set up in a way that you almost never press two keys with the same finger in a row during a game unless double tapping to jump to a location. Even then, the ease of all 8 camera locations make this action less frequent. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On November 01 2012 23:16 JaKaTaK wrote: TheCore is set up in a way that you almost never press two keys with the same finger in a row during a game unless double tapping to jump to a location. Even then, the ease of all 8 camera locations make this action less frequent. I never really liked the Core, spent about 2 months trying to get the hang of it, just felt wrong and awkward. While its obviously worked for some, I definitely prefer standard layouts with just a few modifications. | ||
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ApocAlypsE007
Israel1007 Posts
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RemarK
United States452 Posts
On November 02 2012 03:06 ApocAlypsE007 wrote: I'm playing now for almost a week trying to play with no screen scroll (To force myself out of scrolling muscle memory) and I find I have trouble controlling my scouting probe and my army. Should I middle mouse scroll to adjust the screen or is there more efficient solution? I think it's good to try to minimize your usage of screen scroll (especially for macro actions and jumping between bases) but there's no need to eliminate it entirely - you should feel free to screen scroll when controlling your scouts / army, especially if you're having trouble controlling as well without it. You can use middle mouse but I think screen scroll is more natural than using the middle mouse anyays | ||
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silph
United States2 Posts
Here's my setup. 1-5: Control groups 1-5 QWERT: Control groups 6-0 F1-F4: Base camera keys Space Bar: Camera key usually used for current warp in location. All spells are bound in grid format to ZXCVB. All other functions are bound somewhere within ASDFG and ZXCVB, specifics depending on taste. 1-5 is production and QWERT is strictly for army hotkeys. It's really great having five super-accessible hotkeys to work with for units. This works wonderfully for me and as a result I've been able to start focusing more on improving my decision making and timings than my mechanics. | ||
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RemarK
United States452 Posts
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frostalgia
United States178 Posts
A few other minor moves I thought were useful: (from default setup) - Last Alert to 'Alt'. (it already looks like the word alert) I wasn't using Alt nearly enough for how accessible it is. This key is only useful to me for snapping directly to wherever you're being attacked. (I also use Space Bar as Base Camera.) - Patrol to 'Y', Hold Position to 'Z'. I found this was a much easier fix than switching Guardian Shield, Z is a much easier key for quickly holding units in place. - ctrl group 'Q' (0) for all my bases. This makes it really easy to make workers/chrono, and spam Q-W to check bases/gates. - ctrl group '2' for Robo/Stargates. This is easiest position for me to quickly make units. (i use S for obs and R for immo) - ctrl group '3, 4, 5' for Army. These are easiest keys to followup with an 'A'-click, while using F, G, T, and R for blink, etc.. - '~' (tilde) as a camera key for quick warps.. ctrl group '1' as scout or warp prism (or another base), 6 worker, 7 obs, 'U' upgrades. also can use 'J' as a ctrl group for gates or tech.. its an easier reach than 9 and usually has a ridge in the key. - Idle Worker, Ping, Team Colors, and Minimap Terrain to F5-F8. (I find these functions more convenient here.) - Load units to 'G'. This works in tandem with Drop as D and the prism phasing mode buttons as E and T. It's all about finding what works best for you, but try to make it as comfortable as possible to press your most-used keys frequently. The less you have to move your hand the better you'll play, just make small changes after a game here and there to adjust, try not to introduce a whole bunch of changes at once, it's harder on your muscle memory. Optimizing my hotkeys has really helped me with wrist strain over a long period of time, and like RemarK said, it is one of the most under-discussed topics. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
will try rebinding blink. good idea | ||
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RemarK
United States452 Posts
On November 09 2012 19:59 frostalgia wrote: It's all about finding what works best for you, but try to make it as comfortable as possible to press your most-used keys frequently. The less you have to move your hand the better you'll play, just make small changes after a game here and there to adjust, try not to introduce a whole bunch of changes at once, it's harder on your muscle memory. Optimizing my hotkeys has really helped me with wrist strain over a long period of time, and like RemarK said, it is one of the most under-discussed topics. Great point, and exactly the way I feel as well. I suffered from wrist pain briefly too, and changing around my hotkeys helped a lot more than I had expected it to. | ||
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RandomRice
United States303 Posts
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RemarK
United States452 Posts
On November 12 2012 18:01 RandomRice wrote: whoaa, tip 7 just blew my mind, that is really helpful! Yeah, it's definitely the best change I've made myself recently. It's very intuitive and doesn't take long to get used to. The only downside is there will be fumbling where you spam w and your camera jumps to your hotkeyed Gateways while you're getting used to the change. | ||
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Agh
United States911 Posts
shift + q to a camera selection, q to recall that. (just hit qw quickly to center camera for your warpins during an engagement, set on your proxy pylon) usually have people asking how I warpin fast and efficiently, thats how. | ||
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freizya
United States223 Posts
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freizya
United States223 Posts
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