EPT[D] TvZ Ladder Edition: Why not CC first on every - Page 3
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
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netherh
United Kingdom333 Posts
On September 05 2012 23:25 U_G_L_Y wrote: The supply depot is done. It is the barracks that you are finishing when lings arrive. You can repair the depot. Whoops, good point. Still, you can fit ~10 lings around the barracks and kill it in 20 seconds, so I'm not sure that helps. | ||
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coldscars
Germany141 Posts
if you see 6pool cancel cc built barracks with ur scoutin workers and then built a bunker behind the mineral line ur scouting worker built the rax. and fly their is almost guarenteed win | ||
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Jikan No Muda
39 Posts
I think Korean Terrans are switching to it because they can rely on their control and map awareness to fight back in to the game and secure a reasonable 3rd. A bunch of queens is a defensive build yet it forces Terrans to cut corners a lot to keep up economically. In my experience it is harder to deny zerg information, figure out what they are doing in time, keep the threat of attack on them and time your expansions in away that you can stay in the game compared to forcing as much stuff early on as possible and delaying the third base. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
On September 05 2012 22:18 TheDwf wrote: ? You can use the same Hellions/Banshees follow-up as you would with 1 rax FE. You don't have any earlier pressure going 1 rax FE, you don't even have minerals to attempt a fake Bunker pressure and you get only 3 Marines before making add-ons with your Barracks. Honestly it's not a big deal, I doubt Zerg economy is light years ahead compared with gasless 5' third with earlier Queens. Thing is neither is your economy light years ahead. Rax first is actually really close to CC first in terms of economy. I just did a test and over an 11 minute build you gain 4 seconds by going CC first, it's nothing. Also the moment you feel the need to scout on 10 or build a bunker you end up equal or behind a rax first build. I mean CC first is fine, but it's not better than rax first. If you can bait out a 6 pool and win then that's fantastic, but most zergs know better. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
But I think that playing the same build with a more passive opening is a mistake because of when the econ advantage kicks in. My TvP build is so exact that if I lose more than 1 scv in the first 6 minutes or have to use a scan, I definitely feel like I am dirt poor. In the other two matchups, I don't have anything figured out yet so I make it up on the fly. But for someone that actually plays more than once a week and doesn't just lurk TL from work and post from their phone, I would think that the extra 3 scvs and earlier mule would make a huge difference... | ||
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nottapro
202 Posts
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smoosh
31 Posts
But for someone that actually plays more than once a week and doesn't just lurk TL from work and post from their phone Hey =( I just don't have the time to play a lot. | ||
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LeftY_
Canada15 Posts
On September 05 2012 12:11 guN-viCe wrote: Mmm... I love posts that have research behind them. Do you have any stats for the difference between CC-before-rax and rax-before-CC(economy wise)? at 5:00 12 rax 16 cc (1 depot) 700 mineral income. 14cc (i like it because of rax timing, 15 cc is weird) 1000 mineral income | ||
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UPro-BW
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xTrim
472 Posts
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On September 06 2012 04:56 smoosh wrote: Hey =( I just don't have the time to play a lot. Lol, I was referring to myself. =) | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On September 06 2012 06:43 xTrim wrote: I have a friend that goes roach ling all in at 6:30... how can you possibly hold that? the all in consists of 10 ish lings, 6 roachs and streaming speedlings It leaves at 6:30 or hits at 6:30? 1 hatch or two? | ||
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EndOfLineTv
United States741 Posts
I am 1450-1500 Masters this season zerg. and I 12 pool expand nearly every zvt. Vs 1 rax expand, I can get my 6 lings there in time to kill the scv making the cc, and kill all the rines. Pretty much force the cancel, and I am ahead. With CC first. My lings get there RIGHT when its done. Then the CC is lifted up, and I am behind. ^_^ | ||
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xTrim
472 Posts
On September 06 2012 06:47 U_G_L_Y wrote: It leaves at 6:30 or hits at 6:30? 1 hatch or two? hits at 630... and 2 hatches... the build is 15h-15p-17 gas.. then speed, then roach warren and flood | ||
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Orek
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I had been long wondering if anyone benefited from the work that took me hours to finish. Thanks for using it | ||
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On September 06 2012 08:25 superbarnie wrote: I don't get it. The rax doesn't have time to finish and his lings just kill the rax and then i lose. What's your rax timing? | ||
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M4nkind
Lithuania178 Posts
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