• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:52
CEST 14:52
KST 21:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play1Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch0[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)90ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo40Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0
StarCraft 2
General
Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Old Replays From 1.4.6
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? ProGamer Paychecks Story Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 13098 users

[G] StimmedProbe's Postpatch TvZ Build #2 4xThor - Page 4

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Xingke
Profile Joined August 2005
United States78 Posts
July 14 2012 03:23 GMT
#61
On July 13 2012 17:23 StimmedProbe wrote:
Now that you mention this, I have lost in the exact same way on the exact same map o.o I guess you gotta sniff it out with the hellion? It's a pretty rare build though so I guess just scout more, not much you can do once it starts.



Yea, it was just awkward for the very first time I try it that happens -_-.

That being said it did work rather nicely in the other games I tried it. I never had games end with the push but I was able to do enough damage(in all but 1 game) to kill them on a followup push.

The 1 game it didn't work so well it turned into a long drawn out game but I was still able to win due to massive corrupter/bl clumping vs thors(lols).

I like it as a build to have in your pocket but I don't really like the style as a main go to build personally.
Setev
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Malaysia390 Posts
July 14 2012 03:32 GMT
#62
How well does this hold up against Stephano style 10-11 minute max army? Day 9 covered this Zerg build...
I'm the King Of Nerds
DougJDempsey
Profile Joined April 2010
747 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 04:09:51
July 14 2012 04:07 GMT
#63
On July 14 2012 12:32 Setev wrote:
How well does this hold up against Stephano style 10-11 minute max army? Day 9 covered this Zerg build...


.... Thats a ZvP build..

Ive never seen anyone do it vs terran..
JustPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
United States211 Posts
July 14 2012 04:17 GMT
#64
On July 14 2012 12:32 Setev wrote:
How well does this hold up against Stephano style 10-11 minute max army? Day 9 covered this Zerg build...
If you don't scout it and don't make tanks you will lose.
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
July 14 2012 04:25 GMT
#65
Finally some terrans spent some time working on a build. I might have to harvest some of my own tears if they are really going so high right now on the market.
(zerg player).
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
July 14 2012 05:45 GMT
#66
On July 14 2012 13:25 9-BiT wrote:
Finally some terrans spent some time working on a build. I might have to harvest some of my own tears if they are really going so high right now on the market.
(zerg player).


Just don't...
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 14 2012 06:13 GMT
#67
Don't worry, 9m/16scv rushing @ 4:25 has gotten me a nice supply of zerg tears
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
July 14 2012 09:21 GMT
#68
I think you should note that since this build is so tight, you can't use energy on a scan under any circumstances as it will delay your push tremendously. I just did that, and against a player who went 8 mutas he owned my push with mass Roaches, although admittedly my macro wasn't very good at all, I feel like the scan delayed my push by 30 seconds or so due to lack of minerals.

Replay of this: http://drop.sc/221761
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
July 14 2012 10:50 GMT
#69
What's the Zerg hard counter? Cheers.
ujonecro
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom846 Posts
July 14 2012 11:04 GMT
#70
On July 14 2012 19:50 jimbob615 wrote:
What's the Zerg hard counter? Cheers.


1. Scout
2. Delay
3. Engage at spines if possible
4. Surround with your whole army in one big attack
5. Roach for thors and banes for scv/marine
6. Transfuse on spine/roach with queens
7. Collect ladder points
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
July 14 2012 11:40 GMT
#71
On July 14 2012 20:04 ujonecro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 19:50 jimbob615 wrote:
What's the Zerg hard counter? Cheers.


1. Scout
2. Delay
3. Engage at spines if possible
4. Surround with your whole army in one big attack
5. Roach for thors and banes for scv/marine
6. Transfuse on spine/roach with queens
7. Collect ladder points


lings are much better then roaches vs thor really, don't need roaches vs this stuff. Just need enough ling/bane with some upgrades and good targeting of the banes. Thor's are incredibly ineffective vs lings because they overkill on each shot. You have to take out the scv's first though but that isn't as difficult anymore as it used to be.
yoona2012
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark196 Posts
July 14 2012 11:43 GMT
#72
On July 14 2012 19:50 jimbob615 wrote:
What's the Zerg hard counter? Cheers.

mass roach - zvp style opening.

Marines wont have combat shields, medivac support or any other upgrades and thus kind of suck vs roaches. Scv on autorepair will automatically be targeted by roaches without even trying. You wont need banelings or lings at all. Other option is infestors with neural upgrade.
yoona2012
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark196 Posts
July 14 2012 11:46 GMT
#73
On July 14 2012 20:40 Markwerf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 20:04 ujonecro wrote:
On July 14 2012 19:50 jimbob615 wrote:
What's the Zerg hard counter? Cheers.


1. Scout
2. Delay
3. Engage at spines if possible
4. Surround with your whole army in one big attack
5. Roach for thors and banes for scv/marine
6. Transfuse on spine/roach with queens
7. Collect ladder points


lings are much better then roaches vs thor really, don't need roaches vs this stuff. Just need enough ling/bane with some upgrades and good targeting of the banes. Thor's are incredibly ineffective vs lings because they overkill on each shot. You have to take out the scv's first though but that isn't as difficult anymore as it used to be.


this is true vs 1-2 thors where you get a nice surround, 4 thors with 12 marines and 16 scv will for a nice clump making lings a bad choice - while a critical amount of roaches can 1 or 2 shot a thor and no amount of autorepair will help
ujonecro
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom846 Posts
July 14 2012 11:48 GMT
#74
On July 14 2012 20:40 Markwerf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 20:04 ujonecro wrote:
On July 14 2012 19:50 jimbob615 wrote:
What's the Zerg hard counter? Cheers.


1. Scout
2. Delay
3. Engage at spines if possible
4. Surround with your whole army in one big attack
5. Roach for thors and banes for scv/marine
6. Transfuse on spine/roach with queens
7. Collect ladder points


lings are much better then roaches vs thor really, don't need roaches vs this stuff. Just need enough ling/bane with some upgrades and good targeting of the banes. Thor's are incredibly ineffective vs lings because they overkill on each shot. You have to take out the scv's first though but that isn't as difficult anymore as it used to be.


Thing is, if he is decent enough he puts those thors, or basically whole blob of marines/thors in a choke with scvs in front to tank everything and you just die.
yoona2012
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark196 Posts
July 14 2012 11:56 GMT
#75
On July 14 2012 20:48 ujonecro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2012 20:40 Markwerf wrote:
On July 14 2012 20:04 ujonecro wrote:
On July 14 2012 19:50 jimbob615 wrote:
What's the Zerg hard counter? Cheers.


1. Scout
2. Delay
3. Engage at spines if possible
4. Surround with your whole army in one big attack
5. Roach for thors and banes for scv/marine
6. Transfuse on spine/roach with queens
7. Collect ladder points


lings are much better then roaches vs thor really, don't need roaches vs this stuff. Just need enough ling/bane with some upgrades and good targeting of the banes. Thor's are incredibly ineffective vs lings because they overkill on each shot. You have to take out the scv's first though but that isn't as difficult anymore as it used to be.


Thing is, if he is decent enough he puts those thors, or basically whole blob of marines/thors in a choke with scvs in front to tank everything and you just die.


thing is that you dont need to engage him in a choke, since your buildings wont be under fire in a choke, and obviously zerg will want to delay and just wait for the economy to kick in nicely vs a 2 base terran with practically no upgrades and little tech. The only choke would be ramps so close to your natural that your creep should have been spread long from there and a thormarine push should never ever reach that far if you have min. 40 roaches out
UeberFuerst
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany17 Posts
July 14 2012 12:25 GMT
#76
This build looks quite awesome ! Reminds me in some way of 2BaseCollossus ... Rush for Hightech-Big-Units and support them with everything you have.

Question: Is it possible to build a second barracks instead of the Reactor and walloff your Natural with one Bunker and the two barracks? Or will this delay the Push too much? Thank You! :D
beep
Profile Joined April 2012
United States6 Posts
July 14 2012 16:13 GMT
#77
I love this build. I'm starting to get Zergs to complain about how Terran is OP again!
rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
July 14 2012 16:26 GMT
#78
I've done this build about a half dozen times in the last day or two in mid-master. It is a strong 2-base all-in. So far my losses have been either to a mistake on my part (your macro and timings need to be very tight), or to my opponent having just enough banes to kill my scvs/marines and mass roach targeting the thors.

It even worked against a toss player too oO
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
July 14 2012 16:41 GMT
#79
Which particular maps is this best on? I want to try it out, but also have a solid build that I'm liking at the moment, so I think I will switch between the two.
Iron_
Profile Joined April 2010
United States389 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-14 17:20:53
July 14 2012 17:15 GMT
#80
Both times I ran this build I got scouted very easily (low marine count, the superspeed overlord just waltzes in and sees everything).

Then they proceeded to make lings and banes. The first attack the bane splash killed all my scvs. I won the first battle in both cases, but they just pounded lings at the thors until they were all dead, then it turned into a laugher.

I think this is a good surprise build, but once it is out in the metagame that it is available, and zergs fly that overlord in to see the two factories, it will not work very often.

Great idea though, and I love how some zergs are taking this opportunity to pretend they are not OP

Edit: In the reps from Stimmedprobe, I think the big mistake of his opponents is chasing the marines with the banelings. This was the mistake. My opponents just A moved the banes and they crashed into the thors and killed all the scvs. The scvs are the key to this whole strat, and if they die so does your push. Splitting will of course help (and he split well), but I do believe that once zergs learn this strat we will just see a nice mass of banes followed by continuous rounds of lings.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
S6 Korea Server Qualifier
Maru vs PercivalLIVE!
Ryung 1392
CranKy Ducklings243
CranKy Ducklings SOOP16
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 1392
Lowko523
elazer 222
trigger 36
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 41316
Jaedong 1349
Mini 946
Hyuk 743
EffOrt 643
firebathero 531
Light 452
Soulkey 250
ggaemo 242
Snow 203
[ Show more ]
actioN 193
Leta 154
Mong 119
Rush 118
hero 110
Aegong 88
Hyun 67
Pusan 63
ToSsGirL 57
Sea.KH 56
[sc1f]eonzerg 42
Killer 38
Free 32
JYJ 32
yabsab 27
scan(afreeca) 22
Bale 21
Movie 21
HiyA 18
sorry 17
IntoTheRainbow 16
Sacsri 11
zelot 9
Terrorterran 9
Purpose 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
Icarus 5
Dota 2
Dendi847
XaKoH 682
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1665
x6flipin478
kRYSTAL_66
Other Games
singsing1681
B2W.Neo824
hiko518
crisheroes266
DeMusliM234
Pyrionflax198
Mew2King67
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 1331
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream440
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 71
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 9
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota274
League of Legends
• Nemesis2383
• Jankos2185
• TFBlade540
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
4h 8m
Bombastic Starleague
7h 8m
PiGosaur Cup
11h 8m
Kung Fu Cup
22h 8m
Replay Cast
1d 11h
CrankTV Team League
1d 22h
Bombastic Starleague
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
HomeStory Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
HomeStory Cup
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-29
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.