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Sif_
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil3106 Posts
November 15 2015 04:25 GMT
#7841
Nice. I'll be giving this a try once i have some days off at the end of the year! Hopefully the LotV version will be out by then!
SixtusTheFifth
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand170 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-24 09:00:47
November 15 2015 07:04 GMT
#7842
Here are the co-op keys I've found so far. When pasting these into the hotkey file it's safest to put them in alphabetically, during HotS when a lot of new keys were pasted in there were cases where the file would just drop keys rather than sort them if there were too many.


NOTE: Hidden conflicts can occur when Blizzard hardcode an unused ability to a key (say E). When someone (say a left handed Core user) sets a different key to E it may not work because the game thinks E is for something else.
I've noted possible conflicts below, these may need to be set to something else, (left handed to UIOP etc, right handed to QWER etc), or they may be legit and I just haven't unlocked them yet.
Post in this thread if you confirm either way.
Also: if you press a key and it doesn't work, it's not your imagination. Post in this thread which layout you use, the building and the key.



From previous post to save searching:
    The Arbiter from the Stargate:
    Arbiter/Stargate=
    Arbiter/StargateWarp=


    The Terran addons in the epilogue. Technically these are in TheCore but I banished them because until this expansion they were useless - I'm not even going to get started.
    TechReactorAI/Barracks=
    TechReactorAI/BarracksFlying=
    TechReactorAI/Factory=
    TechReactorAI/FactoryFlying=
    TechReactorAI/Starport=
    TechReactorAI/StarportFlying=


    Kerrigan's instagib in the epilogue:
    CelestialBeam/KerriganEpilogue02=


Hyperion
HyperionAdvancedPDD/HyperionVoidCoop=
HyperionVoidCoopHyperjump/HyperionVoidCoop=
HyperionVoidCoopYamatoCannon/HyperionVoidCoop=


Build Queen and abilities
QueenCoop=

BuildCreepTumor/QueenCoop=
MorphMorphalisk/QueenCoop=
Transfusion/QueenCoop=


Zagara & Launcher
MassRoachDrop/ZagaraVoidCoop=
ZagaraVoidCoopBanelingBarrage/ZagaraVoidCoop=
ZagaraVoidCoopBanelingSpawner/ZagaraVoidCoop=
ZagaraVoidCoopMassFrenzy/ZagaraVoidCoop=
ZagaraVoidCoopSpawnHunterKillers/ZagaraVoidCoop=

BileLauncherBombardment/BileLauncherZagara=



Swann's Drill L1 and L2 upgrades
ResearchDrakkenLaserDrillBFG/DrakkenLaserDrillCoop=
ResearchDrakkenLaserDrillNuke/DrakkenLaserDrillCoop=

Possible hidden conflicts concBeam, pulse cannon,broken drill on QER
These keys are hardcoded in the editor and may need to be reassigned (see above)
DrakkenLaserDrillBFG/DrakkenLaserDrillCoop=
DrakkenLaserDrillNuke/DrakkenLaserDrillCoop=
BrokenDrakkenLaserDrill/DrakkenLaserDrillCoop=



Zealot
Charge/ZealotAiur=
VoidZealotWhirlwind/ZealotAiur=



Robotics Bay
ResearchBarrier/RoboticsBay=
ResearchImprovedScatterCannon/RoboticsBay=
ResearchReaverIncreasedScarabCount/RoboticsBay=
ResearchReaverIncreasedScarabSplashRadius/RoboticsBay=



Twilight Council Singularity Charge, DarkCoil, Phase Reactor, Shadow Charge.
Please check if ResearchDragoonRange can share a key with one of the others as it is used by Artanis whereas the others are used by Vorazun.
ResearchDragoonRange/TwilightCouncil=
ResearchShadowStun/TwilightCouncil=
ResearchBlinkShieldRestoreUpgrade/TwilightCouncil=
ResearchShadowCharge/TwilightCouncil=

Possible hidden conflicts Trillic Compression Mesh, Whirlwind on ED
These keys are hardcoded in the editor and may need to be reassigned (see above)
ResearchDragoonChassis/TwilightCouncil=
ResearchWhirlwind/TwilightCouncil=



ScourgeNest Simplified Genome, Virulent Spores
EvolveScourgeGasCostReduction/ScourgeNest=
EvolveScourgeSplashDamage/ScourgeNest=

Scourge
DetonateScourge/Scourge=


I'll keep updating this post for Coop as I go through reports of missing keys and find them.

I'll be a bit blind at first as I'll have to put the keys here, but won't be able to confirm until I've leveled a hero to where the ability is available. There may be a bit of back and forth to sort out hidden conflicts. We will get there, but it won't be fast and it won't be fun.
newo4110
Profile Joined November 2015
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 22:48:32
November 15 2015 22:41 GMT
#7843
@SixtusTheFifth - I've been going through searching for all the hotkeys that currently don't have a front-end spot to change them.

My current list I'm updating is here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3sw8hi/not_all_hotkeys_can_be_changed/

I'll copy the current version of the text:

I submitted this as a bug on the bnet forum[1] , but am copying it here for those of you that may want to change your hotkeys.

Not all of the hotkeys are able to be changed for the campaign and co-op modes.

The ones I've ran across:

- Campaign (The Essence of Eternity): Xel'naga Kerigan - Celestial Beam
- Co-op mode (Kerrigan/Zagara): Queen - Spawn creep tumor
- Co-op mode (Zagara): Scourge Nest - Evolve Virulent Sporest
- Co-op mode (Zagara): Scourge Nest - Evolve Simplified Genome
- Co-op mode (Vorazun): Twilight Council - Upgrade Shadow Charge
- Co-op mode (Vorazun): Twilight Council - Upgrade Darkcoil
- Co-op mode (Vorazun): Twilight Council - Upgrade Phase Reactor
- Co-op mode (Vorazun): Fleet Beacon - Upgrade Disruption Web
- Co-op mode (Artanus): Twilight Council - Upgrade Singularity Charge
- Co-op mode (Artanus): Robotics Bay - Upgrade Barrier
- Co-op mode (Artanus): Zealot - Whirlwind
- Co-op mode (Artanus): Phoenix - Graviton Beam
- Co-op mode (Swann): Drakken Laser Drill - Upgrade Laser Drill Level 2
- Co-op mode (Raynor): Hyperion - Hyper Jump
- Co-op mode (Raynor): Hyperion - Yamato Cannon
- Co-op mode (Kerrigan/Zagara) The Command Card for Kerrigan/Zagara's egg shows the default hotkeys, not the ones for Kerrigan/Zagara (they switch as soon as she spawn's though)

I'll update this as I remember/run across more hotkeys that aren't changeable.

As an aside (this isn't a bug but it's bad enough that it should be...) but it's really annoying that you have to load into a multiplayer game to change the 'change hotkey' ui to multiplayer and then have to log into a campaign/coop game to change the 'change hotkey' ui to the campaign version. I'd suggest on the hotkeys ui to just have a different tab for each game mode.
SixtusTheFifth
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand170 Posts
November 16 2015 08:44 GMT
#7844
Thanks newo4110, updated.
Haighstrom
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom214 Posts
November 16 2015 11:56 GMT
#7845
Thanks Sixtus, Co-op hotkeys were making me go mad!
craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-16 17:29:15
November 16 2015 17:09 GMT
#7846
Is there a way to rebind the windows key to something more useful?

edit: So I downloaded some random key remapper and remapped the windows key as F12 (since the game doesn't recognize the windows key). Now I can use it as a camera key or whatever.
Hello World!
rfv14
Profile Joined October 2015
20 Posts
November 16 2015 17:30 GMT
#7847
I use KeyTweak to do it. There are also other programs (for example SharpKeys).
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
November 17 2015 15:31 GMT
#7848
Are any professional players using this layout?

I know there are some very high ranking GM's like Neuro using this layout, but I'm curious if any players on pro teams are using The Core.
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JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-17 17:23:33
November 17 2015 16:38 GMT
#7849
On November 15 2015 09:32 yz616 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2015 05:13 JaKaTaKSc2 wrote:
kk, working on TheCore 3.0 with beedebdoo!

www.twitch.tv/jakataktv



Could you share the multiplayer random layout for download that you made today :D


I could, but only left handed medium Random users for TheCore+ that use the QGMLWY typing layout would be able to use it. Also, even that layout is currently incomplete. Need to finish the seed files so we can use the remapper program in order to create the hundreds of variations we account for in the download section of TheCore.

On November 18 2015 00:31 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Are any professional players using this layout?

I know there are some very high ranking GM's like Neuro using this layout, but I'm curious if any players on pro teams are using The Core.


Neuro and PiG use TheCore and are on eXile 5 which is a professional team. Fenner also uses TheCore. StarNaN uses TheCore as well but has been inactive recently.

For Those of you looking to fully update your hotkeys. Here's the whole process:



Its a long video, meant as a sort of play along that will help you update your hotkeys as you are doing it.
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
November 17 2015 19:22 GMT
#7850
On November 18 2015 01:38 JaKaTaKSc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2015 09:32 yz616 wrote:
On November 15 2015 05:13 JaKaTaKSc2 wrote:
kk, working on TheCore 3.0 with beedebdoo!

www.twitch.tv/jakataktv



Could you share the multiplayer random layout for download that you made today :D


I could, but only left handed medium Random users for TheCore+ that use the QGMLWY typing layout would be able to use it. Also, even that layout is currently incomplete. Need to finish the seed files so we can use the remapper program in order to create the hundreds of variations we account for in the download section of TheCore.

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 00:31 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Are any professional players using this layout?

I know there are some very high ranking GM's like Neuro using this layout, but I'm curious if any players on pro teams are using The Core.


Neuro and PiG use TheCore and are on eXile 5 which is a professional team. Fenner also uses TheCore. StarNaN uses TheCore as well but has been inactive recently.

For Those of you looking to fully update your hotkeys. Here's the whole process:

https://youtu.be/EJG9bloyqTc

Its a long video, meant as a sort of play along that will help you update your hotkeys as you are doing it.



Any prerequisites to watching the video? Steps to take prior to watching it, I mean. I'm currently at work and I'm interested in learning to use The Core once I get home tonight.
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Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-17 22:41:16
November 17 2015 20:37 GMT
#7851
What will the core 3.0 achieve or optimize compared to the 2.0 version.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
Bumlebi
Profile Joined November 2015
1 Post
November 18 2015 00:15 GMT
#7852
Hello!
I just downloaded the zerg medium right 2.0 layout for nordic keyboards, but it seems like the ravager and corruptor spells are unbound. Which should I bind these to?
newo4110
Profile Joined November 2015
2 Posts
November 18 2015 01:50 GMT
#7853
@Bumlebi - The updated version of the Core that accounts for the new LOTV units, spells, and abilities is not yet complete. Jak is working on it right now.

You would have downloaded the one that is complete for HOTS. If you want to update it now to play LOTV, you can refer to Jak's video that is 2 posts prior to yours. Or, if you look at the original post on page 1, Jak has posted an edit at the very top about transitioning the hotkeys to LOTV.
SeCReTT
Profile Joined November 2015
31 Posts
November 18 2015 02:15 GMT
#7854
really interesting and helpfull for new players aswell
MassSpecd
Profile Joined November 2015
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-18 02:54:43
November 18 2015 02:52 GMT
#7855
On June 03 2012 06:50 JaKaTaKSc2 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
  1. Curiosity
      What is this 350 page thread on hotkeys? Hmm, looks interesting. I'll give it a try.


  2. Back to School
      So it turns out you have no natural talent. You don't naturally remember dozens of hotkeys. Your fingers don't naturally press the right thing. Your brain doesn't naturally remember the right thing in the first place. It turns out what got you to where you are now is practice. TheCore has robbed you of that practice, worse, it has robbed you of your illusion of natural talent.


  3. Don Music
      This is the muppet who would scream "I'll never get it" while banging his head repeatedly on the piano. The less said about this stage the better. You need know only the following: It will happen to you.


  4. Inflection Point
      You have been promised a carrot. Either you are the victim of a horrible practical joke or this will get better. And it does. You build your first few structures and units faster. Then your next few. Then the learning curve decreases. The buttons to change modes for Siege Tanks and Widow mines are the same, and your fingers remember. The buttons for casting Blink and Storm are the same as the buttons to research them and your fingers remember. The button for Zergling Speed is the same as the button for Hydralisk Speed, and your fingers remember.


  5. The Point of No Return
      You start to find new uses for Control Groups you thought would be useless. You react to drops and air harass with camera location keys that you thought you could never learn. You play for long hours and feel less tired. For fun, you try to play a game on your old hokey layout and realize that you'll never go back. You have reached the point of no return.



Great job putting this together and thank you to everyone that contributed. It has completely rewritten the way I play Starcraft! I've been playing casually since before BW always using the standard hotkey layout. Very early in my SC2 career I found this little gem and I don't think I'll ever play another RTS unless someone puts this much thought into the hotkey layout again.

The reason I quoted that section is I feel like the order for me and possibly many others was:
Curiousity
Back to School
The Point of No Return
Inflection Point
Don Music (Cameras, still can't get in the habit of using them and only occasionally set them up. Never make efficient use of all control groups but I'm sure many other people do not have 2+ harass control groups)

I don't ladder currently because having kids that could wake up at any moment makes it hard to ensure 20-30 minutes uninterrupted play time. To a parent, pause is God...

Anyway, thank you so much and I'm eagerly awaiting The Core 3. I've been tuning in to your twitch to figure out how to rearrange hotkeys for the new units so it's not such a change when the official version comes out. If anyone wants my .sc2hotkey file, its qwerty Righthand/Random/Medium (JIOP home keys) with most of the standard and campaign keys and some of the co-op keys updated for LotV, I would be happy to upload it somewhere

@Bumlebi - I use the global spreadsheet for 2.0 that you can find in the original post under Resources. From there you can pick your layout and figure out which keys are available then set manually
AcumenEgo
Profile Joined July 2012
United States7 Posts
November 18 2015 13:44 GMT
#7856
Hey there guys... JaKaTaKSc2. I am happy to see you are still offering support on these layouts. I don't know if you remember me... I was designing a do-it-yourself guild for customizable texturized hotkeys in order to allow gamers to find keys by feel, know keys by feel, and keep their eyes on the screen. Well either way, I am happy to see you are still working on the project. Keep up the good work!
Life gave me aces, but still my life's in peaces. No help from Jesus - what evil does still keep us? Where be Thales, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates? To the I pray!
Ashoka
Profile Joined November 2015
5 Posts
November 18 2015 14:53 GMT
#7857
I was thinking of downloading 2.0 and transitioning the hotkeys for protoss. Will 3.0 be that different that it'll make any transition obselete? I don't have any prior core experience but this seems awesome and I want to try it out.
Darkzephyr
Profile Joined January 2015
Canada10 Posts
November 20 2015 00:35 GMT
#7858
If anyone is looking to use a version of theCore (or close to the core, I have modified it over time with a lot of small things) based of off TRM 2.0 with campaign and co-op bound as per the video posted above, here is my version:



https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BylFtgd_-niRU2YxLWlBMVZiQ2c/view?usp=sharing

Kiaph
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
112 Posts
November 20 2015 07:16 GMT
#7859
You said to keep old version of the core instead of upgrading.

Will you be releasing a LOTV version of TRM 0.6.2 anytime soon?
alskgj
Profile Joined November 2015
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 11:51:40
November 20 2015 11:50 GMT
#7860
Have you seen the thread about the new functionality of the default alt key? url

How would you suggest incorperating this new feature into theCore 2.0? Any thoughts (I use alt at the moment to set camera hotkeys)?
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