EPTI completely skipped the hotkey trainer this time, playing real games in bronze league instead.
Keep up the good work!
[G] TheCore - Advanced Keyboard Layout - Page 360
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Desplice
Germany14 Posts
I completely skipped the hotkey trainer this time, playing real games in bronze league instead. Keep up the good work! | ||
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YoTcA
Germany151 Posts
 shift+; for a cam should prevent you from shift-queueing abilities that are bound to ; . Or have you relocated them? @Studlybob: Hey there and thanks a lot for volunteering to test the files. I just downloaded ZRM and it shows up fine within the game. So I will assume that there is a small misunderstanding somewhere within the process of setting up the hotkey file. First off, what do you mean by ‘I can't get any buttons (not even my mouse) to work’. Are they all unbound when loading the hotkey file, or are they not responding when trying to use them in a game? And have you tried to change some hotkeys within the game to check, if your keyboard is working correctly and accepted by SC2? Second: If you only want to help testing the hotkey files, you do not need python or any other files from github, despite the hotkey file you want to test. The python script is used to translate the hotkey files to the various keyboard layout. But as this is already done by JaK you will not need to do this yourself, unless you want to start your own branch of TheCore_Studlybob_style_layout .But now back to the main problem: I can think about a few problems that might prevent you from using the layout. 1. When downloading a layout from github you want to select the layout you want, then right click on ‘Raw’ in the upper right corner and select ‘save target as’. As you were able to select the file ingame, I will assume that you have done this correctly, but one never knows. 2. When changing the hotkey layout, you want to select the ‘standard’-layout first. This resets all the hotkeys and prevents some problems that otherwise occur. So you select standard – OK – thecore2.0 – OK to load the layout. 3. In which version of SC2 did you test the hotkey file (WOL or HOTS)? As we are trying to find errors, this might also be due to a wrong binding. I only loaded the file within HOTS, so if you are playing WOL, this might be a reason and a problem we need to fix. 4. Please make sure that your keyboard language did not change. The default hotkey in windows is Ctrl+Shift to change the layout. Usually there is an indicator in the task bar next to the clock that shows the layout. This should not affect your mouse buttons, but give it a try .5. Do you use any programs with global hotkeys that might interfere with SC2? As you are already using TheCore0.6 this sounds also unlikely, but maybe try to run SC2 with as few programs in the background as possible and see, if this solves the problem. I hope any of these will help you. Greetings. | ||
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Desplice
Germany14 Posts
In the 2.0 master spreadsheet it states that there are several alternate keys for select larvae, allowing the player to make a certain unit by simply pressing the corresponding key twice. In game only J and P seem to work to select larvae (using ZRM2.0), so only drones and zerglings can be made this way. Anyone know anything about this issue? | ||
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brook8128
Korea (South)66 Posts
creep = ; create cam 678 = ctrl - [ p view cam 678 = ctrl h m j TargetChoose = LeftMouseButton P J - [ H When I used last version, I just press ctrl - j = p j [ ; j ' but now I don't know how to spread creep well. ps. I think TargetChoose need ; key. | ||
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Studlybob
United States15 Posts
On November 06 2014 17:43 YoTcA wrote: But now back to the main problem: 2. When changing the hotkey layout, you want to select the ‘standard’-layout first. This resets all the hotkeys and prevents some problems that otherwise occur. So you select standard – OK – thecore2.0 – OK to load the layout. I hope any of these will help you. Greetings. It was #2! Switching to standard layout and then back to the Core 2.0 layout fixed the problem. Thanks so much! | ||
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Zoopher
Portugal12 Posts
Another thing, seeing that the new Core 2.0 was unofficially released and it contained some changes from the one I have, should I learn the new 2.0 or keep the old one? | ||
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trivialusername
4 Posts
I am a high diamond zerg player. I have always played with a standard layout and now decided to give TheCore a try. I downloaded TheCore 2.0 (btw I would suggest that you change the download section of your guide on first page - I downloaded a file with right click - save target as, it downloaded perfectly fine and I was able to select it from within SC2, however it did not work at all; I had to start reading and luckily there was a guy on last page with a similar problem. It turned out you had to left click on the file, open it, right click on "raw" and then save target as) I have a couple of questions, I hope not too stupid, since I am relatively new to the idea of TheCore. First of all, it seems to me that the layout is heavily centered around little finger usage. Why is that? It seems to me to be a good idea to improve little finger usage and give it more action, but why so much? I am pretty sure that there are some keys that are easily within reach of some of the other, generally stronger and better trained fingers, so why not use them? Secondly, somewhat related, I find it not too bad to slide your little finger down from J to N or M. I could not, however, possibly imagine how would one find it convenient to reach from J to Y - it is not possible to slide your finger to the Y key, nor is Y in the direction where the rest of the hotkeys are. Lastly, there are some hotkeys bound to the GRAVE key. I have four keyboards and all of them have their GRAVE key under the ESCAPE, to the left of the 1 key. Why would you need to reach to the other end of the keyboard to press GRAVE when there are some free keys? Thank you | ||
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YoTcA
Germany151 Posts
I actually do not know. ATM I do not have enough time to stay up to date with TheCore 2.0, so I created my own branch by copying the sheet to my personal storage and using this since (maybe 5 month ago). Basically I would give you the advice to look into the changes and balance the amount of time you need to learn these to the amount of time you could put into improving your play. So, if you really want to stay up to date, go for it. If you want to play the best you can in the shortest time, you mabe want to stay on your current hotkey layout. @trivalusername: Thanks for the suggestion. I hope Jak reads this when he comes back from blizzcon The little finger is used a lot, because it is very independent. (Try to move each of your fingers separately. You will find that your index and little finger are the most independent fingers. They move without any other finger moving.) Therfore they are used more often than the middle and ring finger. If you just started using TheCore, it will feel kind of strange, but you will get used to it .With the Y key, I think you are relating to the overlord speed upgrade. The key is used for this upgrade to avoid researching the upgrade on accident. If the hotkey was closer to the homerow you would be a lot more likely to press it by accident, when trying to build units when you are out of larva. So this is the reason all the hatch upgrades are on ‘bad keys’. And to your last comment: There are some keys that are not needed in the mp of SC2, so they are bound to the other side of the keyboard. It is also possible that there is an error in the ‘translation script’ that creates the various layouts. Could you please go into more detail on what keys are bound to GRAVE, so we can investigate this problem? And as always, thanks for your feedback  | ||
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McMatus
Austria17 Posts
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Ninjury_J
Canada408 Posts
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trivialusername
4 Posts
Actually, the hatchery upgrades are on G and B, and the Viper is on Y. As to the GRAVE - I have the baneling nest, the swarm host and the patrol move all on GRAVE. I just checked the German layout as well - it is very different from the English one and also has many things on GRAVE | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
Hey there I am a high diamond zerg player. I have always played with a standard layout and now decided to give TheCore a try. I downloaded TheCore 2.0 (btw I would suggest that you change the download section of your guide on first page - I downloaded a file with right click - save target as, it downloaded perfectly fine and I was able to select it from within SC2, however it did not work at all; I had to start reading and luckily there was a guy on last page with a similar problem. It turned out you had to left click on the file, open it, right click on "raw" and then save target as) I have a couple of questions, I hope not too stupid, since I am relatively new to the idea of TheCore. First of all, it seems to me that the layout is heavily centered around little finger usage. Why is that? It seems to me to be a good idea to improve little finger usage and give it more action, but why so much? I am pretty sure that there are some keys that are easily within reach of some of the other, generally stronger and better trained fingers, so why not use them? Secondly, somewhat related, I find it not too bad to slide your little finger down from J to N or M. I could not, however, possibly imagine how would one find it convenient to reach from J to Y - it is not possible to slide your finger to the Y key, nor is Y in the direction where the rest of the hotkeys are. Lastly, there are some hotkeys bound to the GRAVE key. I have four keyboards and all of them have their GRAVE key under the ESCAPE, to the left of the 1 key. Why would you need to reach to the other end of the keyboard to press GRAVE when there are some free keys? Thank you First off, thanks for the detailed review! I've bolded the sections i'll be referencing in order 1. Moved the DL system into dropbox. Muuuuuuuch easier, I wanted to keep the test size small to start and keeping the files on github does that. Looking back, it does it in a really shitty way (via frustration) and I don't think I'll be doing that again. I apologize for my mistake. 2. This is not the case. The layout is centered around an even distribution of the fingers (so much so that we look at frequencies of production and attempt to balance out the production of each building between the fingers). The reason why it may feel heavy on the pinky is likely that your pinky is untrained. The pinky (little finger) is connected to the strongest muscles in the hand/forearm and has more potential for strength, independence, and dexterity than the other 3. Take it slow and give it time, you will soon feel the power of the pinky 3. I'll assume you are talking about the ring finger here. That is also an option! We've all got different hands, always be open to adjusting from our suggestions to fit your individual anatomy better 4. This is a bug. Can you tell us exactly which file you have (ex TheCore 2.0 ZRM USQwerty), where you're from, and what language your keyboard is in? This is something that has come up before and I'm not 100% sure if we have a solution yet, but we can figure it out! On November 10 2014 01:54 McMatus wrote: Since LotV is coming out soon is it also possible to play the whole campaign with TheCore hotkeys? I've got a lot more ins at Blizzard than I did when HotS came out. I'm going to try really hard to get the campaign ahead of time so I can have TheCore ready for LotV campaign as soon as it is released. (no promises though) TheCore 2.0 files have been uploaded to Dropbox that should help We will be continuing to take in your feedback and adjust things accordingly. Things on the list of things to work on/investigate: creep spread camera sequence (Z) rapid fire on ; (Z) select larva alternates GRAVE bug | ||
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trivialusername
4 Posts
Thank you for your comments 3. I have my fingers as follows: thumb on the /; index on P; middle on O; ring on I; little finger on J; and I am trying to use the little finger on M, N, H, Y and U. However, I find the Y particularly hard to press with the little finger and even harder with the ring finger. If I try to do it with the ringer finger I have to move my entire hand so I think I am supposed to do it with the little finger. Still, I think there are other keys which are free and are more easily accessible than Y. 4. I am using Windows 7, I have the "Location" setting in the Region and Language menu set to Bulgaria. I am using US English International keyboard setting. I have downloaded the USqwerty, the UK and the German ZRM 2.0. I have tried the three versions of TheCore with German and UK English in-game text language (since I was not sure if it matters) and none of the combinations worked. (Jesus Christ, I have no two that match. I only have to mention that I have the in-game audio in Korean )\/ | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
On November 11 2014 03:23 trivialusername wrote: JaKaTaKSc2 Thank you for your comments 3. I have my fingers as follows: thumb on the /; index on P; middle on O; ring on I; little finger on J; and I am trying to use the little finger on M, N, H, Y and U. However, I find the Y particularly hard to press with the little finger and even harder with the ring finger. If I try to do it with the ringer finger I have to move my entire hand so I think I am supposed to do it with the little finger. Still, I think there are other keys which are free and are more easily accessible than Y. 4. I am using Windows 7, I have the "Location" setting in the Region and Language menu set to Bulgaria. I am using US English International keyboard setting. I have downloaded the USqwerty, the UK and the German ZRM 2.0. I have tried the three versions of TheCore with German and UK English in-game text language (since I was not sure if it matters) and none of the combinations worked. (Jesus Christ, I have no two that match. I only have to mention that I have the in-game audio in Korean )\/ Hmmm, I don't know why this is happening. 99% sure it is on our end and has to do with keyboard translation. Will try to get to it soon, but that'll be up to Beedebdoo and YoTcA as I am trying to save tutorial central right now. | ||
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trivialusername
4 Posts
I have another question and now I am not sure if this is how it is supposed to be or the problem I am having persists: The hotkeys for setting a camera location are set to Alt+key and jump to location are ctrl+shift+key. However, the key for creating the location and jumping to the location are different? Also, pressing Alt centers the camera at the last selected unit/building so I cannot create the camera locations. And lastly, when I tried changing the hotkey for creating a camera location it automatically adds Ctrl to the hotkey. What might be the problem? Also, where in the master spreadsheet can someone see what the hotkeys for v2.0 are? There are just so many sheets and none of them matched what I have | ||
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Kitsunesama21
United States21 Posts
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Studlybob
United States15 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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