On May 05 2012 00:28 TangSC wrote:
For the +1+1 7gate/immortal/warp prism, could you build the warp prism first to harass? If you sent it in the main to warp in a few zealots. Or even not warp in, just scramble to defend their main while you push their third.

absolutely

saer

40 Posts

May 05 2012 23:44 GMT

#62

Been playing some of these strats recently, although I don't have the timings completely perfect. My wins feel pretty effortless and my losses I just feel like I got crushed, are there responses that will just hold these 100% if the zerg is able to scout? Or can I win against most players simply with skill/forcefields etc if I perfect the timings?

belatube

United States27 Posts

May 06 2012 09:50 GMT

#63

nice post. but on the first VOD 2Gas +1 Zealot/Stalker-based 7 gate Your guide says cut once you have 33 probes 6 on gas 13x2 miniral line and 1 to drop proxy. in ur replay its evidence that you dont have enough minirals to sustain constant warpins. theres always 2 or 3 gateway available for warpins but you dont have the money too. I dont have access to Vines GSL vod but the HUK video you posted Huk doesnt stop cutting probes til he is @48 supply with 1 zealot 1 stalker 45 probes.

least amount of probes u can have to sustain full warp ins of 7 gate is 36 probes mining +1 for dropping proxy pylons. specially since you'll need more stalkers than you do zealots.

popados

United States7 Posts

May 06 2012 10:17 GMT

#64

I tend to favor 14 forge -> 17 nexus for safety reasons. Variations of these all ins have worked well for me so far going forge before nexus, and I'm curious as to the risk vs reward of nexus first. Cannon timings just seem way too slow to combat an early pool. Sometimes I barely stop an early pool rush with a 14 forge on smaller maps. How do you deal with this kind of scouting information when you're planning to Nexus first?

ps: I like this version of the immortal all in. Actually gave me some ideas to refine the way I go about it. Thanks.

.Enigma

United Kingdom116 Posts

May 06 2012 11:36 GMT

#65

On May 05 2012 00:12 TangSC wrote:

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I would love to see a Dark Templar opening into Archon/Speed Zealot All-in!

Would be nice to see Squirtle's DT into 7gate Blink (From his recent game against Nestea). I'm not sure anyone has done Chargelot-archon in PvZ for quite a while since 3 hatch roach is an incredibly strong counter.
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The 4-gate pressure > DT > 3rd base is one of my favourite PvZ builds since you're basically guaranteed to snipe one hatch and take a third safely.

Here is the outline to my (read: MC's) build if you are interested:

(FFE > 4 gate +1 as standard up to here)
~40 supply 3xGate (4)
~45-48 Twilight Council
~50 Double gas
Dark Shrine, +2 attack
(4G pressure here)
~65 3xGate
~70 Robo
Blink, +3 attack, Observer
~100 3rd base (7gate Robo, TC, DS)

Edit: Just found a game of him doing it against Nerchio. He actually gets a robo before the extra gates in this game but otherwise the build matches very closely with above:

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I can also give you the Genius Blink all-in (3 gas, no zealot pressure, pure stalker) and a 6-gate VR all-in if you are interested

Toons

Australia136 Posts

May 07 2012 22:57 GMT

#66

Great collection.
Have used your PvP phoenix build to revamp my love of PvP and fully understand the matchup & these will help a ton also.

Thanks heaps.

NoisyNinja

United States991 Posts

May 08 2012 02:09 GMT

#67

On May 01 2012 05:08 Mikelius wrote:

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Add Plexa and you'll have Koreans stealing their builds and strats!

Throw tang in there and you will have the most epic PvZ and ZvP guide in the world all in 1 thread

Alejandrisha

United States6565 Posts

July 18 2012 18:26 GMT

#68

here's a small variation on 7 gate zealot/stalker
it sacrifices +1 for a faster push, so your warp-ins will start faster, but your zealots won't be able to 2 shot lings.

skeleton build

9 pylon; scout
16 nexus
16 forge
17 gate
17 pylon
18 cannon
19 gas
20 core
24 2nd gas
26 zealot
@100% core, WG research
*30 - 2 probes in each gas
@100% zealot, stalker
*~34-35 when money allows, pylon
add 3 gates
add 2nd stalker or zealot
add 3 gates

try to cut probes around 34

**going to do the 4g +1 dt opener right now as well

Teoita

Italy12246 Posts

July 18 2012 18:29 GMT

#69

I have seen Mc (and Kiwikaki a looong time ago) going 8gate zealot/stalker while skipping +1 as well as the second gas for faster gates; it seems a bit better (easier to scout too though) since it can hit stupidly fast. I recall Kiwikaki warping in 8 units right when a 4gate pressure build can warp in 4....

Alejandrisha

United States6565 Posts

July 18 2012 18:54 GMT

#70

4G +1 --> dt/+2

(yt video should be up at 4:00 KST)

build

9 Pylon
16 Nexus
17 Forge
17 Gateway
17 Pylon
18 Cannon
20-22 gases
22-23 core
@100 gas start +1
@100 mins start zealot
@100% core, start WG research (4 CB)
@100% zealot, start stalker
~38, 3 gateways
add 2 gases
start TC
@100% WG research, transform gates + warp in 4 zealots
@100% TC, start DT shrine and +2

You should warp in total 6-8 zealots unless you determine you can do more damage with additional warp-ins

squeeze in a few sentries before your DT warp in, start a robo and a few more gates since you can support much more than 4 gates and a robo with your econ right now.
use your probe on the map to plant another hidden pylon for your DT warp in

darkwar

Germany2 Posts

July 18 2012 20:12 GMT

#71

Nice guid. I play in PvZ Forge FE after wall with forge, gate, core and canon behind this, i add robo. When Nexus finish I start first Immortal and add 3 up to 5 more gates. When I have 2 / 3 Immortal i go attack natural and warp in the 3rd of Zerg.

Can sb. tell me, if there is another build like this?

eugalp

United States203 Posts

July 18 2012 22:15 GMT

#72

On July 19 2012 03:29 Teoita wrote:
I have seen Mc (and Kiwikaki a looong time ago) going 8gate zealot/stalker while skipping +1 as well as the second gas for faster gates; it seems a bit better (easier to scout too though) since it can hit stupidly fast. I recall Kiwikaki warping in 8 units right when a 4gate pressure build can warp in 4....

Isn't that basically the same as Huk's 8 gate build?

Teoita

Italy12246 Posts

July 18 2012 22:33 GMT

#73

On July 19 2012 07:15 eugalp wrote:

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Isn't that basically the same as Huk's 8 gate build?

I'm not familiar with it, i guess so...it's just a specific variation fo a 7/8 gate. Here's a replay http://drop.sc/187502

eugalp

United States203 Posts

July 18 2012 23:45 GMT

#74

This is the old thread about Huk's 8 gate build.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315483

It hits very early and uses hardly any stalkers, mostly zealots.

chris5180

198 Posts

August 04 2012 16:59 GMT

#75

thank you for these :D

NihilisticGod

Northern Ireland174 Posts

August 04 2012 17:59 GMT

#76

awesome post, thanks!

mizU

United States12125 Posts

September 04 2012 01:19 GMT

#77

I saw HerO do the +1 4 gate zeal into 7 gate immortal sentry WP, and I've been using it on ladder ever since, but my build was super sloppy. (but I won still cuz FF op ;])

Thanks for this! :D