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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 19:10:04
April 30 2012 18:27 GMT
#1
PvZ: Small Timing Attack Thread

Outlining and doing some demonstration of the common 2 base all-ins in modern PvZ. Feel free to post comments, or link to VODs that show similar styles, or suggest similar timings that you would like me to outline.

For the sake of simplicity, we will assume standard 15 pool 16 hatch into 3 hatch before gas openers.

Enjoy!




4G +1 Into DT/+2






Build

    9 Pylon
    16 Nexus
    17 Forge
    17 Gateway
    17 Pylon
    18 Cannon
    20-22 gases*
    22-23 core*
    @100 gas start +1
    @100 mins start zealot
    @100% core, start WG research (4 CB)
    @100% zealot, start stalker
    ~38, 3 gateways
    add 2 gases
    start TC
    @100% WG research, transform gates + warp in 4 zealots
    @100% TC, start DT shrine and +2


*these will differ based on how much you CB probes before core

You should warp in total 6-8 zealots unless you determine you can do more damage with additional warp-ins

squeeze in a few sentries before your DT warp in, start a robo and a few more gates since you can support much more than 4 gates and a robo with your econ right now.
use your probe on the map to plant another hidden pylon for your DT warp in




2Gas +1 Zealot/Stalker-based 7 gate




This build and similar variants have been used by oGsVINES in the GSL
http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls2/vod/67146/?set=3&lang=

...and by EGHuK at Winter Arena
http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/82745-winter-arena-wr3-huk-vs-ret-g2

Build:
    9 Pylon
    17 Nexus
    17 Forge
    17 Gateway
    17 Pylon
    18 Cannon
    19/20 Gases
    21 Cybernetics Core


Start +1 with your first 100 gas, and WG research with your next 50 gas.

1 or 2 Zealots and 1 stalker before adding gates

~36-38 (depending on 1-2 zealots) add 6 gates, and plenty of pylons (up to 76 food seems optimal)

Cut probes here. You have 32.(6 on gas, 13 at each line. one leaves to proxy)

Engage after 3 rounds of warp-ins

Chronoboosts
    3 Before nexus
    1 on nexus after adding gases
    2 on Pre-WG gateway units
    3 on WG research
    Use banked CB on Warpgates



Note: It seems optimal to pull 1 probe from each geyser after starting WG research, or shortly thereafter




Here's a small variation on 7Gate Zealot/Stalker
It sacrifices +1 for a faster push, so your warp-ins will start faster, but your zealots won't be able to 2 shot lings.


Build:
    9 pylon; scout
    16 nexus
    16 forge
    17 gate
    17 pylon
    18 cannon
    19 gas
    20 core
    24 2nd gas
    26 zealot
    @100% core, WG research
    *30 - 2 probes in each gas
    @100% zealot, stalker
    *~34-35 when money allows, pylon
    add 3 gates
    add 2nd stalker or zealot
    add 3 gates

    try to cut probes around 34





4Gate +1 zealot pressure into +2 6gate blink stalker with obs



This is one of MC's go-to transition out of 4Gate +1 zealot, but I don't have a vod ready to show TT

Build:
    9 Pylon
    17 Nexus
    17 Forge
    17 Gateway
    17 Pylon
    18 Cannon
    19/20 Gases
    21 Cybernetics Core


Start +1 with your first 100 gas, and WG research with your next 50 gas.
1 or 2 Zealots and 1 stalker before adding gates

~38-40 (depending on 1-2 zealots) add 3 gates, a proxy pylon and 2 in-base pylons
resume probe production, add your twilight council, take your 2 additional gases and 2-3 more gates.

~46 warp in your 4 proxy zealots and add a robo.

When your TC finishes, start +2

After your 2nd zealot warp-in, start blink. Add four sentries with your next 4 WG cool downs. Start an observer and dump the rest of your resources and WG cool downs into additional Blink stalkers.

Cut probes at about 48-50

Go with +2 and blink.

Chronoboosts
    3 Before nexus
    2 on nexus after adding gases
    2 on Pre-WG gateway units
    3 on WG research
    1-2 on +2
    Use banked CB Warpgates





4Gate +1 Zealot into +1/+1 7Gate Immortal + WP



This build is used everywhere and by everyone.

Build
    9 Pylon
    17 Nexus
    17 Forge
    17 Gateway
    17 Pylon
    18 Cannon
    19/20 Gases
    21 Cybernetics Core


Start +1 with your first 100 gas, and WG research with your next 50 gas.
1 or 2 Zealots and 1 stalker before adding gates

~38-40 (depending on 1-2 zealots) add 3 gates, a proxy pylon and 2 in-base pylons
resume probe production, add your robo, take your 2 additional gases

~46 warp in your 4 proxy zealots

After your 2nd zealot warp-in, begin robo production and start +1 armor. This will be an observer, two immortals, and then a warp prism. You will be able to afford gates 5-7 while your observer is training.

I recommend going up to 8 sentries before switching over to pure stalker/zealot production (stalkers as gas allows, zealots as gas does not allow).

Cut probes at 48-50.

Go when your 2nd immortal is out.

Chronoboosts
    3 Before nexus
    2 on nexus after adding gases
    2 on Pre-WG gateway units
    3 on WG research
    0-1 on +1 armor; just make sure it's finished as 2nd immortal is leaving
    Use banked CB on robotics production and then Warpgates





2Gas +1 Zealot/Sentry-based 7 gate




oGsVINES used a timing similar to this in game 2 of the set mentioned earlier, but his got a few more probes out and went up to 4 gases (not exactly sure why, though O_O)

Build
    9 Pylon
    17 Nexus
    17 Forge
    17 Gateway
    17 Pylon
    18 Cannon
    19/20 Gases
    21 Cybernetics Core


Start +1 with your first 100 gas, and WG research with your next 50 gas.
1 Zealot, 1 stalker and 1 sentry before adding gates

38 add 6 gates, and plenty of pylons (up to 76 food seems optimal)

Cut probes here. You have 32.(6 on gas, 13 at each line. one leaves to proxy)

You can squeeze out an extra sentry here to charge up a little more energy that it would not have if you warped it in later.

Engage after 2-3 rounds of warp-ins. You'll have 6 senties, about 10 zealots and 3 stalkers.

Chronoboosts
    3 Before nexus
    1 on nexus after adding gases
    2 on Pre-WG gateway units
    3 on WG research
    Use banked CG on Warpgates
get rich or die mining
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
April 30 2012 18:29 GMT
#2
Wow, way to copy the build I copied from Vines and then told you about. Also, gogo skype.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
April 30 2012 18:31 GMT
#3
On May 01 2012 03:29 NrGmonk wrote:
Wow, way to copy the build I copied from Vines and then told you about. Also, gogo skype.

wtfz my gsl viewing is not dependent upon the whims of any man. also, ok coming
get rich or die mining
TL+ Member
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
April 30 2012 19:15 GMT
#4
I copied the VINES one too, but haven't ever done the others. Will probably read and copy to improve my arsenal. I'll probably then allin monk when he offraces me next

Thanks for cool thread alej.
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
April 30 2012 19:17 GMT
#5
You get on skype too in case you don't check your PMs either. We've got work to do.
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MountainGoat
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States507 Posts
April 30 2012 19:17 GMT
#6
Wow this looks cool. You always hear people talking about all the different Protoss all-ins but sometimes its hard to find cohesive guides for them. Thanks.
HoMM
Profile Joined July 2010
Estonia635 Posts
April 30 2012 19:20 GMT
#7
Thanks, I'll steal all of them for my PvZ. <3
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Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
April 30 2012 19:27 GMT
#8
On May 01 2012 04:17 NrGmonk wrote:
You get on skype too in case you don't check your PMs either. We've got work to do.


Ultimate toss guide in the making? :p
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
Bourne
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom152 Posts
April 30 2012 19:27 GMT
#9
Once, again you deliver, do you guys get paid to do these for us ? Many Thanks To all the blue posters making the strategy guides. Your 3 colussus vs 3 hatch build was nice enough, now this.

Thank You Thank You Thank You
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
April 30 2012 19:33 GMT
#10
On May 01 2012 04:27 Arcanefrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2012 04:17 NrGmonk wrote:
You get on skype too in case you don't check your PMs either. We've got work to do.


Ultimate toss guide in the making? :p


Protoss has best guide and blue posters on all of TL :D
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
April 30 2012 19:55 GMT
#11
On May 01 2012 04:33 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2012 04:27 Arcanefrost wrote:
On May 01 2012 04:17 NrGmonk wrote:
You get on skype too in case you don't check your PMs either. We've got work to do.


Ultimate toss guide in the making? :p


Protoss has best guide and blue posters on all of TL :D


by FAR.

love this guide too. my PvZ is cheesy as fuck and this will just help reinforce that.
:-)
InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
April 30 2012 20:02 GMT
#12
i like my imortal sentry allin with out pressure, rather faking pressure is better cause when you arrive later he will have more stuff. Assuming zerg is defending the 4 gate pressure like any mid master zerg (well)
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
April 30 2012 20:08 GMT
#13
On May 01 2012 04:27 Arcanefrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2012 04:17 NrGmonk wrote:
You get on skype too in case you don't check your PMs either. We've got work to do.


Ultimate toss guide in the making? :p


Add Plexa and you'll have Koreans stealing their builds and strats!
Less QQ, more PewPew
KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
April 30 2012 20:11 GMT
#14
I'm so jealous of the sick protoss guidance TL people have.
twoscomp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States42 Posts
April 30 2012 20:17 GMT
#15
Sick guides. Thank you blues.
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
April 30 2012 20:24 GMT
#16
Thanks for these, Alej.
Mercurial#1193
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
April 30 2012 20:25 GMT
#17
THX!!
MountainGoat
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States507 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-30 21:06:36
April 30 2012 21:02 GMT
#18
Again, sweet guide. It would be nice if you added some general tips about how to engage/ priorities when attacking though.

Also, how viable are these when the Zerg does something like two base roach infestor or two base muta?
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
April 30 2012 21:05 GMT
#19
Much love, thank you.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
April 30 2012 21:07 GMT
#20
It's almost unfair how awesome the resident blue-post protoss ballers are. Thanks again for yet another in a series of amazingly helpful threads!
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