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Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 14:12:28
April 22 2012 14:06 GMT
#601
@Tppz : the fact is that i stopped streaming due to the fact i was struggling to focus on my play AND on comments. so im talking about VOD's after games here, but i realized while recording the first one that even in this case, while commenting without playing, i stll struggle to find some word . Thats why i ask if people are ok with hearing my accents ( meaning they accept the fact that it may be impossible to understand :D) or if they prefer subtitles ( which will reduce the number of VOD's as ill need more editing)

@DontLoseSighOtIf : well, i guess that's because watching a replay do not tell you what is going through a player's head, you can try to understand what he's doing but it's impossible to have every "data" he does have/use to make some decisions, while VOD's allows to explain everything

edit : dont forget to check the poll last page
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Dragonspear
Profile Joined April 2011
United States28 Posts
April 22 2012 15:26 GMT
#602
Re: MKP v Huk replay: It will be available for free a week from Monday for everyone who did not buy a pass for Spring Arena 1. If you did buy a pass for Spring Arena 1 then it is already available for you to watch.

Re Lyyna and your accent: Remember the more often that someone hear's an accent the more they get used to it. I also think (as a proper arrogant american) that you will reach a larger overall audience by doing the main commentary in English since most people speak English as a second language at this point. I also think that subtitles would distract me from paying attention on the game.

Now to post a question about Ghostless Mech that was mentioned a few pages ago. Does the ghostless mech only really apply for that 150-160 supply push? Because when I reach the late game situations going ghostless with mech I just watch feedback and storm tear apart my armies.

Furthermore if I do end up getting ghosts but getting a relatively low number (2-3), if I can't get into a position to get a nice emp off when I'm pushing up offensively should I just EMP my thors/bcs at that point? I realize that normally the answer is no, but I'm questioning if eating the storm late game on a bunch of BCs/tanks and a few Thors is better than eating all the feedbacks on such high energy units. I just seem to have problems getting ghosts into position to snipe or emp HTs and making sure they land before my ghosts die.
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Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
April 23 2012 08:25 GMT
#603
Yeah i know most people will get used to it, but i wanted to be sure of what most people prefer
I'll (re)record the first VOD tonight and try to upload it tomorrow guys !

About ghostless : i try to add ghosts as late as possible. Basically its totally ok to go ghostless even in lategame (you can see it occur in some of crocodile's replays some pages ago ,and in some of mine as well) but ofc its better to add them when you see your opponent is starting to mass HT .But its ok even without that( in the last replay pack you can see a ghostless army handling a huge army of nearly pure archon/HT, and in the replay ill cast, youll see that you can still trade well even when getting storm-carpet'd. And in fact adding ghosts do not mean there will be no storm, imo ghosts are here more for their ability to do "instant damage" to your whole opponent army in a few spells.

Personnally i never EMP my own units. I prefer to get all my BC feedback'ed , sitting there with half life but never dying due to repair/PDD/etc, rather than 10 storms,each eating 2 BC, 2 Ravens and 1 thor due to the fact your air will be above your mech and will makes storms insanely effective
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 09:01:35
April 23 2012 08:45 GMT
#604
accent is fine, please don't worry about subs! even when i stream i can find trouble finding the right words


Looking forward to more streaming/VODs/replays/content/text ^^


Wait! MKP used mech again? was it that 3-4 factory push with marine tank hellion? If so, hurray. I would like as many replays/VODs of that to study as possible xD

dang a week longer? at least we'll get it though

Question, i searched MKP mech and i could not find anything after 5 mins in the spring arena threads -.-; no one's talking about it???

Edit: Oh, nvm found the comments :D. Darn as I suspected, he did it in a game that "didn't matter". But still cool to see. Apparently he went double reactor BFH? and he did this at last MLG vs whitera too? time to check it out :D
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 17:20:37
April 24 2012 17:19 GMT
#605
New replays uploaded. Sorry for the low amount of replays . . forgot to save a lot of the games i did while trying to get to GM (like some games versus Slavik or monchi for example T_T)
Having problem with the vod's upload, failing without reason. Will try again during the night
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Rizla6
Profile Joined December 2011
Italy4 Posts
April 25 2012 07:55 GMT
#606
I'd like to see where he is defeated repley to better understand the situations in which the mech is weak
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
April 25 2012 08:06 GMT
#607
On April 25 2012 16:55 Rizla6 wrote:
I'd like to see where he is defeated repley to better understand the situations in which the mech is weak


Good point. are there any games of you loosing in your replay pack Monsieur Lynna?
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
April 25 2012 08:53 GMT
#608
I love this strat so much. I rarely play 1v1 anymore because I'm not interested in playing serious with hard micro i.e. MMM v protoss - but thought mech was not viable vs protoss at a high level, until i tried this. great strat i play 1v1 every now and then now and have great fun v toss thankyou lynna
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 08:58:28
April 25 2012 08:57 GMT
#609
First VOD up : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqd55p_lyyna-vod-001-tvp-mech_videogames
Not really focused on commentary for this one, here more to allows me to check technical stuff (for example i know now that uploading on youtube fails every time i try it T_T And thats why ill go on dailymotion). Ill try to do the next VOD today or tomorrow, with
-Better quality
-Better commentary (wasnt really focused on it for this one)

Ill try to save my loss now if i get some interesting ones. But most of my loss versus protoss are basically badly scouted allins

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Yngvi
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands70 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 15:07:19
April 25 2012 15:05 GMT
#610
THAnks for the vod mate, helped me out with the 'counterattack' timing a lot! Please make more of them.
Rizla6
Profile Joined December 2011
Italy4 Posts
April 25 2012 21:08 GMT
#611
This is my first game only mech style vs toss

http://drop.sc/167180
Gyro_SC2
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 01:11:23
April 26 2012 01:11 GMT
#612
I need help. How do you stop a collosus timing push with mech ? 13min 3 collosus with range.

http://drop.sc/167271

btw good vod !
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
April 26 2012 12:35 GMT
#613
1. What opener was that? You looked like you were doing the mech push MKP and others have been doing but you added a Starport and started going for cloaked banshees at 12 minutes? Very suboptimal build order.
2. You moved out at a random time, lost some units to colossi, and then backed up. This put you a bit behind.
3. You sieged up all your tanks outside of your bunkers at your natural so when the Protoss attacked, the first thing he could do was take out your tanks.

Honestly, aside from everything else that went wrong in this game, you would have been fine if you just positioned your tanks better when he attacked and it would have been even better for you if you had been producing vikings from your starport. Keep your tanks behind something in your base, which is hard on Metalopolis I'll admit.

Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 16:50:50
April 26 2012 16:50 GMT
#614
After having played mech a lot it baffles me how weak it is in a straight up fight. If you are maxed out on Tank/Hellions you can still be a-moved over by Archon/Zealot/Collossus.

I find that MMM into MMM/BC so much stronger, nothing that the Protoss builds can just a-move over your army.
mieke
Profile Joined August 2010
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 17:11:17
April 26 2012 17:11 GMT
#615
The question I've always had about the mech play style is, how do you deal with situations where your opponent abuses your mech immobility? Like how do you deal with drops, air harass, run-bys, etc, if your army is very slow?
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
April 26 2012 17:24 GMT
#616
Mock Hamill: that's why you don't max on tank/hellion. That's just a bad idea. When I'm maxed with mech I have 10+ tanks, at least 6 thors, a dozen or so hellions, and either 8-10 banshees or 3-5 BCs, as well as supporting ravens, ghosts, and vikings in varying quantities.

Mieke: there are plenty of replays in this thread of people defending various sorts of mobility-based protoss play. Warp prisms+dts+blink stalkers are not cost effective enough if you defend well. Hellions, vikings, planetaries, and sensor towers are really good at dealing with warp prisms and dt/chargelot, and while blink stalkers are tough, they're so expensive and to do any significant damage with them you have to commit very hard to a unit that is REALLY bad vs siege tanks in a straight up fight.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
Evenfl0w
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom16 Posts
April 26 2012 18:34 GMT
#617
Great vod Lyyna, really enjoyed it!
Learned a lot about how to find where the protoss army is at any point in time, nice tips.
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 22:15:06
April 26 2012 22:09 GMT
#618
@Gyro : crocodile's analysis is good, i agree with him on every point

@Rizla :
12 min : you end up with a lots of minerals because you got no reactor on factories. You NEED these reactors critically (basically 3 TL fact, 1 react if ghostmech, 3 TL 2 react if ghostless if double up), hellions are really important! Especially because you cant get thors on 5 TL fact out of 2 bases. . . and youre also going double upp and ghosts and starport. Too much on 2 bases !
15 min : Idle armories for a long time
18 30 : You dont have any map presence. You never had some. You need to be active on his side of the map with hellions/banshees, and you need to have sensor towers in your base. Youre moving all your army to deflect harass and thats really dangerous without vision on his army !
19 min 30 : the fight went well for you , but having vikings instead of banshees makes it harder to deal a lot of damage and hold his reprod

The overall game is good, but you need to work on map control. Agressive, with hellions and banshees,defensive with sensor towers. This allows you to avoid some big mech problems, mainly getting caught by surprise unsieged, spotting counter attacks, and harass. Also i dont like your focus on vikings, banshees are better with mech imo

@MockHamill : you are the exact kind of people i'm often mocking due to their funny vision of mech. The kind of people who thinks mech is getting tanks, hellions,and randomly A moving / sieging in the middle of the map.
Read my guide again please. Is it about tank/hellions? Oh wait . . it is about TankThorHellionBanshee(Ghost) Into (Ghost)BCRavenThorTankHellion. Far from "tank/hellion" , right?
I'll basically assume your post is a bad troll

@mieke : i talked about it every 5 pages of the thread, search a bit for complete answer (or wait tomorrow, ill add it in the guide in the questions section), but basically, sensor towers, "pokes" with your fast units, and abuse of macro orbitals/ mass scan.




General : Too tired for 2nd VOD tonight, will do it tomorrow. Also, 3rd one will probably be about TvZ.
Next replays pack is going to be delayed a lot, as im not really playing these days (little lack of motivation due to the fact i missed GM . . TT)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
sUriNE
Profile Joined April 2012
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:40:07
April 27 2012 21:27 GMT
#619
Been trying YOUR style and by far I've never won so many times in my life in great succession. Winning 10+ games in a row? Yeah never happened with MMM style. Funny thing is, I'm like 60% on trying to get use to your build and even with 60% and with mistakes I make, I still destroy people. Hah
Armored and Ready
sUriNE
Profile Joined April 2012
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-27 21:42:53
April 27 2012 21:27 GMT
#620
Lyyna you rule bro.
One note, check your PM Lyyna. I'd appreciate it :D
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